Kylian Mbappe | PSG
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Ok, so you can’t name another teenager that did what he did (besides the obvious one). Why do you think that no other teenager has managed (for example) to score in a World Cup final (by far the biggest game in football) in the entire 90 year history of the competition? Coincidence? Or maybe there’s something more about him and his ability than you realise?
I meant other than Pele obviously. Owen did very well, but not to the level of Mbappe.
erm, once again. Pele did that also.
I think he managed not because he was for example better than Messi, Rooney or Ronaldo at that age, but because he played for an incredible side and through that was given an opportunity 99.9% of teenagers never have.
Difference with Owen was that despite being the best player on the park vs Argentina and winning a pen/scoring a wondergoal and scoring a stunning pen, his side didn’t get him to a final.
Nar, Owen was every bit as incredible as Mbappe, just Mbappe played for a better side.
Relax, I'm just arguing my opinion. No need to get offended. If you want to argue that Mbappe was the best 17/18 year old since R9, you might have a point - at least regarding end product since Messi was also unplayable at 18. Mbappe also proved it at a WC, although I don't think he was anywhere near player of the tournament levels of good. Anyway, being better doesn't mean being more talented or having a higher ceiling. That's my whole point. Lukaku was better at 18 than Lewandowski or Kane were, doesn't mean he was more talented or had a higher ceiling. Haaland is a similar case, even more so than Mbappe if you ask me.
The question should always be "how can they improve further?" And if the answer to this is "he has to become more composed and improve his decision making" then it's something that the player can still accomplish aged 25. But if the answer goes "he already is very composed and has great decision making, but he needs to work on his technique" then it gets difficult because these things are developed during the childhood and teen years primarily.
Owen scored 2 goals to Mbappe’s four, and Mbappe is the only teenager to score two in one game (other than Pele) and to score in the final (other than Pele). It’s not comparable, though I give credit to Owen. His impact was really about one amazing effort.
Mbappe has all the qualities to be the standout player of his and the next generation. But this cannot be called into practice until it actually happens. He had a fantastic world cup but one tournament alone is not enough of a merit to immediately discern he will be greater than the two greatest players of recent times.
There's one word that defines greatness and it's consistency. Consistency is the only imperial in measuring the aspects of greatness in sport there's no two ways about it. For all we know Mbappe could potentially do a De Gea and fizzle out due to an array of things. Just as likely he could potentially reach a higher level then what we have presently witnessed. Only time will tell, but his next career move will be a huge decider because playing in France doesn't hold enough credibility (even though I think the league is good), he needs a major domestic scene and persistent performances.
This is the problem with Mbappe. People need to get away from him as a teenager, it has little regard for what he is today. It seems as if better teams have figured out how to play him the more they watch him. Hes turning 23 this season and he is regressing as a player.
I’m perfectly relaxed
Needs to get out of the semi-pro French league. There's a ceiling when you're playing in that league.
PSG would have won the league comfortably last season if they were bothered about it. It's just a distraction to their CL matches and an injury risk. Like what pre-season friendlies are before a World Cup.
PSG would have won the league comfortably last season if they were bothered about it. It's just a distraction to their CL matches and an injury risk. Like what pre-season friendlies are before a World Cup.
Player development is not linear, just because a player did so well as a teenager doesn't mean he will grow at the same expected pace.
He is already a great player but people overrate him too much when they come up with "He is already better than Henry".
He is already a great player but people overrate him too much when they come up with "He is already better than Henry".
Agree that he has to leave but that's a bit much.
With respect, please try and keep up, I know exactly what Pele did and didn’t do, I’m saying ‘apart from him’ every time I ask a question like that because we all know what Pele did in 58.
So no quality teenager has ever played for a team as good as this France side? I think a quick look at history will prove you wrong there. I mean, even Messi himself arguably played for a side as strong as this French team in 2006. And no Messi stans, that doesn’t mean that I think Mbappe is better than Messi….
I never said that and I wouldn’t agree with anyone who did
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France played 3 more games than Owen’s England is what you’re missing. Much of that due simply to Mbappe playing in a much superior side than the one Owen played in.
Owen scored half the goals of Mbappe + a pen in just 3 games compared to Mbappe’s 7.
Who knows what Owen could have managed if Becks hadn’t stupidly got himself sent off.
Sometimes it’s not only about the player, it’s about the opportunities his team presents him with.
You’re saying that after I educated you, before I did, there was no mention of Pele or “the obvious one”, you simply asked what other teenager had a WC like Mbappe, “name just one” was your request.
So please don’t try that bollox.
Reminds me of a young Hamilton Ricard
Yes he did a great achievement as a teenager in the world cup, something the vast majority just don't get the chance to for one reason or another. And he's a fantastic player. He's just not Ronaldo or Messi and that's fine. Ronaldo and Messi by his age had the 2 best sides in the world built entirely around them as players. They were already the top 3 best players in the world and Mbappe next season would be equivalent to Ronaldo in 07/08 winning the Ballon d'Or and the CL. PSG isn't in an elite league, they aren't one of the 3 best teams in the world and you could argue they're more built around Neymar when he isn't injured rather than Mbappe. For France, Benzema and Pogba were easily the main players these Euros with how important they were on the pitch, not just because Mbappe had a personally bad tournament, but because everyone just went to those 2 to do something out of nothing, not Mbappe.
Like others have said - Mbappe is probably a Henry tier talent IMO. Maybe even he will become a bit ahead of that. That's still not Ronaldo or Messi tier so we need to stop the craziness.
Feel free to reach out when Mbappe has 5 Ballon d'Ors, 14 appearances in the world 11, 12 times in the top 3 for the Ballon d'Or, has scored 50+ goals in 6 consecutive seasons, has 5 champions league titles, is the all time top scorer in European competitions, is the all time top scorer in international football, and surpasses all of the other countless incredible records that Ronaldo and Messi own.
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even Messi himself arguably played for a side as strong as this French team in 2006. And no Messi stans, that doesn’t mean that I think Mbappe is better than Messi….
Messi was utterly and stupidly fecked over and benched in 2006 repeatedly despite lighting the place up every time he came on the pitch.
What you’ve unveiled there is an example of why most teenagers don’t get the chances Mbappe did.
Fair, but there’s been a lot of very good teams and very good teenagers in those teams over the years. What Mbappe did is pretty unique and I think it speaks to the fact that he is a special player. He’ll bounce back next season in a big way and I think he’ll become the world’s best player at Madrid if he goes there
Mbappe could easily win the Ballon D’Or and the CL next season. That’s not beyond him at all
Outside of PSG, I struggle to name anyone who plays there. I know Camdavinga purely because of the United links and his FIFA potential.
Now Memphis has left, i couldn't name one Lyon player. Nobody from Monaco. Botman from Lille I know.
And as an example, how many players from the French league are playing in the Euros? Genuine question. If they are there, i don't know them.
If Mbappe is just a pace merchant, then he is the only pace merchant in football who actually knows how to abuse his pace. He is still by far the most devastating attacker in football (apart from Ronaldo) in terms of movement and finding spaces.
Just watched some of his goals from world cup. None of this playing from the left, trying to cut inside non-sense. What has happened to this guy?
Try looking back at some of my earlier posts please and stop being ridiculous
Sure, ok….
How many teenagers have scored in an FA Cup final? Pulisic is like the 3rd youngest or something ridiculous and he wasn’t a teen, what does it really mean? Mainly that not many young players get that chance.
Of course Mbappe is special, but not because he scored in a WC final at a young age.
Nearly 50 goals this season (and 8 in the Champions League) would suggest that you are correct. He is of course not a ‘pace merchant’ though, that’s a lazy designation applied by 13 year olds on Twitter.
I remember reading a post from a PSG fan some time ago saying that most people in Paris consider Neymar to be easily the superior player over Mbappe.
Most of the negative comments here are probably just people who don't watch him often, got sold the hype, overrated him using their own parameters, and subsequently felt let down by his performances at the Euros.
Most of the negative comments here are probably just people who don't watch him often, got sold the hype, overrated him using their own parameters, and subsequently felt let down by his performances at the Euros.
Edited the post. Feel free to reach out when Mbappe has 5-6 Ballon D'Ors (not even taking into account that Ronaldo and Messi have 5-6 each after dominating for so long but had to share the success, while no other generation had a pair like that ever), 5 CL titles, is the top CL scorer of all time and top international scorer of all time and overtakes all those other crazy records that Ronaldo and Messi have. I'm skeptical that he's going to break all of their records though. If he does match them, then fair enough. But I'm not holding my breath on those going down any time soon.
If you gave me a choice between a World Cup win and 5 CL titles, I’d take the World Cup. And there’s no guarantee that Mbappe won’t win more World Cups
I didn't say you did, it was posted few weeks/months ago.
I didn't think I quoted you, it was just a generic post.
I watch him a lot. Neymar is better (their attack runs through him) but he is much further along in his development. 22 year old Neymar v 22 year old Mbappe is an entirely different story
Yeah I know you weren’t accusing me specifically of saying that, I was just pointing out that I don’t agree with that assertion as it is disrespectful to Henry. If you want to make a comparison of them at the same age then that’s fair, but not Henry’s whole career v Mbappe right now.
As a player for their individual preference, sure! When debating who is the greatest of all time, definitely not.
That's not really true. Neymar had a great season in 14/15, he was just overshadowed by Suarez and Messi who were out of this world. Put Mbappe in that team for that season and he will probably look worse.
Don't make me get Thierry Henry YouTube compilation out. Don't test me, you know I'll do it.
Okay I did it.
For Mbappe to reach Henry's level, he needs to step the feck up and do it in a big, big way.
Okay I did it.
For Mbappe to reach Henry's level, he needs to step the feck up and do it in a big, big way.