Kylian Mbappé | Real Madrid watch

At least he has a great view of Vini being a much better player.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He’s better than Vinicius and should come to us to prove it.
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No way. He's obviously incredibly talented but he's a moments player and doesn't do it in, in terms of work rate, for a full 90.

Madrid are of course enormously struggling with the absence of Kroos and ageing of Modric, any club would, but Mbappe wasn't the solution.
 
Mbappé lacks confidence, the ball seems to burn at his feet, he misses easy passes. I thought that with two World Cups, a title and 25 years of age, he would have matured enough not to be overwhelmed by bad phases. The problem isn't that he's playing badly, but that he seems to be affected psychologically
 
al.gabiru said:
Mbappé lacks confidence, the ball seems to burn at his feet, he misses easy passes. I thought that with two World Cups, a title and 25 years of age, he would have matured enough not to be overwhelmed by bad phases. The problem isn't that he's playing badly, but that he seems to be affected psychologically
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He’s been there four months. He still might not be overwhelmed but just going through a phase where he is figuring out how to play in a new league and with new players and tactics.

Calm down everyone with the conclusions. I know some people here are salivating at the thought of him failing hard and eager to take these early signs as conclusive evidence but he’s not quite ‘failed’ yet.
 
AndersB said:
We are entering into some serious revisionism territory here
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Not really.
As a french, ive seen him play a lot both on TV and at the stadium, and Ive always thought the same about him.

He has a scary pace, incredible shooting technique, but he thrives in specific conditions. He needs to be on the left flank and have space in front of him.

He has a tendency to get into crowded places to touch the ball instead of trying decoy runs or even real runs for his teammates.

Being the big fish in the small Ligue 1 pond also meant he didn’t have much incentive to really improve his overall game.
Hes still lethal when he bursts from the side, but not as a 9
 
Kevin said:
He’s been there four months. He still might not be overwhelmed but just going through a phase where he is figuring out how to play in a new league and with new players and tactics.

Calm down everyone with the conclusions. I know some people here are salivating at the thought of him failing hard and eager to take these early signs as conclusive evidence but he’s not quite ‘failed’ yet.
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Yeah, Ronaldo didn't necessarily set the world on fire when he joined Madrid. If Mbappe has that self belief and mental strength he'll bounce back. I mean even if he doesn't end up being the best in the world type of player, he's definitely much better than what we're seeing from him now. It's a very challenging time for him because Vini isn't leaving his spot anytime soon, so not only does he need to find some resilience, he needs to adapt to playing in different positions.

I wouldn't bet against him, but I won't be surprised if he fails there either. The Madrid fans aren't known for their patience.
 
guilhermebastile said:
Was Thomas Muller seen that way in 2014? He had 10 goals and 6 assists in 13 WC games, and that despite not being the goalscoring focal point of his team(in his first WC, Mbappé had a closer role to Muller, to be fair). He got 30-40 goals plus assists in all of his seasons during that interval, which is not as impressive as Mbappé's 50-60(Muller's numbers were more impressive at that time, since only Messi and CR7 had these astronomical numbers), but the German was mainly a playmaker and, foremost, the epitome of the team player, which the French...is not(yeah, it's not a very "saleable" attribute, but give the man his due). Also, Muller won a UCL, being instrumental for his team.
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Muller was a good player but Mbappé is a much better player, doesn’t really go much deeper than that.
 
Someone said:
Yeah, Ronaldo didn't necessarily set the world on fire when he joined Madrid. If Mbappe has that self belief and mental strength he'll bounce back. I mean even if he doesn't end up being the best in the world type of player, he's definitely much better than what we're seeing from him now. It's a very challenging time for him because Vini isn't leaving his spot anytime soon, so not only does he need to find some resilience, he needs to adapt to playing in different positions.

I wouldn't bet against him, but I won't be surprised if he fails there either. The Madrid fans aren't known for their patience.
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Ronaldo didnt set the world on fire when he joined Real Madrid? What?

Cristiano of Fenomeno?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He’s better than Vinicius and should come to us to prove it.
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He could’ve been better than Vinicius but the PSG move has ruined him. When he broke through, he was such an insane talent. He looked the most exciting prospect since Messi and Cristiano. By far. But all that time at PSG created a monster. He played for far too long in a league that was beneath his talent, at a time when he was still developing as a player. He learned to play within himself, he was never stretched to become better. And he had everything his own way. He ran the team. He was overindulged to the point of PSG being a figure of ridicule. Now he’s moved to a big club. The biggest club. In a much better league, and he looks half the player. It’ll take him at least a season to get used to consistently competing under such scrutiny and against tougher defences. He moved about three years too late. There are so many bad habits to beat out of him, and the Madrid fans are going to be on his back. He has such a shit, spoiled brat temperament because of his PSG years, that this is a huge shock to the system.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him come good for Madrid, but I equally wouldn’t be surprised to see him leave next summer or the summer after.
 
I noticed Mbappe is struggling in CF at Madrid and seems unlikely to get many opportunities in his preferred LW position while Vini Jr is there. This could be our chance to make a move for him in the summer?
 
Hammondo said:
yet to be proven.
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If Mbappé retired today, he would be considered arguably the best player in Ligue 1 history, scored a hat-trick in a WC final, most goals in World Cup finals, more goals than Muller at a far better scoring rate at the WC (0.86 vs 0.53). He was top 3 in the Ballon d'Or, Muller was never close, as well lots of top 10 placings. 4 times on World XI of the year, Muller was never on it. There's your proof.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
If Mbappé retired today, he would be considered arguably the best player in Ligue 1 history, scored a hat-trick in a WC final, most goals in World Cup finals, more goals than Muller at a far better scoring rate at the WC (0.86 vs 0.53). He was top 3 in the Ballon d'Or, Muller was never close, as well lots of top 10 placings. 4 times on World XI of the year, Muller was never on it. There's your proof.
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I'm not exactly sure that is proof, have you seen what Muller has accomplished? He's done more.
 
Hammondo said:
I'm not exactly sure that is proof, have you seen what Muller has accomplished? He's done more.
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It's not even close for individual accolades though and Mbappé is 10 years younger. Mbappé has more goals for France already. Muller has achieved a lot and has been a fine player but they're not operating on the same levels of expectation. Muller can go in and out of the Bayern team, go some years scoring single digit goals and not be good for a few months and come back into form without major scrutiny, Mbappé can't do that because he's expected to be the main man, whereas Muller is expected to be a secondary player. Which is fine and works for the team, but you don't spend 150 million on Muller.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
If Mbappé retired today, he would be considered arguably the best player in Ligue 1 history, scored a hat-trick in a WC final, most goals in World Cup finals, more goals than Muller at a far better scoring rate at the WC (0.86 vs 0.53). He was top 3 in the Ballon d'Or, Muller was never close, as well lots of top 10 placings. 4 times on World XI of the year, Muller was never on it. There's your proof.
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Not exactly a top-level league to use as part of an argument. Ligue 1 has always been a 2nd rate league. It has only been viewed higher since PSG were bought by billionaires.


Serie A has Platini, Maradona, Baggio, Zidane, Maldini

Bundesliga has Gerd Muller, Beckenbauer.

La Liga has Di Stefano, Gento, Zidane, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, R9, Messi, Cristiano.

PL/Div 1 has Best, Charlton.

Eredivisie has Cruyff, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Gullit, Koeman.

Liga Portugal has Eusebio.


It is easier for Mbappe to be seen as the greatest of all time in the league when the greatest Ligue 1 players of all time are not as good as the other top leagues.

Ligue 1 has Papin, Kopa, Fontaine. Yes, they are great players, but not on the same level (no disrespect) as Maradona, Platini, Beckenbauer, Di Stefano, Messi, Best, Cruyff, Eusebio.

So Mbappe has less all-time great level players to compete with.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
It's not even close for individual accolades though and Mbappé is 10 years younger. Mbappé has more goals for France already. Muller has achieved a lot and has been a fine player but they're not operating on the same levels of expectation. Muller can go in and out of the Bayern team, go some years scoring single digit goals and not be good for a few months and come back into form without major scrutiny, Mbappé can't do that because he's expected to be the main man, whereas Muller is expected to be a secondary player. Which is fine and works for the team, but you don't spend 150 million on Muller.
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So what you are saying is, PSG was built around Mbappe, with Messi and Neymar creating for him, in a farmers league, and he did better individually. Shocker. Not that I would expect Muller to do better, but it's a crazy way to compare two players.

PSG has been seen as a total failure since they spent so much, had such amazing players, and basically did nothing. There is a thread on it in these forums. Then he goes to Real Madrid and though early days, so far massively under performing.

Absolutely you don't spent 150m on Muller, but you shouldn't on Mbappe either.
 
Hammondo said:
So what you are saying is, PSG was built around Mbappe, with Messi and Neymar creating for him, in a farmers league, and he did better individually. Shocker. Not that I would expect Muller to do better, but it's a crazy way to compare two players.

PSG has been seen as a total failure since they spent so much, had such amazing players, and basically did nothing. There is a thread on it in these forums. Then he goes to Real Madrid and though early days, so far massively under performing.

Absolutely you don't spent 150m on Muller, but you shouldn't on Mbappe either.
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Nope he clearly it's not saying that.

Basicly as great as Muller was and is, it's an entirely diff specimen of player, so it's kind of an odd comparison. Muller is a VERY intelligent fella that even talented, he always knew his limitations and because of that he was the great majority of time maximizing his talent, becoming a great player with lots of titles under his belt.

Yet even with players like Iniesta, more talented, more capable of creating on his own and equally successful as Muller, we fans tend to be more forgiving, to think of them like almost always playing great or good and we aren't as nitpicking as we can be with players with the characteristics (and expectations) of an Mbappe.

And I'm not here defending Kiki, or bashing Muller, far form that, but more or less what Keano was pointing out it's that it's an odd comparison, between two very very different players.
 
Fobal said:
Nope he clearly it's not saying that.

Basicly as great as Muller was and is, it's an entirely diff specimen of player, so it's kind of an odd comparison. Muller is a VERY intelligent fella that even talented, he always knew his limitations and because of that he was the great majority of time maximizing his talent, becoming a great player with lots of titles under his belt.

Yet even with players like Iniesta, more talented, more capable of creating on his own and equally successful as Muller, we fans tend to be more forgiving, to think of them like almost always playing great or good and we aren't as nitpicking as we can be with players with the characteristics (and expectations) of an Mbappe.

And I'm not here defending Kiki, or bashing Muller, far form that, but more or less what Keano was pointing out it's that it's an odd comparison, between two very very different players.
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I don't think it's that simple, Muller gets less criticism when he plays badly because he worked harder and is less selfish. Mbappe does 1 thing for his team, goals. If he's not doing that he's not doing anything of benefit (within reason), that is not true with a player like Muller.
 
Hammondo said:
So what you are saying is, PSG was built around Mbappe, with Messi and Neymar creating for him, in a farmers league, and he did better individually. Shocker. Not that I would expect Muller to do better, but it's a crazy way to compare two players.

PSG has been seen as a total failure since they spent so much, had such amazing players, and basically did nothing. There is a thread on it in these forums. Then he goes to Real Madrid and though early days, so far massively under performing.

Absolutely you don't spent 150m on Muller, but you shouldn't on Mbappe either.
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The easiest way to compare the two players is internationally and Mbappé outshines Muller significantly there and in the Champions League Mbappé scores at almost twice the rate.

It’s also yes a very strange comparison between two players that are quite different so I don’t really know how else to describe it other than goals, individual accolades, reputation and stuff like that. But what is your argument for Muller being better than Mbappé?
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
Not exactly a top-level league to use as part of an argument. Ligue 1 has always been a 2nd rate league. It has only been viewed higher since PSG were bought by billionaires.


Serie A has Platini, Maradona, Baggio, Zidane, Maldini

Bundesliga has Gerd Muller, Beckenbauer.

La Liga has Di Stefano, Gento, Zidane, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, R9, Messi, Cristiano.

PL/Div 1 has Best, Charlton.

Eredivisie has Cruyff, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Gullit, Koeman.

Liga Portugal has Eusebio.


It is easier for Mbappe to be seen as the greatest of all time in the league when the greatest Ligue 1 players of all time are not as good as the other top leagues.

Ligue 1 has Papin, Kopa, Fontaine. Yes, they are great players, but not on the same level (no disrespect) as Maradona, Platini, Beckenbauer, Di Stefano, Messi, Best, Cruyff, Eusebio.

So Mbappe has less all-time great level players to compete with.
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Yep fully aware of that, but it’s still a string to his bow to be as good as he was and win so many players of the year, it would have been easy for Mbappé to coast but he was actually very consistent and played week to week at a high level. He thought he needed to move to Real Madrid to test himself at another league so we will see what happens in the next 5 years but his legacy in France is secure.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
The easiest way to compare the two players is internationally and Mbappé outshines Muller significantly there and in the Champions League Mbappé scores at almost twice the rate.

It’s also yes a very strange comparison between two players that are quite different so I don’t really know how else to describe it other than goals, individual accolades, reputation and stuff like that. But what is your argument for Muller being better than Mbappé?
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I don't think I said Muller was better. I was arguing against the claim that of Mbappe stopped now, he's accomplished more already.

However if I was to (and I am not), my argument for anything like this is simple, Muller makes a better team than Mbappe.
 
Hammondo said:
I don't think I said Muller was better. I was arguing against the claim that of Mbappe stopped now, he's accomplished more already.

However if I was to (and I am not), my argument for anything like this is simple, Muller makes a better team than Mbappe.
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I would say Muller makes a team better for a player like Mbappé to flourish, I agree. But if you have a team with just Muller and no Mbappé-like star then they could look limited very quickly. An ideal team would have Mullers and Mbappés. Complementary players + stars/finishers.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
I would say Muller makes a team better for a player like Mbappé to flourish, I agree. But if you have a team with just Muller and no Mbappé-like star then they could look limited very quickly. An ideal team would have Mullers and Mbappés. Complementary players + stars/finishers.
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And to be clear, who are you saying was like Mbappe that played with Muller?
 
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