Kylian Mbappé | Real Madrid watch
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His adaptation is going well. He has to find his place on the field.
His stats are not stratospheric but certainly not "Hazardian".
About yesterday, no matter how well the offside is done, he has to be skillful not to fall repeatedly, especially with his speed.
His stats are not stratospheric but certainly not "Hazardian".
About yesterday, no matter how well the offside is done, he has to be skillful not to fall repeatedly, especially with his speed.
3 of his 6 La Liga goals have been penos.
Flop?
Relative to his generation in terms of ranking yes
Yes agreed. Vinicius has been so important won so much for Madrid for several years.
Vinicius is streets ahead for me. Mbappe was the talent of his generation, and will show it again, but years at PSG and all the bad habits he picked up there have damaged him. Nevermind, I quite like watching him flop whether it's with France or Madrid.
Agreed Vinicius is the best forward in world football presently. Also has more to his game than mbappe. Mbappe comes down to his ego and if he's willing to be a team player.
Didn’t realise people had this much dislike for Mbappe.
I feel for him, he hit like 7 celebrations and his goal was chalked off as offside 
Why does so many people seem to hate Mbappe? Even the media is attacking him and making him a scapegoat for Real Madrid's loss. I think given his long waiting transfer saga and hyped as the biggest transfer and "best player" in the world tag after Messi/Ronaldo, the whole world expects him to light up La Liga but it was never going to happen. The criticism makes it sound like he’s been a flop on the level of Hazard, which is far from fair. For example, he played a key role in Madrid’s recent 5-2 comeback win over Dortmund with an assist. Some of you need to chill.
He was one of the most exciting young players I've seen when he still was playing for Monaco and then that 2018 WC. I thought the world of him but he made the decision to stay at PSG for much longer than he should have (obviously for the money) which completely derailed his career.
I personally doubt he'll ever reach the heights his debuts promised to be. He's also extremely reliant on his speed which doesn't bode well for the rest of his career.
He's got Neymar written all over his career, full of what ifs that will never be fulfilled.
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Vini has never showed up for Brazil unlike Mbappe for France though, even Raphinha is more impactful for Brazil. A kid like Yamal has done more for Spain at the Euros than Vini ever did for Brazil and is currently leading La Liga's assists tally. Even if Vini wins the BdO, he's merely a seat warmer and everyone will say Neymar deserved it more.
I always find it funny how many excuses certain players get.
What excuses am I giving him? Him taking the easy option and messing around at PSG is on him!
"but years at PSG and all the bad habits he picked up there have damaged him", poor Mbappe played for PSG, such a tough life, clearly ruining his football at Real Madrid.
Mbappé is one good World Cup away from being remembered as one of the best forwards ever, how he does at Real Madrid won't matter that much. If he scores 5 goals+ in the next World Cup and France win, then he has 2 World Cups and an all-time top scorer, including scoring a hat-trick in a final. Those are the sort of achievements that will stand the test of time.
Certainly not a good start and a buncha red flags….unless he magically turns it around it’s increasingly looking like a waste of time and money to get him.
Which a fair amount of us said well before signing him.
Let's see where Madrid are at the end of the season. But I don't think he's got the character of a Real Madrid superstar personally. Those guys are brave as hell in every situation.
What's the odds on Ancelotti getting sacked before Eth
Thats kinda the problem, you aren't supposed to spend months "adapting" though, when you are a finished product, and supposed top 3 player in the world.
He was brought to deliver immediately, and he hasn't really done that.
He has credit. But the club isn’t that forgiving and it can run out quickly. I think he gets to finish the season at least. But if things look dire in January…Perez fired for less.
Similarly Mbappe can expect the boo’s to start rather soon as well if he doesn’t improve.
We are in October and the best player in the world plays in his position, which we all knew. And he came to a winning team.
He had every chance of being the culprit. Him and whoever would have come to replace Kroos, if it had happened.
If in a state of top performance of the team, in key Champions League knockouts, he does not perform, then it could be said that there is a problem.
I am halfway between the view that he was extremely fast when he was young like Michael Owen and when that wanes even slightly the edge is gone, and your view. I think he will do okay at Madrid if he gets his head down but his ego might not allow it
It says more that he was given time off by Deschamps despite being captain yet flew to Sweden instead of resting over the international break or training in Madrid. Even Rooney was able to keep his binging, whoring, kebabs or casino trips local no? Can't be putting in stinkers if he wants people to ignore the foreign nightclub trips.
Not bad for a free transfer to be fair.
Usually people here like to spout "form is temporary, class is permanent" and yet appear reluctant to for Mbappe.
He's class, no doubt about it and will for sure come good.
Usually people here like to spout "form is temporary, class is permanent" and yet appear reluctant to for Mbappe.
He's class, no doubt about it and will for sure come good.
I think another big part of the problem is Vinicius is playing in the position where Mbappe excels most. But Madrid knew that when they bought him, I felt like it was always going to be an issue in some form. And really Vinicius can’t be moved because he’s come up trumps for Madrid over the last couple of seasons.
Load of nonsense imo. You maximise your potential but playing consistently at the highest level, not by playing in the 5th or 6th ranked league in Europe.
He chose to stay there for the money, where he'd could slack off and piss around off-field. That’s damaged his development but is completely on him as he could and should have gone to Madrid in 2022, but he decided to mess them around then.
I even said I enjoy watching him flop. - The guy’s a complete cnut to my eyes.
League ranks aren't an exact science as pertaining to maximising sporting potential. In any case, according to your logic, moving to Real wouldn't have been playing at the highest level, unless you're willing to concede the existence of nuance.
There were plenty monetary reasons, as well as sporting reasons, and likely personal reasons for staying with PSG. "Of course it was absolute greed" is a load of nonsense, in my opinion.
Free transfers aren't free, players demand a hefty signing bonus but clubs are happy to pay as it's still less than what the players would cost in transfer fees plus they don't enrich a rival club. Mbappe apparently got a €125M bonus on top of his wages, it's also why PSG parted ways with him acrimoniously since he pocketed the fees they could've sold him for.
Tsu Wave it's right in many of his points, it wasn't just a question of going asap to Real, or just greed, meaning money.
The main issue it's not greed, it's the management of his EGO, from him and those around him.
If he had handle it better in his time in PSG, he would have had a better a chance of winning a CL playing there, he could have arrived to Madrid with even an even stronger pedigree and more relaxed in terms of achieving that desired CL.
Like Tsu said, the shot was there, in several periods, but for moments (not always) he didn't made the best out of it when you looked at him on daily basis on the pitch way he played and the way he managed himself in other aspects outside of it.
By Ego I mean being spoiled on every aspect, about him and Ney in some sort of constant silly quarrels, on acting as the best Barras/Hooligans friend while those were going against Ney/Messi and stuff like that. Many times he was extremely sellfish on the pitch on too many ocassions during matches. He is a player that in the same match he can show great combinations, understanding, team effort, he has that, he is no Dembele, Sterling, basket cube silly fella, yet he suddenly has a huge ego trip and starts deciding horrible time and again or missing an easy chance after easy chance and becoming obssesive with scoring.
He was silly (very very young too) in not getting the advantage of having an old Messi, that in those days was trully shocked of what happened to him in Barca and arrived to Paris without even asking for the number 10, he went there accepting a secondary role being who he is, instead of an in rage, seeking vengeance fella, while claiming the number one role in PSG.
Who knows, maybe Messi should have done that, because PSG might needed that and young Kiki too.
In those days Kiki just realized too late the approach from Messi (maybe thinking that Leo would have instantly put Ney above, dunno) and when in the second season both get along mostly great, Ney was already in the infirmary, the relationship with the fans was broken with his two main partners, the rest of the squad were a shadow of their best versions (from Verratti, to Vitinha and full of bloopers gallore from Donna and the defense in general). So mainly his timing and reading of the situation, due to how PSG handle him and him managed that, was really bad, he was a kid, a very spoiled kid, without any Pep, Klopp, Mou strong figure around.
Now, if we believe that arriving to Madrid earlier, was an instant solution to his carreer, that's way far fetched, given the aforementioned mind set.
What he lived in PSG in some sort of: I'm the Boss, enjoying such status even on periods that he was having two monsters of the game (Ney and Messi) underneath him, doesn't translate on him arriving to Madrid with such role instantly, no matter arriving earlier, or now, it's his head what needs to be more focus. To think that Vini, Jude, Rodrygo were and incline their heads and leave him the protagonism, it's a very very wrong assumption.
So what happens now? he has to get his act together, he has to be firm, show his gallons, but with less ego. He has to adapt to a new League, that it's not 7 times better, no League it's that much better among the traditional ones, but every League has its differences.
They are les naif in Spain and Italy regarding dribblers, they are more cheeky, more street smart than the more "honest", more leniant on the physical approach like the EPL or the French League are. This needs adjustment and with the whole scenario he has been living since his burst into the scene in france (and WCs), it's harder to deal and under the huge spotlight Real is.
What he has on favor? he is not playing absolutely awful, just not that great, sometimes plain badly.
He seems like a guy that if we do not escrutinized in excess his numbers (how he scored them, when, etc), he'll always provide those in a global context, so if he gets on a better level, he already would have the numbers that in fact he is already producing to back him up. That's huge HELP in this current transition. It's like when Jude arrived and many of those goals (too many of them quite lucky) created a fantastic plattform for his adaptation. In the case of kiki, even more, because if his condifence gets bigger, he can get huge numbers.
Finally, he'll more than probably never be a total footballer, but God dam he has the physique, the tecnique to be an even better forward that he already is, he can become trully huge if him and Madrid get their act together. It doesn't matter if he is no Messi, Cris ain't either and still people put them side by side in terms of talent, like Cris, he is a trully phenomenal specimen.
Time will tell how he deals with this whole new situation for him and how Real does, but IT'S TOO FECKING EARLY to write him off and he ain't exactly unexistant or extremely awuful. He has been just "bad" to his very own level and not fulfilling people's to the roof expectations.
The main issue it's not greed, it's the management of his EGO, from him and those around him.
If he had handle it better in his time in PSG, he would have had a better a chance of winning a CL playing there, he could have arrived to Madrid with even an even stronger pedigree and more relaxed in terms of achieving that desired CL.
Like Tsu said, the shot was there, in several periods, but for moments (not always) he didn't made the best out of it when you looked at him on daily basis on the pitch way he played and the way he managed himself in other aspects outside of it.
By Ego I mean being spoiled on every aspect, about him and Ney in some sort of constant silly quarrels, on acting as the best Barras/Hooligans friend while those were going against Ney/Messi and stuff like that. Many times he was extremely sellfish on the pitch on too many ocassions during matches. He is a player that in the same match he can show great combinations, understanding, team effort, he has that, he is no Dembele, Sterling, basket cube silly fella, yet he suddenly has a huge ego trip and starts deciding horrible time and again or missing an easy chance after easy chance and becoming obssesive with scoring.
He was silly (very very young too) in not getting the advantage of having an old Messi, that in those days was trully shocked of what happened to him in Barca and arrived to Paris without even asking for the number 10, he went there accepting a secondary role being who he is, instead of an in rage, seeking vengeance fella, while claiming the number one role in PSG.
Who knows, maybe Messi should have done that, because PSG might needed that and young Kiki too.
In those days Kiki just realized too late the approach from Messi (maybe thinking that Leo would have instantly put Ney above, dunno) and when in the second season both get along mostly great, Ney was already in the infirmary, the relationship with the fans was broken with his two main partners, the rest of the squad were a shadow of their best versions (from Verratti, to Vitinha and full of bloopers gallore from Donna and the defense in general). So mainly his timing and reading of the situation, due to how PSG handle him and him managed that, was really bad, he was a kid, a very spoiled kid, without any Pep, Klopp, Mou strong figure around.
Now, if we believe that arriving to Madrid earlier, was an instant solution to his carreer, that's way far fetched, given the aforementioned mind set.
What he lived in PSG in some sort of: I'm the Boss, enjoying such status even on periods that he was having two monsters of the game (Ney and Messi) underneath him, doesn't translate on him arriving to Madrid with such role instantly, no matter arriving earlier, or now, it's his head what needs to be more focus. To think that Vini, Jude, Rodrygo were and incline their heads and leave him the protagonism, it's a very very wrong assumption.
So what happens now? he has to get his act together, he has to be firm, show his gallons, but with less ego. He has to adapt to a new League, that it's not 7 times better, no League it's that much better among the traditional ones, but every League has its differences.
They are les naif in Spain and Italy regarding dribblers, they are more cheeky, more street smart than the more "honest", more leniant on the physical approach like the EPL or the French League are. This needs adjustment and with the whole scenario he has been living since his burst into the scene in france (and WCs), it's harder to deal and under the huge spotlight Real is.
What he has on favor? he is not playing absolutely awful, just not that great, sometimes plain badly.
He seems like a guy that if we do not escrutinized in excess his numbers (how he scored them, when, etc), he'll always provide those in a global context, so if he gets on a better level, he already would have the numbers that in fact he is already producing to back him up. That's huge HELP in this current transition. It's like when Jude arrived and many of those goals (too many of them quite lucky) created a fantastic plattform for his adaptation. In the case of kiki, even more, because if his condifence gets bigger, he can get huge numbers.
Finally, he'll more than probably never be a total footballer, but God dam he has the physique, the tecnique to be an even better forward that he already is, he can become trully huge if him and Madrid get their act together. It doesn't matter if he is no Messi, Cris ain't either and still people put them side by side in terms of talent, like Cris, he is a trully phenomenal specimen.
Time will tell how he deals with this whole new situation for him and how Real does, but IT'S TOO FECKING EARLY to write him off and he ain't exactly unexistant or extremely awuful. He has been just "bad" to his very own level and not fulfilling people's to the roof expectations.
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Felt for a long time that Mbappe might be a bit overrated.
I never understood how some people were describing him as the best in the world when he's spent the entirety of his club career in the French league.
He's obviously a very good player on his day, but I still think he has it all to prove to be considered one of the best in the world.
I never understood how some people were describing him as the best in the world when he's spent the entirety of his club career in the French league.
He's obviously a very good player on his day, but I still think he has it all to prove to be considered one of the best in the world.
A World Cup and a World Cup final to his name; plus a finger tip away from a second at his age is nothing to sniff at.
Club footballs been a mess - you don’t go to PSG if you want to make a name and grow
It's so funny how this signing is turning out like how everyone expected it to. Madrid were so stupid not to wait a year or so and try and get Haaland from City who has already expressed a desire to play in Spain.
He would fit in our team way better.
Shiiiiiiiiiiit, Madrid should’ve just kept the same front three of Vini, Jude and Rodrigo, bought a quality back up forward (plus Endrick), and spent the rest of the money on signing a replacement for Kroos and some depth in defence. They’d be ten times better off right now.
Who cares about that
The problem is this cnut has 5 non-penalty goals in 15 games. Joselu was genuinely better than this
That makes it seem like a tactic though. Which I am not sure makes sense given Mbappe’s pace.
Have to say that I didn’t expect him to be so poor for Madrid. The skepticism on his fit in this team - which on paper doesn’t really add up when you think about it - has so far been justified.