Kylian Mbappé joins PSG on one year loan with option to buy

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JPRouve said:
And Mbappé knows that and said himself that he has to match the expectations, he isn't naive. What you could say though is that like all players, not just young players, a change of environment is always risky. But that's true for everyone.
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It is especially true for an 18 year old with all of one professional season under his belt. Simply put, not only are there no guarantees he will produce right away, he doesn't have a big enough body of work behind him that might speak for him

Signing him right now, for that kind of money, is a huge gamble. It is a far bigger gamble than, for example, inverting the same amount of money on Aubameyang, or Kane
 
JPRouve said:
Sorry, I don't understand your point. You mean that he doesn't understand what he says, because he is young and naive.
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He hasn't experienced the backlash of being misquoted or being in the fire line from comments he has made. Older players may have been through it and know when is best to speak and when not to speak. Kind of adds on to what others have said all well and good knowing the right thing and wrong thing to do but sometimes you need to experience it to really understand. That comes with age and experience
 
giorno said:
It is especially true for an 18 year old with all of one professional season under his belt. Simply put, not only are there no guarantees he will produce right away, he doesn't have a big enough body of work behind him that might speak for him

Signing him right now, for that kind of money, is a huge gamble. It is a far bigger gamble than, for example, inverting the same amount of money on Aubameyang, or Kane
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Yeah, but that's not the point. We were talking about his personality. Whether he handles pressure or not the fee is stupid and a big gamble for the club.
 
Mainoldo said:
He hasn't experienced the backlash of being misquoted or being in the fire line from comments he has made. Older players may have been through it and know when is best to speak and when not to speak. Kind of adds on to what others have said all well and good knowing the right thing and wrong thing to do but sometimes you need to experience it to really understand. That comes with age and experience
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That's because you don't the subject, Mbappé has been misquoted and somehow he knows the circus and how to say the right things, that's the most surprising thing about him. Well, it's not surprising since iirc he took media trainings.
 
JPRouve said:
You watch him after the Sweden disgrace and you understand that he isn't normal. When senior players avoided the press, he went in front of them and analyzed it.
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I don't know the lad - he may be an 18 year old older than his years. I would say that it's all good at the moment, it might be different if and when things aren't going well.

My point was made generally in response to a post above and in respect of how young players are looked after. With spiralling transfer fees they are less likely to be given the time to develop as they might have. People can be too quick to praise and too quick to write off.
 
People talking about his 'worth', it's not a question of the fee being quoted, it's got to be considered in relation to available alternatives and whether it affects the rest of a clubs ability to sign needed players.

He has the potential to be the world's best striker. Belotti at 2/3rds the price doesn't have that potential IMO. United/Real will likely still be able to afford any other transfers they feel the need this summer, and buying a player of his profile could arguably make it easier to sign other players who will be attracted to a club of such ambition.

Forget the fee, if the chairmen think he's affordable then so be it
 
RedRover said:
I don't know the lad - he may be an 18 year old older than his years. I would say that it's all good at the moment, it might be different if and when things aren't going well.

My point was made generally in response to a post above and in respect of how young players are looked after. With spiralling transfer fees they are less likely to be given the time to develop as they might have. People can be too quick to praise and too quick to write off.
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That's what I understood and I don't disagree with the general idea but when someone shows things that senior players never did, you have to take it into account. You can't really force someone's age on him and just see him as part of a group. Mbappé has been put on the spot a lot, more than any other Monaco player had in the past 5 years put together, he has been in an open conflict with Jardim over playing time, he has been put on the spot after kind words regarding PSG, the french team, Real Madrid and he always answers perfectly by making his point clear and intelligible.

Now, I'm not telling you that he is going to be a world class player or that he isn't going to scramble under pressure but despite his age, his personality sets him apart and we should take that into account.
 
JPRouve said:
That's what I understood and I don't disagree with the general idea but when someone shows things that senior players never did, you have to take it into account. You can't really force someone's age on him and just see him as part of a group. Mbappé has been put on the spot a lot, more than any other Monaco player had in the past 5 years put together, he has been in an open conflict with Jardim over playing time, he has been put on the spot after kind words regarding PSG, the french team, Real Madrid and he always answers perfectly by making his point clear and intelligible.

Now, I'm not telling you that he is going to be a world class player or that he isn't going to scramble under pressure but despite his age, his personality sets him apart and we should take that into account.
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He's still a kid though, living at home, at a club he's been at since he was a small child. He's inside a bubble that'll burst.

For example, If Ronaldo leaves Real and he joins, he'll have to produce. Look at the criticism levelled at Bale, despite the relatively high output.

It's impossible to asses anyone's personality unless you know them and at 18, he's probably immune to a lot of it now.

It is all moot I suppose and nobody knows what he'll become. I just think the fee being talked about is insane.
 
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RedRover said:
He's still a kid though, living at home, at a club he's been at since he was a small child. He's inside a bubble that'll burst.

For example, If Ronaldo leaves Real and he joins, he'll have to produce. Look at the criticism levelled at Bale, despite the relatively high output.

It's impossible to asses anyone's personality unless you know them and at 18, he's probably immune to a lot of it now.
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He is from Bonby has only been at Monaco since he was 14. And I assume he has been out of his house since he joined Clairefontaine when he was 12.
 
RedRover said:
He's still a kid though, living at home, at a club he's been at since he was a small child. He's inside a bubble that'll burst.

For example, If Ronaldo leaves Real and he joins, he'll have to produce. Look at the criticism levelled at Bale, despite the relatively high output.

It's impossible to asses anyone's personality unless you know them and at 18, he's probably immune to a lot of it now.

It is all moot I suppose and nobody knows what he'll become. I just think the fee being talked about is insane.
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We agree on that.:D
 
Keeps It tidy said:
He is from Bonby has only been at Monaco since he was 14. And I assume he has been out of his house since he joined Clairefontaine when he was 12.
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Fair enough. It's not not likely to prepare him for what's to come if he moves to Real Madrid or another massive club.
 
ReallyUSA said:
It's not just that. Monaco to Real is a totally different amount of pressure.
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It is still Football. Marcelo went from Fluminense to Real Madrid, Higuain went from River Plate to Real Madrid, Raphael Varane went from getting relegated with RC Lens to Real Madrid. And they were all teenagers when they moved.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
It is still Football. Marcelo went from Fluminense to Real Madrid, Higuain went from River Plate to Real Madrid, Raphael Varane went from getting relegated with RC Lens to Real Madrid. And they were all teenagers when they moved.
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The difference here is none of them are dealing with the hype Mbappe is getting or the fee he's commanding. Additionally, if this CR7 nonsense is actually happening, he leaves, and they get Mbappe as a replacement.....well, I can't think of any worse situation that that as far as pressure. If CR7 is getting booed, I can't fathom what they'd do to Mbappe if he doesn't hit the ground running right off the bat, even then.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
It is still Football. Marcelo went from Fluminense to Real Madrid, Higuain went from River Plate to Real Madrid, Raphael Varane went from getting relegated with RC Lens to Real Madrid. And they were all teenagers when they moved.
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Good point. A lot is made of players not stepping up or adapting etc but it really depends on the individual player.
 
Sayros said:
The difference here is none of them are dealing with the hype Mbappe is getting or the fee he's commanding. Additionally, if this CR7 nonsense is actually happening, he leaves, and they get Mbappe as a replacement.....well, I can't think of any worse situation that that as far as pressure. If CR7 is getting booed, I can't fathom what they'd do to Mbappe if he doesn't hit the ground running right off the bat, even then.
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There is going to be pressure no matter where he goes. There is going to be pressure even if he stays at Monaco. If he stays he is going to be expected to improve on what he did last season. People are going to want to see if Monaco can defend their title and make another good showing in the CL even with important players leaving. And if Mbappe stays while others leave he would have to take more of a leadership role within the club. Plus no matter where he plays next season he knows he will need to impress so he is in France's squad for Russia. Especially now with the academy generation I think players from a young age know what is going to be expected from them when they are professionals. They have dealt with intense competition from the beginning.
 
Got a feeling we might still sign this kid. Not sure if it is in hope but think we will give it a big push.
 
Sayros said:
The difference here is none of them are dealing with the hype Mbappe is getting or the fee he's commanding. Additionally, if this CR7 nonsense is actually happening, he leaves, and they get Mbappe as a replacement.....well, I can't think of any worse situation that that as far as pressure. If CR7 is getting booed, I can't fathom what they'd do to Mbappe if he doesn't hit the ground running right off the bat, even then.
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My point entirely. If Ronaldo goes its big change in direction for Real but the fans won't accept transition and nor will Zidane when his heads on the block. Someone has to come up with the goals they lose or they'll end up miles behind Barca and Athletico.
 
McGrathsipan said:
....might!

He might be the next Danny Welbeck.
Crazy stuff
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Amazing how you just need to throw a speculative silly price tag around for long enough and people will start to accept it as evidence of how good the player is. 'He is being spoken about as an 120m plus player'... who cares? Firstly, he's not going to go for that much. Secondly, it would be total madness even if he did. He's been around for six effing months!
 
Brightonian said:
Amazing how you just need to throw a speculative silly price tag around for long enough and people will start to accept it as evidence of how good the player is. 'He is being spoken about as an 120m plus player'... who cares? Firstly, he's not going to go for that much. Secondly, it would be total madness even if he did. He's been around for six effing months!
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He has been on big clubs radar for a lot longer than that.
 
McGrathsipan said:
Can't be that long hes only 18.
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About 6 years, they wanted him when he was at Clairefontaine, they tried to sign him when he left Clairefontaine and they came for him when he played his first games for Monaco in 2015/2016.
 
It'll be fascinating to see how this kid develops. Stay at Monaco one more year and repeat the performance and this could get even more ridiculous next summer.
 
McGrathsipan said:
Can't be that long hes only 18.
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I honestly believe you are going to look very daft in 5 years time. He will be one of, if not the best in the world and his price, be it 120/140m will be seen as good business.
 
Given he was only ever going to go to Madrid anyway, will be quite happy for us to essentially give Madrid the money to buy him in exchange for Ronaldo.
 
Pexbo said:
I honestly believe you are going to look very daft in 5 years time. He will be one of, if not the best in the world and his price, be it 120/140m will be seen as good business.
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Surprised to see that from you Pexbo. He might turn out that way, but he is just this year's iteration of the same amazing-this-season kid who might turn out that way every year. Youngsters who've been hailed 'once in a generation talents' based on much longer trial periods have settled well short of the balon d'or pack. Remember when Neymar was absolutely guaranteed to be the 'next man' after Ronaldo and Messi, and now everyone just seems to have forgotten him except as the least lauded prong on Barca's trident. And where the hell is Mario Gotze? I'm not talking about Marcus Rashford here - these are players who large chunks of this forum were absolutely convinced would be Balon d'Or winners one day.

In fact, the last person to actually fulfil that sort of hype was Ronaldo himself. And even he doesn't qualify as an example of what you're saying. Yes, he went for what at the time seemed like crazy money, and has since looked like very good business, but when Real bought him he was already a Balon d'Or winner. Mbappé has played around six months of senior football, and scored a lot of goals as a striker for one of the most gung-ho attacking sides I've ever seen. 140m? Seriously?
 
Brightonian said:
Surprised to see that from you Pexbo. He might turn out that way, but he is just this year's iteration of the same amazing-this-season kid who might turn out that way every year. Youngsters who've been hailed 'once in a generation talents' based on much longer trial periods have settled well short of the balon d'or pack. Remember when Neymar was absolutely guaranteed to be the 'next man' after Ronaldo and Messi, and now everyone just seems to have forgotten him except as the least lauded prong on Barca's trident. And where the hell is Mario Gotze? I'm not talking about Marcus Rashford here - these are players who large chunks of this forum were absolutely convinced would be Balon d'Or winners one day.

In fact, the last person to actually fulfil that sort of hype was Ronaldo himself. And even he doesn't qualify as an example of what you're saying. Yes, he went for what at the time seemed like crazy money, and has since looked like very good business, but when Real bought him he was already a Balon d'Or winner. Mbappé has played around six months of senior football, and scored a lot of goals as a striker for one of the most gung-ho attacking sides I've ever seen. 140m? Seriously?
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What people are you talking to? Neymar has lived up to the hype(which was imense) and become one of the elite players in World Football.
 
Mainoldo said:
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Don't see anything different. He's 18-19 here.
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Remember Anelka was transferred to Madrid for close to world record fee in 1999 (Vieri was that year & he's not the best player in the world. Anelka fee beat the previous world record fee. Here using GBP as currency to compare. It would be a little different in other currency. But there is the point). If Mbappe does move for say 120mil & hold the record, it's because the elite players don't move now. Neymar would definitely be more expensive if he moves. So in a sense, this fee is normal for most sought after next big attacker.
 
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ti vu said:
Remember Anelka was transferred to Madrid for close to world record fee in 1999 (Vieri was that year & he's not the best player in the world. Anelka fee beat the previous world record fee. Here using GBP as currency to compare. It would be a little different in other currency. But there is the point). If Mbappe does move for say 120mil & hold the record, it's because the elite players don't move now. Neymar would definitely be more expensive if he moves. So in a sense, this fee is normal for most sought after next big attacker.
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Anelka was a fair bit more talented than rashford at the same age in my opinion.
 
Ali Dia said:
Anelka was a fair bit more talented than rashford at the same age in my opinion.
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Agreed. Some people use Anelka as some sort of warning of not getting overhyped about Mbappe, but Anelka's talent and ability was never the issue, it's always been his mind. With Mbappe, he's not someone I'm worried about mentally. However, if he goes to Real Madrid (and to be honest, I haven't seen any reputable journal back up this rumor yet) to replace Cristiano Ronaldo, then I think it's going to be very difficult to deal with the Bernabeu crowd. He doesn't speak the language, wouldn't even be 19 yet and be the most expensive player in the world, and he'd be replacing a guy who scored 40+ goals in the last seven years. I would stay as far away from that situation as possible at that young of an age, but you don't become that good that young by being cautious and doubting yourself so I'm sure he's confident he could pull it off.
 
Sayros said:
Agreed. Some people use Anelka as some sort of warning of not getting overhyped about Mbappe, but Anelka's talent and ability was never the issue, it's always been his mind. With Mbappe, he's not someone I'm worried about mentally. However, if he goes to Real Madrid (and to be honest, I haven't seen any reputable journal back up this rumor yet) to replace Cristiano Ronaldo, then I think it's going to be very difficult to deal with the Bernabeu crowd. He doesn't speak the language, wouldn't even be 19 yet and be the most expensive player in the world, and he'd be replacing a guy who scored 40+ goals in the last seven years. I would stay as far away from that situation as possible at that young of an age, but you don't become that good that young by being cautious and doubting yourself so I'm sure he's confident he could pull it off.
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I wasn't. I was trying to calm the excitement that besides Big Ron, Pele and Maradona.. there's not Mbappe! It's quite normal for 18's to be above there years hence Anelka. I agree with the Madrid move, it could ruin him. We say Anelka's mind but at 18 we didn't know he had crazy brothers looking at him like a cash cow.
 
I personally see mbappe staying at Monaco this year and then moving to Real the next. If Ronaldo moves this year then for sure Madrid will go after mbappe. Real definitely see Mbappe as the replacement of Ronaldo but mbappe should resist Madrid this year . IF in case he decides to join Madrid this year as Ronaldo's replacement then it going to be an uphill task,because replacing Ronaldo is a challenging task for anyone, let alone an 18 year old boy + the horrendous Madrid supporters. They will crucify him if doesn't hit the ground instantly. Sensible thing would be to stay at Monaco this year at all costs.
 
Brightonian said:
Surprised to see that from you Pexbo. He might turn out that way, but he is just this year's iteration of the same amazing-this-season kid who might turn out that way every year. Youngsters who've been hailed 'once in a generation talents' based on much longer trial periods have settled well short of the balon d'or pack. Remember when Neymar was absolutely guaranteed to be the 'next man' after Ronaldo and Messi, and now everyone just seems to have forgotten him except as the least lauded prong on Barca's trident. And where the hell is Mario Gotze? I'm not talking about Marcus Rashford here - these are players who large chunks of this forum were absolutely convinced would be Balon d'Or winners one day.

In fact, the last person to actually fulfil that sort of hype was Ronaldo himself. And even he doesn't qualify as an example of what you're saying. Yes, he went for what at the time seemed like crazy money, and has since looked like very good business, but when Real bought him he was already a Balon d'Or winner. Mbappé has played around six months of senior football, and scored a lot of goals as a striker for one of the most gung-ho attacking sides I've ever seen. 140m? Seriously?
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I honestly think you are underestimating what a talent he is. I didn't call him a "once in a generation talent", I said he will be one of, if not the best in the world within 5 years. I'm not going to claim he's going to dominate Football like Messi and Ronaldo have but I do think he will be challenging for the Balon D'or and while 120m+ seems like an incredible fee now, in 5 years when everyone is adjusted to these prices and average England internationals are commanding XXXm fees, he will look like good business.



You're definitely underestimating the talent this lad has though, he's been tracked by all the big clubs for over 5 years now and having a breakout season like this didn't surprise any of the scouts and managers who have been following him.
 
I started watching Monaco to see about this kid Lemar that was being hyped up. Then this kid Mbappe started making substitute appearances and before long he was in the team week in week out. Sometimes you can just look at a player and know they are something special. He is fearless and makes everything look easy and shows intelligence way beyond his years.

I'd love for him to come to united but equally I don't think Jose is the manager for him. He'd be better to stay another year at Monaco and I think that is what will happen but if he had to leave looking at it objectively Arsenal or Madrid might be better places for him to play.
 
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