Monaco were a functioning team and while he did great - they have a lot of talent. They're certainly no one man team . We were a team adjusting to a new system. I think people should slow down and see in 10 or so years. I don't see people saying Zidane is the best manager ever for winning the CL back to back - people recognize that there is luck involved but they're a team maturing and obviously with Ronaldo you've always a chance. Let's see what happens, when the player or if the player has a blip. Lots of things can effect players. Look at Torres. I think he will be a top player but Martial will also be a top player IF we create the right environment and IF he works on his finishing
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Monaco were a functioning team and while he did great - they have a lot of talent. They're certainly no one man team . We were a team adjusting to a new system. I think people should slow down and see in 10 or so years. I don't see people saying Zidane is the best manager ever for winning the CL back to back - people recognize that there is luck involved but they're a team maturing and obviously with Ronaldo you've always a chance. Let's see what happens, when the player or if the player has a blip. Lots of things can effect players. Look at Torres. I think he will be a top player but Martial will also be a top player IF we create the right environment and IF he works on his finishing
He certainly set the world on fire last season with his dribbling for us
Was it a €130m performance?
Personally I think the market has gone mad. The big clubs need to put up obscene bids to match the money that the sugardaddy clubs can potentially spend.
Having said that, and accepting one is living in a world where John Stones is worth 50 million quid, the yes Mbappe is worth a world record bid. His movement, his technique, speed and sheer intelligence with the ball are phenomenal considering he is only 18 years old. I cannot stress that last bit enough. If he keeps on building on his game, who knows how good he will be when he is 23.
I do think the best thing he could is stay in Monaco one more season. Keep on working on his craft without the pressure of a glory hungry top club.
He's 18 years old. Whoever gets him and if, if he fulfills his potential, you get like 12 years at the top out of him. That's like 10m a year. For me the big question is if he can live up to the hype right now
He wasn't at his clinical best yesterday, but against 3 centrebacks he created 3 goalscoring chances for himself and laid on an assist. Not many strikers in the world can do that.
His pace and directness is just unstoppable when he's in the mood, if you have a midfield that want to play him the balls he will score goals all day long.
We should make a £150m bid for him if he rejects us, just to increase his price for Real and stop him going there. If Jose ever wants to win the CL with us we must stop Mbappe going to Real.
Players are not slaves to be sold to the highest bidder. If he wants to go to Madrid, Monaco will probably entertain their bid. It's not as if they are not going to pay a lot of money for him anyway.
We haven't been linked to Mbappe anyhow. I don't think Mourinho is interested in him as it is. And a single striker, even one as good as he is is not enough to win us the CL. We need to build up a quality deep squad.
If Neymar was on the market now we'd gladly spend 150 million on him. If Mourinho believes that Mbappe is a similar talent then we should go all out now for him regardless of the cost.
Errr we made the first bid on him and Di Marzio said he was our #1 target just recently. About as linked as it gets.
Surely we have the money to throw around just to impose ourselves to the rest of the clubs, flex our muscles a little bit.
If he is going to cost us 150m, then so be it. The important part isn't the money spent, but that we shown we're willing to pay for talent. And if he actually works out for us, then Real would want to come in and buy him. Guess what, he would cost them far more than 150m at that point.
Obviously if he turns out to be a fraud, we would lose money. But is it an amount of money that we can't afford to lose? Is it not worth the gamble?
If he is going to cost us 150m, then so be it. The important part isn't the money spent, but that we shown we're willing to pay for talent. And if he actually works out for us, then Real would want to come in and buy him. Guess what, he would cost them far more than 150m at that point.
Obviously if he turns out to be a fraud, we would lose money. But is it an amount of money that we can't afford to lose? Is it not worth the gamble?
I'm far too long in the tooth for fanboyism.
Besides, it's Dembelele who enjoy watching the most.
Call a spade a spade. Mbappé's intelligence is his biggest asset and it opens up doors for him others don't have access to.
looks like a great potential. It would be good to find Mbappe and Dembele 1 year ago... what are our scouts doing?
It is so easy for us to want these players now they are making all the headlines, but a good scouting team and network should be able to identify these guys before the gold rush. We use to unearth gems not buy them which was always the way more fun and was very proud of us being ahead of the curve. Schmeichel, Van Nistelrooy, Ole Gunnar, ronaldo, evra, Vidic etc...
It is so easy for us to want these players now they are making all the headlines, but a good scouting team and network should be able to identify these guys before the gold rush. We use to unearth gems not buy them which was always the way more fun and was very proud of us being ahead of the curve. Schmeichel, Van Nistelrooy, Ole Gunnar, ronaldo, evra, Vidic etc...
I can't think of anything Martial's superior at to be honest. No doubt it's Mbappe's understanding of the game now that is the biggest difference between the two of them, but I'm hopeful Martial will develop that side of his game over time. His best qualities - dribbling and finishing - seem clumsy and tame in comparison to Mbappe.
Looking at this and your other posts it seems that you missed the point. It's definitely not laughable to suggest that Martial has better technique, even if some will argue with that.
Overall, as a footballer, Mbappe has shown more; his off the ball movement (probably Martial's biggest weakness) is absolutely magnificent and is already on par with the best in the world. But if we compare their touch and dribbling, Martial's is better in my opinion, and many will agree with me. Again, it doesn't make him a better player
RVN has two solid seasons scoring goals and goals was 24. Solskjear proven goalscoring for the national team. Ronaldo made his debut at 16 scoring on his debut, whilst everyone in world football was aware of his and Quaresma's talent. Evra, check his club history. Basically what are you talking about, we can't pinch every good player for other teams academy's.
Well what are every single club's scouts other than those that signed them doing then?
That's until we sign him (hypothetically) and he starts having average games between a few great ones, then you'll find another player, who doesn't play for us. Then you'd be saying both Martial and Mbappe couldn't lace his boots.
Martial is an amazing talent. He's had a poor season, but you cannot deny his quality, he will come good again.
Is he worth the risk of a 130M investment? Yes, without a shadow of doubt. This isn't Freddy Adu, you can see his level within the first five minutes yesterday.
He is 18 years old with the skill and confidence of an experienced heavyweight, it's unheard of actually. His touch is wicked and his pace is frightening, when has anyone ever had that touch at his age before? Just look at that run in the first half yesterday where he controls the ball, runs a good stretch before perfectly weighting the ball to Lemar/Dembele or someone else who missed to the right. One situation doesn't tell the whole story of course, but 9 out of 10 players would have missed that pass - just like Dembele did in the second half with a similar-ish situation. Look at the calmness he showed when he got the ball, made a move and hit the bar in the second half. Sure the finish was not good, but the way he made the shot possible was just very good for any player.
What are you paying for? Extreme talent, great level already, longevity - with the possibility of unlocking the next Ronaldo/Henry combined. Of course he is worth 130M. To be honest, if goes for 130M to Real Madrid this summer - I am 100% sure we will say "what a f'n bargain in three years".
He is 18 years old with the skill and confidence of an experienced heavyweight, it's unheard of actually. His touch is wicked and his pace is frightening, when has anyone ever had that touch at his age before? Just look at that run in the first half yesterday where he controls the ball, runs a good stretch before perfectly weighting the ball to Lemar/Dembele or someone else who missed to the right. One situation doesn't tell the whole story of course, but 9 out of 10 players would have missed that pass - just like Dembele did in the second half with a similar-ish situation. Look at the calmness he showed when he got the ball, made a move and hit the bar in the second half. Sure the finish was not good, but the way he made the shot possible was just very good for any player.
What are you paying for? Extreme talent, great level already, longevity - with the possibility of unlocking the next Ronaldo/Henry combined. Of course he is worth 130M. To be honest, if goes for 130M to Real Madrid this summer - I am 100% sure we will say "what a f'n bargain in three years".
He may be a great talent, but he's very young and we need someone who's almost certain to deliver the goods right now. Mbappé could have a poor second season before he picks up again, especially if adjusting to the EPL, and we can't have that. So he's not right for United at this time.
Did you not just see him destroy the French league, the CL, and terrorise an England 3 man defence by himself?
The guy is performing RIGHT NOW.
Funny how when he's ripping the world to bits everybody will moan "oh why weren't we interested, all the best players go to Madrid bla bla"
This. So many people here too reactionary and with unbelievably unrealistic expectations. We can't just buy every shiny new toy that comes along. Lets celebrate and get behind the young talents we have instead of moaning over unattainable ones we don't have.
But it hasn't really been followed up, has it? I'm not hearing anywhere that Mourinho is on him and a lot more on Morata and other targets instead. Di Marzio is good, but not infallible.
He is obviously very good. He may be tremendous. Buuuuuuuuut Il Fenomino..... Luis Ronaldo is the greatest 18 year old the world has ever or will ever see.
Dembele may be slightly more attainable, but France have two once in a generation forwards at the same time.
The difference is still there between the Spanish two and the rest. There is 'good', even 'great' or 'very good' that PL money can buy. There is just that extremely thin layer of cream right at the top that appears to be limited to two clubs. Pogba is probably the one exception to that, but the Balon'Dor has been dominated by those clubs for a decade, and last time PL had one, it was with a player who was obviously going to end up at Real. Now Barca and Real are in the hearts and minds of Mbappé and Dembele.
The difference is still there between the Spanish two and the rest. There is 'good', even 'great' or 'very good' that PL money can buy. There is just that extremely thin layer of cream right at the top that appears to be limited to two clubs. Pogba is probably the one exception to that, but the Balon'Dor has been dominated by those clubs for a decade, and last time PL had one, it was with a player who was obviously going to end up at Real. Now Barca and Real are in the hearts and minds of Mbappé and Dembele.
Agree to disagree, I guess. Martial is inconsistent (although we'll see how Mbappe performs next season, pretty sure that he'll be affected by the second season syndrome), but at his best his touch and dribbling is mesmerizing - and I haven't seen anything like that from Mbappe. He is stylistically closer to Rashford (although better, of course), and the "lack" of world class dribbling ability doesn't limit his game.
It will be interesting to compare them two or three seasons later, which qualities will they develop etc.
Yep, that's exactly how the caf works. One bad season and he goes from our saviour to a nothing player. Shine's gone and all, new toys plzzz.
How does that work?
twice a generation players it is then. If someone young and exciting comes around within three years we make that thrice a generation players.
Mbappe's plan must be to stay in Monaco for one more year and try to lead the team to another league title if possible. Then become a starter for France in the world cup. After that, move to Real Madrid as Benzema's replacement.
Pogba is a real strength for us when it comes to attracting this new generation of French talent. Lets hope they like the guy and enjoy playing with him. I am sure they did last night.
OK, by right now I mean all of next season, and he's likely to be inconsistent in the EPL, plus everybody would be aware of him and focus on stopping him. He's not low profile any more. We could buy 2 players who would improve us a lot for the price of 1 Mbappé. RM can do it because the have so much quality anyway and he wouldn't carry their attack. We're in a different situation. If we buy him, he MUST score loads of goals in his first season here or we're fecked. This is just a hypothetical discussion anyway, because we're probably not his preferred destination.
more likely it was clear after the first bid was rejected that hewas either unattainable or would have cost too much
as somebody else said, united really couldn't afford a non-mind-blowing first season out of him. Unlike real madrid
I wonder what Trevor Francis thinks of all this, being the first 1million quid transfer player.
I wonder what Luis Ronaldo thinks of this market. At 18 he would have cost about 250 million.
To those saying we shouldn't be in for him at €120m, which striker would you rather have at the prices being mentioned for them?
I'm comparing the two in the present not what happened in the past. If you had a chance of having either one but not both. Who would you pick to play for Utd
Indeed. Mbappe in terms of talent I'd rather liken him to Neymar. Which still at this financial climate 120-130m is a risk but a risk worth taking.
He's not close to Fenomeno/Pele, but those two are once of a lifetime players. Fenomeno at PSV was tearing it even at early age. He was taking entire defences on and beating them for fun.
This reminds me a little bit of the situation with Harry Kane after the 14/15 season. Some wanted him, but others were dismissing him on the basis of him being a one season wonder. Of course the latter have been proven wrong and now we would have to pay significantly more than we would've had to back then.
Obviously that doesn't mean Mbappe will show similar consistency, but that the key question isn't it? A question of form/circumstances vs ability. With Mbappe the risk isn't the price going up if we choose to wait, but instead it's the risk of losing him to another club like Real Madrid. Personally I think the hype is justified, and would love him here even for the prices quoted. Even if he tries to leave later on, his value is only going to increase if Madrid come in for him.
Obviously that doesn't mean Mbappe will show similar consistency, but that the key question isn't it? A question of form/circumstances vs ability. With Mbappe the risk isn't the price going up if we choose to wait, but instead it's the risk of losing him to another club like Real Madrid. Personally I think the hype is justified, and would love him here even for the prices quoted. Even if he tries to leave later on, his value is only going to increase if Madrid come in for him.
You can only look at the players as they performed recently, and for me martial hasn't done any dribbling worthy of note. As I have said to someone else on here if you could pick one or the other to play for Utd next season surely it would be mbappe
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