Frank Grimes
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Mbappe will play for Monaco next season imo. There might be a verbal agreement, with most likely Real Madrid, that he joins them next season
The scouts can't predict the future. 100 million is too risky for an 18 year old who had one good season.
Gotze?Wenger is both a notorious cheapskate and one of the most astute judges of young talent in the game. Arsenal won't land Mbappe but the very fact that Wenger is willing to bid £100m for an 18-year-old tells you all you need to know about his talent level. He is the best teenage player since Messi and serious people in the game realize that and are trying to figure out what it might be worth in the new financial environment. There hasn't really been another player like this since football finances and transfer fees went through the roof over the last decade.
Gotze?
Mbappe's much more talented than Sterling, I feel.Sterling?
Gotze had nothing compared. He was a tidy player, that's it.Gotze?
135m +1?
I'd like to something from those that doubt him, what in his game do you think he can improve to be a blue chip player? What weaknesses have you spotted that makes you think he'd struggle on not live up to expectation?
Gotze?
Doesn't hold up the ball, heading ability is just about average for a striker, likes to take every goal on his right foot, goes in and out of the game like any other young player.
I am among those who believe that we need more experienced player for the #9 role.I'd like to something from those that doubt him, what in his game do you think he can improve to be a blue chip player? What weaknesses have you spotted that makes you think he'd struggle on not live up to expectation?
Why would he take goals with his left foot when he doesn't have to? And 5 goals with his left foot aren't enough?
This especially when you compare our squad quality to other CL teams that we're competing against."Manchester United posted operating income of $288 million — more than Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool combined"
Can we start acting like it then and buy. Yes we bought Pogba, I know. But we need another window of mega investment. Sadly our squad is lacking WC talents.
Why would he hold the ball up when he can turn and drive at the defence? far more dangerous move. He finishes well with either foot, so dont quite understand the left foot comment cant say ive noticed the last one when his team has managed to find him.Doesn't hold up the ball, heading ability is just about average for a striker, likes to take every goal on his right foot, goes in and out of the game like any other young player.
His current performance level is that of a great player, not a great prospect and that's the big difference between him and the other youngsters. The youngsters we have a great prospects, but not really getting it done to an elite level. He had teams on toast in the CL, the highest level of club football.I am among those who believe that we need more experienced player for the #9 role.
Kylian Mbappe is a teenage prodigy. Agreed. But signing him comes with a lot of caveats.
1) Is he experienced enough to lead the line for the whole course of season?
2) Does he fit the profile Mourinho wants?
3) What are we supposed to do with two very talented strikers within our own ranks (Marcus and Martial)?
We just can't keep stockpiling talents. We are in a state of transition and we need strong shoulders to carry the burden next season. There is no question of quality. But when you look at the prices quoted, it really makes you think that we could do with other players for other needed areas.
He is young and he needs freedom to explode. Under mourinho who demands so much from a #9, it would be difficult for him to adapt and not to mention the burden of price tag that comes with it.
We need a first team player whereas RM are going for the investment for the future. They don't need any significant improvement in any area of the pitch and they might have a quiet window just like last season. Benzema will still be starting games next season whereas we don't have a starting striker.
It's just not the right time for Kylian to make a move to Utd. I would have loved him here, but not now when our wings are crying out loud for investment.
I don't see the point for United to attempt to sign him. If he turns good, he'll just force a move to play for Madrid in his prime ala Ronaldo all over again. Is Real really going to pay £150 for him in 3 years? Maybe.
It's not that I wouldn't want to flourish at United, but just seems a short sighted prospect that the better he performs, the more he'll push to move in the future. I don't think United should be signing players that don't want to play here long term. Especailly paying top dollar for a young prodigy that we all know we can't keep.
Why would he hold the ball up when he can turn and drive at the defence? far more dangerous move. He finishes well with either foot, so dont quite understand the left foot comment cant say ive noticed the last one when his team has managed to find him.
Out of context it is ridiculous. Productivity's rightly a big aspect of how you judge talent- but Gotze made a bigger statistical contribution to Dortmund's overall haul in that season, than Mbappe to Monaco. It's impressive that he was one of the best parts of one of the best attack-forces in Europe, and never looked out of place even as the stakes were raised, that's true. Gotze didn't play on a similar stage in his season but talent is subjective, and to my untrained eye, he looked more the generational talent than Mbappe does now.Gotze looked like a massive prospect during his breakout season at 18 but he was not on Mbappe's level in terms of either talent or production.
I think many people don't quite understand how ridiculous it is that Mbappe scored 26 goals and 14 assists in 2600 minutes at 18-years-old. Gotze was one of the most productive 18-year-olds in recent memory and only had 8 goals and 16 assists in 3000 minutes. Cristiano Ronaldo had 6 goals and 7 assists in 2300 minutes at this age. Etc.
Holding the ball, bringing others into the game is an essential part of the game. Especially in one man striker systems that most teams play.
Already conceded that my comment about his lack of left footed goals was too harsh.
I'd like to something from those that doubt him, what in his game do you think he can improve to be a blue chip player? What weaknesses have you spotted that makes you think he'd struggle on not live up to expectation?
At this outrageous price, you can imagine what the pundits will be saying already:
- 'At the price United paid, you would be expecting the finished article already.'
- 'For that price, United could have got Harry Kane'
- 'One for the future'
- ''City's Jesus is now looking more and more like the steal of the century''
This will probably be true Him and Sane look like ridiculously good purchases.
Sane we knew but (Brazilian) Jesus (not the 2nd coming) came out of nowhere.
Not really. He was highly rated in Brazil.
He can bring others into play, he just most of the time decides to go at the defence. He has shown a very high level of football IQ creating numerous chances regardless of the side of the field he is on. He's very strong on the ball so its not like it bounces off him with a bad touch ala Lukaku.Holding the ball, bringing others into the game is an essential part of the game. Especially in one man striker systems that most teams play.
Already conceded that my comment about his lack of left footed goals was too harsh.
The thing is though, normally youngsters don't perform like he did for their first season. This is quite obviously not a normal player. We saw it with Rooney, the only time they've come up with solutions on how to stop him he's effectively been in decline, and its been that way for years.Not so much as weaknesses being apaprent but normally young players tend to struggle for form in the 2nd season when the defending on them is harder and more focused than before. I personally have no idea about he will perform nor will I make a prediction, I think he has a high self belief and he said that if he goes to Real Madrid, it won't be to warm the bench, he'll go and work hard to be a starter. He truly believes that so at least we know he isn't a shy boy and when he said it wasn't in any arrogant way.
He is a bit of a phenomenom alright but expectations still have to be contained regarding him. At least one full season of good performances (not even similar to those past 6 months) would tell me for sure he is the real deal. He looks like the real deal, I'm just being patient.The thing is though, normally youngsters don't perform like he did for their first season. This is quite obviously not a normal player. We saw it with Rooney, the only time they've come up with solutions on how to stop him he's effectively been in decline, and its been that way for years.
But you said that based on result Manchester United haven't been a top team? So surely Spurs who have done better the Manchester United are a bigger team.
You can say "a clubs size is based on results" and then say "you can call Spurs a big team based on results".
Just admit you were wrong in calling Manchester United a smaller club based on results
Not every talented player is going to be as good as Henry. He played one very good season so anyways he should stay another season there imoIt's actually not at all.
If scouts at all the major clubs think he has the potential to become, say, Henry-level, then it makes perfect sense.
Can you imagine what an 18 year old Henry would be worth in this day and age? Or in five years when he is 23 and fees have continued to appreciate?
Business risk. An investment that could potentiallly pay off massively... or not. That's why it's 100 million not 200.
I think people are also failing to acknowledge
that it's unlike anyone is paying 100 million for him.
It's more like 60 plus 40+ in performance clauses.
"Manchester United posted operating income of $288 million — more than Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool combined"
Can we start acting like it then and buy. Yes we bought Pogba, I know. But we need another window of mega investment. Sadly our squad is lacking WC talents.