We don't need a young striker anyway, We have Martial and Rashford. We should be going for someone older. Maybe 25-27 yrs old.
Kylian Mbappé joins PSG on one year loan with option to buy
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We don't need a young striker anyway, We have Martial and Rashford. We should be going for someone older. Maybe 25-27 yrs old.
He's definitely got 20 goals in him. The prospect of him linking up with the likes of Ibra and Mkhitaryan is incredible.
Actually he's not really suited to playing with Ibra as Ibra takes much too long on the ball, @JPRouve made an excellent point the other day about how Griezmann excels when the ball is moved quickly in the final 3rd, something we rarely do as Ibra likes to dwell on it.
Would be a dream scenario if they all clicked, to be sure.
A bit unfair on Ibra, I think. A lot of the times he's dwelt on the ball is due to poor movement, slow thinking from those around him. Some of our Nicest goals, not scored by Ibra, have involved him in the build up.
Hope we don't get him. We have two youngsters just as good if not better than this guy. People have ridiculously short memories on here.
Monaco seem to have replaced Dortmund as the new hipsters choice club.
Monaco seem to have replaced Dortmund as the new hipsters choice club.
Griezmann definitely has more chance of hitting the ground running. Mbappe will be one of the best players in the world in due time, but who knows how long that will take. He's had a good second half to his season, but he's still only 18 and young players all go through spells of very patchy form. It's how they learn the game. As we have Rashford and Martial, I don't think we can reasonably accommodate Mbappe and expect it to be a ready made attack.
The only issue with Griezmann is that he seems to be content to stay in Spain. In his recent interviews he's talking about the weather, which instinctively makes me do a double take after the Di Maria debacle. On the other hand, he's a fan of the club, so we shouldn't have the same problem with him. If he came, he should in theory be motivated to thrive.
I think Mbappe would be smart to stay at Monaco for at least another season. Monaco would be smart to cash in now.
The only issue with Griezmann is that he seems to be content to stay in Spain. In his recent interviews he's talking about the weather, which instinctively makes me do a double take after the Di Maria debacle. On the other hand, he's a fan of the club, so we shouldn't have the same problem with him. If he came, he should in theory be motivated to thrive.
I think Mbappe would be smart to stay at Monaco for at least another season. Monaco would be smart to cash in now.
I'm talking about their potential. Bale was never be predicted to be as amazing as he is right now when he was a left back but he reached his level through hardworking and being professional. But Rooney, Ronaldo and Messi back then had higher potential than Bale was when they were all youngster.
Not writing Rashford off but right now his potential isn't on the same level as Rooney, Messi and Ronaldo were when they were in the same age or youngsters.
That's why when I heard you said he's just on the level of Rashford not Rooney then he's not that special. Rashford potential right now is only up to world class or top class. While Rooney, Messi and Ronaldo back then had potential to win Ballon d'or in the future. Players like Ronaldinho, Pele, Maradona, Zidane, Ronaldo were special. Is Mbappe in the same category??
I think that's a bit unfair on our other attackers, especially Mata and Mkhi who have excellent movement off the ball. I think with Ibra it's not always him ball hogging, sometimes it's that he's slow to move with it and thus the moment has gone for him to release it.
Potential is unquantifiable to a certain extent. Yes, you can say that a player has the talent to rise to the very top and it looks like Mbappe could do that but talent is only a small part of what it takes to get there. Too many variables to accurately judge without some kind of leap of faith being involved.
What a brilliant news to wake up to, its good we are after him, not sure about the cash though.
Let's make it clear.
Rooney 17 and 18 years old > Rashford 18 years old
Rooney 17, 18, 19 years old > Rashford 19 years old
Owen 17 and 18, 19 years old > Rashford 18 years old
Owen 17, 18, 19 years old > Rashford 19 years old
Rooney 17 and 18 years old > Mbappe 18 years old
Owen 17 and 18 years old > Mbappe 18 years old
Am I right? Either if they can reach their potential or no is different story.
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Because so far from what I read on your post, you make him sounds like we must sign him in any cost because he has potential to be like Pele.
I haven't watch him properly and that's why I made a question how good this guy is compare to Rooney was. If he's on the same level as Rashford then he's not as special as what you think.
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This story makes me angry tbh. In excess of 100m for an unproven up and coming talent is just preposterous. Seems to me the club is desperate to flex it's financial muscle every other transfer window. We need a sporting director because it's been proven time and again that people doing our transfer buissness know feck all about football.
Thinks he's at the same level at Owen at the same age. I saw Owen broke through and I got the same feeling when I watched Mbappé this year.
Have to say teenage Rooney was a level or half a level below Owen since he never gave you a sense of consistency while Owen kept scoring difficult goals match after match after match. In fact, at that time he made Fowler, who's brilliant in his own right, looked a bit average. And I think Rooney will be better compared to Fowler than Owen at their peaks (not style of play but performance level).
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I know the comparisons are boring but he really does remind me of a less polished Henry, strong and fast with bags of skill.
For €110m we should better get Fabinho, Mendy and Mbappé 
€110m for a promising youngster though...
If he signs , stays as long as Rooney did and comes close or even breaks Rooney's record we'll be looking back at the fee and thinking Bargain. On the other hand he could become a world beater and at age 23 pushes for a move to Madrid. We'd probably receive a world record fee though so wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
feck it Woody do it!
feck it Woody do it!
Come on Woody, give us the Mfappé
He isn't moving without guarantee of game time, you can be sure of that. So unless Mourinho offered him something that he doesn't generally offer, it's probably not an accurate report.
Didn't this get nipped in the bud by Monaco more or less straight away last night?
Thinking about this more, our club would become the laughing stock of Europe if we spent €110m on an 18 year-old. Not that it matters much what other people think.
Overall I'd rather wait another year than spend such an astronomical fee on this kid.
Overall I'd rather wait another year than spend such an astronomical fee on this kid.
I must say that the prospect of a front three of Mbappé, Martial and Rashford is extremely exciting, and if it works, will absolutely destroy this league.
A front three of Griezmann, Martial and Rashford would also be massive though tbh.
I also think people shouldn't look at the age too much. I know if we signed him people are concerned we have '3 young strikers' etc, but the game is changing. Next season Martial will be 21 in his third year in England. Rashford similar. That is a fair amount of experience.
Also, many top players are great when young and continue like that, simply because they are that good. R9 never 'developed', he just 'arrived'. Messi was also very special from very young.
Ultimately, it is at this end of the market that the real top money will be spent in future anyway. Once great players establish themselves at big clubs, they do not move anyway, and if hey do, it is usually under circumstances that mean they go for a lower fee. I think the whole 'arms race' element of the market dictates that the next big thing is where most money will be spent.
A front three of Griezmann, Martial and Rashford would also be massive though tbh.
I also think people shouldn't look at the age too much. I know if we signed him people are concerned we have '3 young strikers' etc, but the game is changing. Next season Martial will be 21 in his third year in England. Rashford similar. That is a fair amount of experience.
Also, many top players are great when young and continue like that, simply because they are that good. R9 never 'developed', he just 'arrived'. Messi was also very special from very young.
Ultimately, it is at this end of the market that the real top money will be spent in future anyway. Once great players establish themselves at big clubs, they do not move anyway, and if hey do, it is usually under circumstances that mean they go for a lower fee. I think the whole 'arms race' element of the market dictates that the next big thing is where most money will be spent.
As @Raoul said above, it depends on the structure of the deal.
And I'm not sure laughing stock would be the right term. Probably a combination of amazement and envy as we're not talking about a complete unknown - he's one of the most hyped youngsters in World football at the minute.
That's retarded
Why would Cope have this exclusive? This story is BS.
If our manager was Guardiola, then sure I'd have stock in such a front three. I really don't think Mourinho will ever line up with a first choice front 3 so young.
Nobody does anything until they do it.
Personally, I'm not sure half as many things I've heard categorised as a 'Mourinho
Way' is as cast-iron as implied. I think he, and all other top coaches, can be adaptable. It's a necessity in the business I think.
Same was said about him being a defensive coach, yet he played attacking, dominating football until like a few weeks ago. It's obvious he's willing to try and adapt to the United way.
He's already began to revert to type with his 6 and 7 at the backs in recent weeks when the chips are a little down... Let's see what happens next season, I think that's where he has opportunity to take the team truly where he wants it to go.
Prediction: This thread will eclipse the Pogba transfer thread by 31st August 2017.
Also easy to forget Madrid attack was not in their mid 20s when he took over in 2010.
Ronaldo (26), Ozil (22), Benzema (23), Di Maria (23) was the attack. All were youngish players except Ronaldo.
How many times did he play with 6 and 7 at the back? He played that in 1 game that too for 20 mins when we were winning 2-0.
I think it's worth spunking 110 million on him just so we can use Hansons fine lyrics "Mbappé, du dabba dop, ba du bop, ba du bop, ba du bop, ha du bop, ba du oh yeah, in an Mbappé they're gone yeah!" I can really see that working on the terraces.
That's nowhere near the same as Martial (21), Rashford (19), Mbappe (18), is it?
No it's not same but Jose did play with youngish attack with Madrid.
6 and 7 at the back is not 'type' for him. There has always been some ridiculous snobbishness towards him in England, where the only thing anyone cares about is 'pace' simply because he places value in defending well. It is important. Still, his first Chelsea team was brilliant going forward too.
Tactics and game management is his job too. If he feels that Boro's only plan to get back into the game is to throw long balls into the box, so he put on an extra centre half to cover the width of the box, that is fine by me. We had already built a lead, we were now trying to defend it. He didn't start with 6 defenders, and Young and Valencia are only classified as 'defenders' in that game to suit narrative anyway. They were as much 'wingers' as they were defenders, with one of them scoring a goal and the other creating one too!
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