He does look truly special (like potentially the best player of his generation special), and I'd love for us to sign him, whatever the amount. Too much noise coming out from Madrid though, and I think it is where he'll end up.
Kylian Mbappé joins PSG on one year loan with option to buy
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How would he fit in if we managed to get him? Would it mean Martial is going to be moved on or stuck on the left permanently? He has mentioned he sees his future in the middle.
Special like how ? Everything I've seen so far shows a promising young player, but nothing more.
He runs very fast, scores many goals. Hard stuff that looks very simple when he does it.
Ahh ok. So a bit like the new Memphis then.
I tend to agree. Madrid lost out to Barca in relation to Neymar. If Mbappe is honestly viewed as a similar talent (I personally haven't seen enough of him to judge), then they wouldn't want it to happen again.
Then again, at the end of the day, money talks. If we're willing to pay a high enough price - transfer fee, agent fees and wages - we'd clearly have a good chance of landing the player. Certainly the Pogba deal has proven that.
Memphis Depay never played at his level.
I think Monaco have got an auction going. They will want top money and will know its write time to cash him in as hype is very high.
I think Mbappe is fantastic talent but 80 million/100 million is what you pay for the best 5 players in the world, mbappe simply isnt one right now.
Its like us asking 50 million for rashford just cause he scored a couple against arse/city. I think monaco will want that price but any deal will be like the martial deal.
Something like-
Initial fee-40 million
Scores 20 goals/season-10 million
Plays for france for set number of games-10 million
Wins world player of year-20 million
You can add clauses like that for various amounts, no way he goes for a direct 80 million let alone a 100 million euro payment.I am pretty sure it will be like martial with 35 million rising to 56 million depending on various clauses. And you hope you end up paying that as that will gift you trophies and a fantastic player.
I think Mbappe is fantastic talent but 80 million/100 million is what you pay for the best 5 players in the world, mbappe simply isnt one right now.
Its like us asking 50 million for rashford just cause he scored a couple against arse/city. I think monaco will want that price but any deal will be like the martial deal.
Something like-
Initial fee-40 million
Scores 20 goals/season-10 million
Plays for france for set number of games-10 million
Wins world player of year-20 million
You can add clauses like that for various amounts, no way he goes for a direct 80 million let alone a 100 million euro payment.I am pretty sure it will be like martial with 35 million rising to 56 million depending on various clauses. And you hope you end up paying that as that will gift you trophies and a fantastic player.
To me its possible Real putting out these stories to look like they have beaten us to the kid despite us putting all this money on the table. That presupposes they have already made their deal with Monaco.
What level is that ? Mbappe is 18.
If they are putting these stories out then they are going to have to meet the price in them, not exactly sound business just so they can say they beat us to him.
Knock-out stage CL goals and scoring regularly in a top 5 league. You've taken one of your hard stances on this kid like you wont hear a bad word about Strootman, but if we buy him don't you think Jose has given the go ahead?
That's not really saying much. Strootman, for better or worse, is in his late 20s and has 7 or more years of Football in Holland and Italy and with the Netherlands that can be assessed. This kid is 18. Nothing against him, but I get the impression the self reinforcing herd behavior is beginning to drive people to not think about this in a rational and sober way.
Strootman was a player you were backing the buying of back when he was at PSV and Moyes was linked with him, in truth he's done less of note over those 7 years than Mbappe has done if we are talking about influencing big games, he could end up being the spearheard that sees Monaco break the dominance of a billioanire's plaything in France, that's not to be sniffed at IMO. Personally I'm on neither side of this but as for the herd mentality, take out the fans, do you think if the club has made offers that they are herding?
That's a pretty bizarre comparison to make. The players aren't even remotely similar in terms of experience, position, or any other category. I rate Strootman highly and hope we buy him. This kid reminds me a bit of a young Memphis who likes to run at people. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not gleefully dive into empty swimming pools until he actually does something to warrant the hype.
My point is that they may have already made a deal with Monaco and this is just manipulation to later look as if they have beaten us to the kid despite all our money on the table. Conspiracy theory kind of stuff. Just throwing it out there.
Isn't that the risk with all precocious young talents, though? They only way he can live up to the hype is to repeat his great form in a bigger league for a bigger team.
True, but its always a big risk to break the bank for a relatively unproven player. Its great that he's in the CL and is scoring goals in France, but I think it would be better to let him develop another year or two before attempting to buy him. If he's as good as his hype then he will have a massive year in France next year, at which point he could be looked at as Zlatan leaves.
It wasn't a comparison, just pointing out you were keen on a player 4 years ago who'd done nothing and are still keen on him 4 years on when he still hasn't done anything and has had a very serious knee injury, while conversely this kid has lit up the knockout stages of the CL and has scored 13 goals in Ligue 1 for the team sitting on top of it going up against a team that has outspent them tendfold. I don't really see the comparison to Memphis who did what he did at a lower level and is not nearly as fast or athletic as Mbappe is. As for the diving into empty swimming pools, my question is again, remove the Caf and what if it is the club that is buying into is hype? Do you think maybe they see more than you have? I mean how many times have you seen him play? I'd wager we've been scouting him all season.
Fair enough, I just don't see them bothering with something elaborate like this, especially when we are probably going to be doing business with them in the near future anyway for De Gea.
This is fine in theory but is surely dependent on how highly our club scouts rate him in relation to whether we sit back and let someone else take him because we wanted to wait another year.
That would be the way I'd want to do it too. Thing is, he could be in Madrid by then taking the world by storm whilst we're left searching for the next big thing. It's a risk either way.
How good this guy if we compare him to Rooney back then?
If we want a striker and challenging the league next season, get the proven one like what we did on Cole, RVN and RVP not a player who is only labelled as ''promising'' unless if this guy was as amazing as Rooney was when they both were in the same age.
If we want a striker and challenging the league next season, get the proven one like what we did on Cole, RVN and RVP not a player who is only labelled as ''promising'' unless if this guy was as amazing as Rooney was when they both were in the same age.
He's burst onto the scene (and into the first team) very suddenly, it seems and hasn't really stopped scoring. More Rashford than Rooney, I'd say.
Four years ago Strootman was 23 and coming off a great year in Holland and had just moved to Roma and was an established player in LvG's Holland. Again, this kid is 18. Its a bit like comparing Januzaj's run during the year Moyes was here with an established player in their early/mid twenties.
I don't have a case of FOMO with Mbappe. Griezmann imo, is essential.
110M Euros for him? 
Give me a break.
Give me a break.110M Euros for him?
Just think of the pressure on a player like that. He'd be expected to be like Ronaldo circa 2007 or else be considered disappointing.
Huh! Pogba has an average game (by any other midfielder's standards) and he's rated as the most expensive flop ever. There'd be even more onus on a young striker who's hyped up to high heaven.
I don't think we should splash money on him this summer if his level is just around Rashford's level. It seems that he can't be guaranteed to solve our problem. People will say ''he's very promising'' and ''soon in the future will be worth a lot of money'', but can he handle the pressure and our expectation to lead United's front line next season? Big Question Mark!
Instead of taking a risk splash money on youngster, might should just splash money on top players that we need. It's not my money but I know our club has certain limit of amount money that we are allowed to spend every season.
Back then I always love us to sign young promising players but that was because we were in glory days and we already had great experience players like Giggs, Scholes, Neville, RVN and Keane or even Rio and Vidic to support the young players. What Manchester United needs right now is get back into the glory days, and it requires top class players.
In our current situation I would rather do what Juve did sign 32 years old Pirlo and solve the midfield problem even if it's just for short term than spend money on someone who can't solve our problem. Players on his current level in his age can be found again in the next few years. No need to make a rush decision. He's not Messi or Ronaldo yet or even Rooney and Neymar.
Hardly, Mbappe is on 19 goals and has stepped up in a CL 2 leg knockout tie scoring in both legs, Januzaj scored a couple of goals against Sunderland. I can see why you think it's too much money but no point trying to discredit the kids impressive performances so far. Will your stance change if the club have made the bid?
FOMO? What if the club want to buy both? What if Griezmann doesn't want to come? What if Jose thinks Mbappe is more suited to his vision for the team?
Yeah. Like I've been saying it would be a massive risk to drop a world record fee on this kid, who could end up no better than what we already have. However, there does seem to be some sort of something special about this lad. Like, once in a generation special. You just never know. Personally, I'm used to having a big powerful target man up front and would love to see Lukaku brought in.
They also play different positions, so you could never expect Januzaj to equal his goal count. People here were completely exuberant about Adnan and some even evoked Ronaldo comparisons.
If Jose buys him then great. It would mean he rates him and has plans to develop him further. I see him as being in the Rashford/Martial type category, and since we already have one of each, I doubt we will compound things by getting another similar player. Griezmann on the other hand will be great.
Agreed. Griezmann, Fabinho, and Bonucci would be great.
As for Mbappe, it would be a massive risk to spend that much on a young player. Unless they set up the contract where we paid 40m up front and the rest in performance bonuses, I hope we stay away, as it would cause problems in buying other players we need.
I thought you said this guy is more like Rashford's level than Rooney. Rashford's level isn't a kind of level that deserves to be labelled as ''once in a generation special'' for a youngster.
Player like Rooney, Ronaldo and Messi's level were but not Rashford.
Well instead of any comparisons just judge the kids performances on their own merit, to me his output is impressive as are his performances in big games.
Ok, so it feels like your bigger concern with this is that it might prevent us buying Griezmann?
No just a more similar type of player to Rashford, than Rooney and the way they both came from nowhere, and broke into the the first team scoring a lot of goals. Also, don't write Rashford off so quickly. Nearly all players get the dreaded second season syndrome.
Yes, I don't think we will buy two expensive attackers, and Griezmann should be the priority. That alone is a near world record fee.
Agreed. Expect much bigger things from Martial and Rashford in the years to come.
Griezmann should be the priority if Jose wants him, I agree, but if Jose feels Mbappe is more what he wants then I'm fine with that, personally I'd prefer Dybala to either lol.
Would be an exciting signing but not at the expense of Griezmann if given the choice.
Is Griezmann a lead the line, 20 goal a season, striker? Isn't he more of an off the front man support striker?
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