Is he really that talented? Just seen clips of the kid and he doesn't look that amazing an all round player. Doesn't seem to have the close control when dribbling that Martial has, nor the all round brilliance of Dembele. The latter to me appears to be a much bigger talent. But then again, there probably isn't a more talented youngster in football than Ousmane Dembele. This guy appears to be more of a goalscorer in comparison.
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I think he's more talented than Dembele who's more talented than Martial, but it's more or less a useless discussion because most players don't fulfill their talent for one reason or another and talent is one of many factors that determine a player's quality.
The great thing about signing this lad is if we do, we can sing that Hanson song from the 90s!
This is a signing I just can't see happening. I haven't seen much of him but aren't we okay in that position with Martial? I get the impression Mbappe is a very similar player. Granted Martial has been poor this season and Jose seems to have a bit of a bone to pick with him so maybe he's on his way out.
If this Mbappe goes anywhere I'd say it'd be Real or even City, I could see them breaking the bank for him this summer with a few of their influential forwards getting on a bit (Silva, Aguero).
If this Mbappe goes anywhere I'd say it'd be Real or even City, I could see them breaking the bank for him this summer with a few of their influential forwards getting on a bit (Silva, Aguero).
Only rugby fans will understand but he is like Beauden Barrett, he isn't flashy but he does almost everything how he is supposed to, when he is supposed to.
I like your logic, there is merit there. There are still some arguments in terms of which league is more intensive. You would need a real analysis of comparative distance covered and work rate/tackles etc between both leagues. I think that the number of games for the teams that challenge on multiple fronts might be the difference in the perception of which league is more demanding physically.
Also, I think that the challenge is playing with players (in our team) that may not be as good as those around him or it could just be down to the synchronicity of the players. They could (his teammates) be faster and therefore suit his game more rather than slowing him down and making him have to stall and think for example.
Did he look against city because they were poor? Does he only play well or to his potential when he feels the cameras are watching? So many questions its hard to say for sure.
I dont think he's more talented tbh than Dembele, he looks to have more to his game overall but Mbappe will turn out to be the better forward/strikers and will be more productive than Dembele. I think Dembele can develop a bit like a Hazard, winger with incredible skill and ability who attracts a lot of defenders and by that making space for others, when he gets loose though, there's no stopping him.
I don't think we have a place for an attacking wide forward or any other flavor of a striker. He seems too similar to what we have. I really think we need a defensive midfilder/destroyer. Damn I must be getting old.
City have Jesus, Sane, Sterling and Iheanacho - all solid prospects for the future if you include the #10 Pep also bought. If we have a manager that is willing and able to manager them, I see no problem
He does not have the dribbling ability of Martial nor Dembele. Those guys have the ball glued to their feet and run against opponents. Mbappe is a different breed. He is not as pleasing to the eye but he is mostly a player who attacks the space and he has something unique: he can spin on himself instantly, from back to goal to a position where he overtakes the defender or the marker. In a counter-attacking unit, he is impossible to play against, plus he does not waste movement. There's no superfluous element to his game.
Neither Dembele nor Martial can do that pivot movement nor do they attack the space like him. He is frightening, a nightmare to play against: he is the real deal.
Neither Dembele nor Martial can do that pivot movement nor do they attack the space like him. He is frightening, a nightmare to play against: he is the real deal.
Jose don't trust Martial and Rashford to perform consistently, what makes you think that Mbappe will be trusted by Jose to perform consistently?
Rashford has played an immense amount of games this season so that doesn't really hold up. Furthermore Martial is incredibly inconsistent, that's why he gets dropped, nothing to do with age. He has also dropped many other older players for being inconsistent.
Dembele is deadly on the turn as well, but I agree with your general point.
They don't all want to play in the same position though, so it's less of a problem.
I actually don't know, have been watching Martial and less frequently Dembele for the last two years, Mbappe's dribbling is not Dembele good but well on par with Martial in my personal opinion.
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Rashford has been played on the wings which isn't his preferred position. TBF to Martial he hasn't been given many chances to perform, he was so good under LVG because he was given chances consistently to perform. Whenever Martial has a bad game Jose has dropped him, which reduces his confidence even further. He hasn't dropped Pogba or Zlatan for being inconsistent.
Give him time to breathe before he is swallowed up by a big club, and burdened with a huge transfer fee, would rather we went all in for Griezmann this summer than this lad.
They have been much more consistent, that's expected as they are older. Zlatan had a patch where he was struggling for goals and missing chances but never a game where he is anonymous, Pogba also never struggles to impose himself on a game and after adjusting to the league he has been pretty great minus two or three appearances. The two you have named are two of our best four players this season alongside Herrera and Valencia. Rashford doesn't get a lot of game time up top because Ibra plays there so that position is taken, by a better player. We also don't know his preferred or his best position yet, he played mainly through the middle last season but he is so new to the professional game it might not even be his true role, he also plays wide for England.
Martial has had a lot of games this season, he is probably our first choice LW right now, there have been times I thought Mourinho was leaving him out for too long, but all in all Martial hasn't deserved more minutes than he has got. Last season is irrelevant as a barometer.
This move makes sense if Mourinho is planning to sell Martial. Wouldn't put it past him to do that. The vast majority of LVG's signings have not exactly been a hit with Mourinho and Martial is no different. It may be a controversial move, but selling Martial would free up funds to buy Mbappe in addition to Griezmann, a DM and an RB.
Personally, I'd prefer to keep the faith with Rashford and Martial for next season and buy more established players for our attack. However, Mbappe is an exciting young talent and despite being concerned about how we would be able to accommodate all of our young talent in the team it would be exciting to see if he can really develop even further with us.
Personally, I'd prefer to keep the faith with Rashford and Martial for next season and buy more established players for our attack. However, Mbappe is an exciting young talent and despite being concerned about how we would be able to accommodate all of our young talent in the team it would be exciting to see if he can really develop even further with us.
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That would require a serious defensive mid to provide balance.
I agree, but the potential of seeing a front 3 of Martial, Rashford, Mbappé all interchanging does excite me. And we can't pretend to be a club that believes you can't win anything with youth. Also as a poster pointed out, it would be a departure from Mourinho's usual ways. (It didn't pan out with Lukaku and De Bruyne, but not a reason to give up)
You could have 2 dms in a 433.
Cracking talent but developing Martial and Rashford should be the priority.
The three of them pretty much play the same two positions. It would make no sense IMO.
The three of them pretty much play the same two positions. It would make no sense IMO.
Can Martial or Mbappe not hypothetically adjust to the right?
Apparently its hard at the professional level. Rashford for instance couldnt do that this year ffs.
The best answer is probably that Messi and Neymar aren't the same players when you switch their positions and we are talking about proper football players. In general when you switch a player's side, you put him in an other world.
Monaco could do worse than sell this lad while these figures are being thrown around.
Quick search and the following are Di Marzio stories:
Done deal/very close: Falcao to City from Monaco, Alves to PSG from Barca, Gaitan to United from Benfica, Sanches to United from Benfica, Aubameyang to City from Dortmund.
United's interest/strong interest in: Benteke, Benatia, Handanovic, Manolas.
Obviously he has and will get some right (incl. Darmian, Romero, Mkhi, Pogba, Zlatan - seems he's worth trusting when it comes to Italian-based players or Raiola clients) but nobody is an oracle when it comes to this stuff.
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I'm an ardent supporter for Mbappe but those figures thrown around for him are absolutely absurd. Would rather spend it on someone more established. The other reason I don't want him here is that he's bound to want to move to Madrid when Perez comes knocking in 2-3 years. As a United supporter I want the best players at the club but more importantly I want those who want to play for us and not use us as a stepping stone for their 'dream' move to Madrid. C Ronaldo is my favorite player of all times but kinda feels like we got the shorter end of the stick because we worked on CR7 and got him to be world class and then Madrid came in and benefitted from us for 6 years and counting.
Well Ibra is pretty old so we can't rely on him forever. And secondly why would replacing Ibra with Mbappe suddenly mean we're shunting the other strikers to the wings? They are currently being shunted to the wings because of Ibra, if anything if he leaves they'd get more of a chance down the middle.
If they are good enough they'll play down the centre, it's as simple as that.
Martial's poor movement makes it almost impossible for him to adjust. Mbappe destroyed City's defense in the Etihad making runs from that side.
Unfortunately that has a good chance of happening to any eventual foreign world class player who has been built up by us or any other team. Madrid or Barca are seen as the pinnacle by a lot of players, especially the very top players.
Too right let them fight it out between them, can never have too much good competition for places,
I think this only happens if Ibra goes, giving us 2 options in each of the front 3 positions.
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Come on Woody. Get your Mbappes out for the lads.
The ball does not stay glued to his feet. It's slightly different but more effective. But the way he moves around the pitch means he doesn't have to pull off insane controls near the byline. He pushes the ball into space when he's dribbling. Martial cuts in and swivels.
In a sense, it is on par but it's a different type.
Reason I ask is because I recall Martial making a cameo or two on the right and it didn't look too bad.
At 20 and 18 they should be adjustable in theory. Neymar and Messi are more established in their positions. It is obviously a big risk though.
In the City game I watched Mbappe spent large periods of the game out on the right side though, scored making a run in behind the defence from the right side too iirc.
It's true there's no real playmaker in that set up, but if we were to adopt a 433, we'd essentially be utilising Pogba as that player by pushing him further up the pitch. If the movement was fluid and the front 3 were constantly rotating I don't think their positions would be important. Only problem to that would be we'd need one or two proper defensive midfielders behind Pogba and Martial isn't the best when it comes to movement off the ball
I cant see how we can win the title next season with a first team that includes Martial, Rashford and Mbappe in it. As talented as they might be, its a huge risk to depend of them to score the goals required next year.
That's true but Mbappe being a Ronaldo fan would want to end up in Madrid just like his idol which makes the chances a lot more of him wanting to go there even he's been happy here. Hence, I wouldn't really want him here. Martial may not be as talented but I think Martial has the talent to go a step further if given the opportunity and more importantly the confidence. He responds a lot better when we and Mourinho start to believe in him.
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