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Oh ffs, he wasn't actually arrested on site? I don't think I ever knew that.

How is that justified? Surely in every shooting the shooter has to be be detained at the very least so they can establish the facts?

How was he found after? What if he couldn't be identified?

As if I was shocked enough.

The cops testified. They didn't realise he was the shooter, saying that many armed individuals put their hands up to show them they aren't a threat,. They pepper sprayed him to get him out of the road when he tried telling them what had happened.

He drove with his friend to his house in Antioch Illinois to tell his mum what had happened, they then went to the police station in Antioch less than an hour and a half after the shootings.
 
We have surnames now. But calling people by surnames is super weird around here. Even our president don't get called by his last name, but Jokowi , which is like calling Donrump for donald trump.
Donrump is quite catchy
 
There are countless videos out there of white men open carrying assault rifles and having no bother, but black men doing the same and getting surrounded by police with guns trained in them.
Exactly. Look at that couple around the same time at this shooting happened. They brought their rifles out to the BLM protesters and only got a slap on the wrist.

If that was a black couple at a trump rally it would be an entirely different scenario.

My post wasn't my personal view or opinion, it was a likely outcome for this made up scenario based on the current climate in America.
 
The cops testified. They didn't realise he was the shooter, saying that many armed individuals put their hands up to show them they aren't a threat,. They pepper sprayed him to get him out of the road when he tried telling them what had happened.

He drove with his friend to his house in Antioch Illinois to tell his mum what had happened, they then went to the police station in Antioch less than an hour and a half after the shootings.
So they thought they were looking for someone else effectively? Not that they just outright ignored it and let him carry on his merry way?
 
Exactly. Look at that couple around the same time at this shooting happened. They brought their rifles out to the BLM protesters and only got a slap on the wrist.

If that was a black couple at a trump rally it would be an entirely different scenario.

My post wasn't my personal view or opinion, it was a likely outcome for this made up scenario based on the current climate in America.

It all depends on your neighborhood. I live in a predominantly white liberal part of town and I've seen black gangs with guns more welcomed than a redneck with guns. Totally different case in other areas of course.
 
Yeah maybe don't chase a guy with a rifle with a handgun yelling get his ass and you won't die ?

Isn't this also the reason chubby kids shouldn't go to a protest with an assault rifle and act as vigilantes?
 
It all depends on your neighborhood. I live in a predominantly white liberal part of town and I've seen black gangs with guns more welcomed than a redneck with guns. Totally different case in other areas of course.
Of course.

I think the route the poster was going was that after this case a precedent has been set that anyone can insert themselves into a situation that they know will cause trouble but as long as they get attacked first before they kill someone they will have a successful self defense case.

I don't think thatl work in every scenario.
 


Probably has been posted but a good video showing what happened that night. One thing for sure is that the police are scumbags. If anyone has any doubts about the shooters motives he's seen making white supremecist hand singles.

I knew nothing about this case.

From watching this video though, I can understand why he was acquitted.

The first guy who is killed is a lunatic, chasing after a man holding a rifle. There is then another man behind him chasing that shoots into the air.

No doubt Rittenhouse is scared at this point and fires off in pure panic.

The whole situation is bonkers and i'll never understand how the public is allowed to roam the streets with rifles and handguns. Madness.
 
If he did, would he have been sent home by policemen?

2 or 3 in particular. I'd actually prefer it if they came out and said so (show some balls) but these nicey nicey posts
"I'm unbiased BUT.." is disengenous.

I admire rittenshouse composure in shooting the guy biceps off first when the glock was aimed at his head and that's about it.
 
Isn't this also the reason chubby kids shouldn't go to a protest with an assault rifle and act as vigilantes?

Closer to reality to say he was acting as security, the mob were acting to mete out vigilante justice on Rittenhouse after the first shooting (which they believe was justified)
 
Closer to reality to say he was acting as security, the mob were acting to mete out vigilante justice on Rittenhouse after the first shooting (which they believe was justified)
Eh, no I'm pretty sure going to a riot with an assault rifle to protect stuff is being a vigilante. But let's call it security, I will change my position to

Isn't that also the reason chubby kids shouldn't go to a riot to act as security.

The dude with the skateboard is guilty of assault if you ask me, sure, but he did get a bit of punishment from Kyle the security guard.

But do you honestly think it's ok that he gets no penalty, slap on the wrist, stern talking to or whatever? I just cannot fathom that. It's like me going to a clash between Ajax and Feyenoord fans with a gun and wait to be attacked and kill people. It's madness. I can even say that I want to shoot Ajax fans a day before. How can you set such a precedent.

Now if his family owned a store there and they were protecting their own property I suppose it would be the American way to shoot all trespassers on sight. But it wasn't and he's not a security guard or police officer, he's a 17 year old redditindoctrinated proud boy sympathiser shitstain who should've been in bed playing with his Hitler and Goering action figures.
 
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Why would a black guy brandishing his gun in a white area be considered as stirring shit up?
Black people have gotten harassed literally for owning a house and walking on pavements so I think that wouldn't go to well with the same lot who have no issue with this guy roaming around openly with a gun.
 
Eh, no I'm pretty sure going to a riot with an assault rifle to protect stuff is being a vigilante. But let's call it security, I will change my position to

Isn't that also the reason chubby kids shouldn't go to a riot to act as security.

The dude with the skateboard is guilty of assault if you ask me, sure, but he did get a bit of punishment from Kyle the security guard.

But do you honestly think it's ok that he gets no penalty, slap on the wrist, stern talking to or whatever? I just cannot fathom that. It's like me going to a clash between Ajax and Feyenoord fans with a gun and wait to be attacked and kill people. It's madness. I can even say that I want to shoot Ajax fans a day before. How can you set such a precedent.

Now if his family owned a store there and they were protecting their own property I suppose it would be the American way to shoot all trespassers on sight. But it wasn't and he's not a security guard or police officer, he's a 17 year old redditindoctrinated proud boy sympathiser shitstain who should've been in bed playing with his Hitler and Goering action figures.

You strike me as a very rational individual who has put a lot of thought into this
 
You strike me as a very rational individual who has put a lot of thought into this
Thank you. I'm also very good at reading sarcasm though.

However, do you think this precedent where someone can go to a riot with a rifle and wait to be attacked so he can kill people in self defence is a good, normal or sustainable thing? Surely there will be I'll willing people who make us of this by trying to get attacked by groups they dislike?

I didn't find that part very irrational honestly. I just wear my lack of objectivity on my sleeve rather than try and hide it. Wink wink nudge nudge.
 
Closer to reality to say he was acting as security, the mob were acting to mete out vigilante justice on Rittenhouse after the first shooting (which they believe was justified)
He said he'd gone there to help a friend protect their business/property yeah?

Wonder why he was wandering around. I'd have thought he just have stayed by/inside that property (that he was helping to protect).
 
He said he'd gone there to help a friend protect their business/property yeah?

Wonder why he was wandering around. I'd have thought he just have stayed by/inside that property (that he was helping to protect).

He'd been separated from the group because of the police pushing their line up the road, and he was heading to the other car source when he got a call from one of his friends saying there was a fire. He asked someone if he could take their extinguisher and if they could come with him, they just gave him the extinguisher.

He then was heading towards where the fire was with a mix of running and walking to catch his breath.

The owners say they didn't give permission now, but they had the keys, the owners took photos with the group, gave them lifts etc. They were evasive on the stand
 
He'd been separated from the group because of the police pushing their line up the road, and he was heading to the other car source when he got a call from one of his friends saying there was a fire. He asked someone if he could take their extinguisher and if they could come with him, they just gave him the extinguisher.

He then was heading towards where the fire was with a mix of running and walking to catch his breath.

The owners say they didn't give permission now, but they had the keys, the owners took photos with the group, gave them lifts etc. They were evasive on the stand
A security guard, an EMT and now a fire-fighter.

Multi talented.
 
He'd been separated from the group because of the police pushing their line up the road, and he was heading to the other car source when he got a call from one of his friends saying there was a fire. He asked someone if he could take their extinguisher and if they could come with him, they just gave him the extinguisher.

He then was heading towards where the fire was with a mix of running and walking to catch his breath.

The owners say they didn't give permission now, but they had the keys, the owners took photos with the group, gave them lifts etc. They were evasive on the stand
So was playing fireman Sam too, while having a AR15 hanging off his shoulder.

Had no business taking out fires and going into those areas, it's like throwing a lit match into a box of fireworks.
 
You strike me as a very rational individual who has put a lot of thought into this
You could at least answer me on my question about the precedent this sets and your view on it. I'm genuinely interested.
 
So we can call him a security guard, an EMT and a firefighter despite him being none of those things but we can’t call him a murderer after he’s killed two people. Ok then.
 
We have surnames now. But calling people by surnames is super weird around here. Even our president don't get called by his last name, but Jokowi , which is like calling Donrump for donald trump.
If that is the reason why you used the first name, along with the typing on the phone, then the wrong person behind the post got caught in the fire and I'm sorry for that, even if I stand by the use of the first name as clearly signifying closeness and familiarity in this context, no matter whether you intend it to.
And, while I'm sorry if the insinuation of instinctively buddying up was wrongfully directed at you, it still stands and who knows, you might also want to take notice of that.

Ultimately, we are not dealing here with each other as persons as much as with each other's posts. I can't know more about you than what I read which also means I would never address, attack, or argue with, more of you than what I read - the aim isn't to insult you as a person, just as I'm not actually worried or offended if you say you might shoot me :lol:
 
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You could at least answer me on my question about the precedent this sets and your view on it. I'm genuinely interested.

Doesn't set any precedent. A lot of the narrative around the case is utter bullshit and anyone who goes to intentionally provoke a situation to get away with a kill is ignorant as well as psychotic and will end up severely punished, or dead before they are arrested.
 
Speaking of the whole thing what to people think about looting and arson? Like setting dozens of cars on fire? Would you want them convicted or just get away with it because it's just like a just cause?
 
Doesn't set any precedent. A lot of the narrative around the case is utter bullshit and anyone who goes to intentionally provoke a situation to get away with a kill is ignorant as well as psychotic and will end up severely punished, or dead before they are arrested.
The narrative that he was decidedly antagonistic towards people in this riot even saying if I had my AR I would shoot these people. Then proceed to insert himself in the riot and do exactly that?

How would this be different than going to the next riot with an AR 15 secretly hoping you can kill someone in self defense? Which part would be impossible? I honestly don't see it.

I do agree on the psychotic and ignorant part. Kyle Rittenhouse obviously needs mental help.
 
Speaking of the whole thing what to people think about looting and arson? Like setting dozens of cars on fire? Would you want them convicted or just get away with it because it's just like a just cause?
Start a thread.
 
Speaking of the whole thing what to people think about looting and arson? Like setting dozens of cars on fire? Would you want them convicted or just get away with it because it's just like a just cause?
I remember discussions about this last year and someone said it's a non-issue as businesses have insurance and all that. Meanwhile forgetting that plenty of these smaller businesses were minority-owned with not-so-good insurance.

There's a New York Times article on it describing their struggle to recover.
 
Doesn't set any precedent. A lot of the narrative around the case is utter bullshit and anyone who goes to intentionally provoke a situation to get away with a kill is ignorant as well as psychotic and will end up severely punished, or dead before they are arrested.

I think Cuomo encapsulated everything last night. The WI law was incredibly bad the way it was written.

 
I remember discussions about this last year and someone said it's a non-issue as businesses have insurance and all that. Meanwhile forgetting that plenty of these smaller businesses were minority-owned with not-so-good insurance.

There's a New York Times article on it describing their struggle to recover.

Well I just remember footage from that night and I wonder when people feel entitled to burn down people's private property. As a matter of principle I would want someone burning down my stuff arrested and convicted. For people who think that is off-topic people are linking his not-guilty verdict with the rise of Nazi Germany.
 
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If that is the reason why you used the first name, along with the typing on the phone, then the wrong person behind the post got caught in the fire and I'm sorry for that, even if I stand by the use of the first name as clearly signifying closeness and familiarity in this context, no matter whether you intend it to.
And, while I'm sorry if the insinuation of instinctively buddying up was wrongfully directed at you, it still stands and who knows, you might also want to take notice of that.

Ultimately, we are not dealing here with each other as persons as much as with each other's posts. I can't know more about you than what I read which also means I would never address, attack, or argue with, more of you than what I read - the aim isn't to insult you as a person, just as I'm not actually worried or offended if you say you might shoot me :lol:

I know you don't mean it, so did I

But seriously, It's insulting to be lumped with what that dude represents (white supremacist, KKK, etc) . It's like you're being called a nazi symphatizer because you used Adolf instead of Hitler.
 
Speaking of the whole thing what to people think about looting and arson? Like setting dozens of cars on fire? Would you want them convicted or just get away with it because it's just like a just cause?
If this was another thread I'd probably say that cars can be replaced. A lot of people see property damage covered by Insurance as victimless but life can be hard for some people and it isn't victimless whatever people might say. You still can't just replace a living human being, or the damage caused to family or friends, sometimes the missing is never gotten over.