Mate, the fecking judiciary is bent, the government is either right or centre right, there is a fully defined class system, based on race, and the merchant class are using the Internet to groom people. America is fecked.
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The first name thing has been weird for me throughout this thread as well, and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it’s mostly been people defending him that are calling him Kyle.
So he doesn't get any sort of penalty whatsoever? Not even picking up leafs for a few days or an 8 hour course on ways to avoid killing people with a rifle?
'Murica is so weird.
'Murica is so weird.
It’s very uncomfortable.
Oh America is fecked, but I wouldn't use this outcome of this trial as a reason for that. If the tables were turned and an antifa dude carried a rifle and "back the blue", maga types or whatever who ended up attacking that guy and the alteration was completely similar, I would still find the antifa guy not guilty.
Would a black boy have made it to Kenosha with a gun without being shot?
It's very clear many in this thread admire Rittenhouse.
Why would a black guy brandishing his gun in a white area be considered as stirring shit up?
Very good question.
How else should normal ordinary people address him? Rittenhouse? Kyle Rittenhouse? The cnut? The accused? So everyone calling him Kyle is a friend of him?
You think a 17 year old should be going to another state, during a riot, with a fecking assault rifle, shooting at least 6 shots, killing two is OK?
No one should be shooting people, and anyone who thinks that's justified is an idiot.
I really hope they don't
The not guilty thing is correct based on the laws yes, but that is the whole reason it is fecked up. 17 year old with an assault rifle, finger on the trigger, dressed as a Call of Duty cosplayer is ok with the law is a very fecked up thing.
I consider the US to be the best place to live (simply due to the extravagant salaries compared to UK) but they really do have some strange laws.
we look across the pond and see how messed up they are and then you go look on the daily mail comments section. (i know its not very scientific sampling...but ffs).
the brexit party was full of batshit reactionary xenophobes and was still polling 20% plus, and that was a few years ago.
someone dismissed comparisons with the weimar republic, but when it comes to it, at least a significant minority of people in the US and the UK, and much of mainland europe would gladly kneel and welcome their new fascist dictator / strongman / anti establishment comedian (from eton).
the brexit party was full of batshit reactionary xenophobes and was still polling 20% plus, and that was a few years ago.
someone dismissed comparisons with the weimar republic, but when it comes to it, at least a significant minority of people in the US and the UK, and much of mainland europe would gladly kneel and welcome their new fascist dictator / strongman / anti establishment comedian (from eton).
and Hitler only had 20% of the cabinet seats in Jan 1933 and yet a few months later we had the acts enabling the leadership to act outside of the german parliment.
Rittenhouse. I’m just saying it’s weird. It’s not often you refer to people by their first name in stories like this, and again I’m just saying that there’s a large correlation between people saying Kyle and people defending him, which suggests to me some degree of viewing him as…I’m not sure what the word I’m looking for here is. A peer? An equal? A comrade? Something along those lines.
A good example of this is that many in here who have been defending Rittenhouse have been referring to him as Kyle, but calling the guys that were shot by their last names. I’m 100% sure there’s something there, even if it’s not a conscious choice being made.
I refer to floyd as george. Armaud as armaud. We indonesians seldom use last name, plus it's just that much easier to type.
And asking is one thing. Implying is another.
I had a master degree on law, even if it's international law. Indonesian and not even black or white. So i have no incentives to glorify him, my stance on gun are well documented here.
I just really dont think he's guilty of defending himself. And just as you all feel strongly about him being on the wrong, so does me finding him innocent at least on the self defence.
That's what forums are for.
Im not just referring to you. If that’s Indonesian custom then fair enough, but there are more people than you here doing it, who are not from there and it seems that they are viewing him as a friendly figure.
This is probably because he was humanized at the trial - both by way of his taking the stand, as well as the fact that his attorney kept going out of his way of referring to him as Kyle. It was a tactical choice Richards used to humanize and normalize his client to the jury and the TV audience - and it worked very well.
To be fair I'm billingual but it sometimes gets switched as i typed.
really?
Not again! This is such bullshit..
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thats just for starters over here.
Considering he got off you would have to say it did indeed work well. However, I can’t help but think that normalizing him would only have had the desired effect on people who, on some level even if it wasn’t a conscious one, felt as if what he did was not wrong.
What's bullshit about it? The NSDAP didn't have a majority in the Reichstag or in the first Hitler government and they did pass the Enabling Act a few months later.
Not again! This is such bullshit..
«Rittenhouse», or «Kyle Rittenhouse» would do just fine.
There are a lot of views of him that are almost entirely exculpatory with the lone qualifier that 'he was an idiot to go out there' and I get the impression that what they mean by that is along the lines of 'He's nuts. I wouldn't do it but fair play to him for having the balls' rather than feeling there was any moral failing on his part.
Yes I'm not sure what the bullshit part is. In the coalition cabinet 3 members of 11 were Nazis.
I don't think it's ok, but it's lawful because it was in self-defense. What's chaotic about this trial is that skateboard guy and guy with glock didn't necessarily know that the first shooting was in self-defense, so in their minds they were probably chasing what they thought was an active shooter and perhaps they didn't know that he was running towards the police to turn himself in. No of course I ovdiously don't think pr default that people should be shooting each other but if you are being attacked and people try to take your firearm to potentially use it against you especially with death threats, I think that's self-defense. But no I don't think Rittenhouse should have been there with a assault rifle. All these cases keep spiraling around the problem with guns in the US.
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Do people still have single names in Java? The population is so vast I always thought it must be confusing.
Sukarno was a cool name though- sounded like a Star Wars character.
this is how its done. dimissed out of hand as a joke when theyre actually arguing with facts.
Yeah I agree. It’s not something I can really put my finger on but I am sure there are a lot of feelings of admiration of sorts even if they aren’t willing to admit it.
This still isn't close to what the Nazis did...why do I have to point that out again and again? It's plain obvious that the current state of the US/UK is far away from being early 1930/1933.
You don't have to educate me about my country's history. I'm very aware of it. The bullshit part is the connection to the current UK/US. It's hyperbolic to such an extent that it sounds ridiculous to any sane person.
I'm unsurprised by the result in the end. Each kill was proceeded by something about to hurt him, and obviously the jury didn't consider the moment he sped up into them as creating the situation. I don't think the prosecution did a great job of actually creating the case, and focused on the wrong things, plus pissing off the judge.
The whole thing does highlight how stupid America is with it's gun culture, which creates these problems. Every other developed country if you walking about with a gun like that the cops will be all over you.
I'd imagine they are now in for a few more protest before it is back to business as usual, with the addition of the right putting him up as a poster boy.
The whole thing does highlight how stupid America is with it's gun culture, which creates these problems. Every other developed country if you walking about with a gun like that the cops will be all over you.
I'd imagine they are now in for a few more protest before it is back to business as usual, with the addition of the right putting him up as a poster boy.
I was going to go on thedonald.win or whatever they changed the name to, America.win or something like that, to see what the cultists reactions were but it seems they’ve shut the website down.
My guess is that if you asked people in the US/UK who can name at least ten current elected politicians in their respective country, somewhere around half would agree that politics has a vibe of the rise of the Nazis about it.
You'd be perfectly entitled to call them insane if you so wish but I don't think you can dismiss their views as irrelevant in the way I think you wish to by doing so.
If he did, would he have been sent home by policemen?
2 or 3 in particular. I'd actually prefer it if they came out and said so (show some balls) but these nicey nicey posts
"I'm unbiased BUT.." is disengenous.
Oh ffs, he wasn't actually arrested on site? I don't think I ever knew that.
How is that justified? Surely in every shooting the shooter has to be be detained at the very least so they can establish the facts?
How was he found after? What if he couldn't be identified?
As if I was shocked enough.
It would be taken as that in America and you know it would. In this made up scenario the poster talked about, do you really think a black person brandishing a gun in a white neighbourhood who subsequently gets attacked and then kills their attacker in self defense would win that self defense argument in a court of law?
Don't be daft, they'd be lucky if they even got out of the neighbourhood alive.
There are countless videos out there of white men open carrying assault rifles and having no bother, but black men doing the same and getting surrounded by police with guns trained in them.
We have surnames now. But calling people by surnames is super weird around here. Even our president don't get called by his last name, but Jokowi , which is like calling Donrump for donald trump.