CraftySoAndSo
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Agree.It really should. We oversell our own importance and the irrelevance of others.
Agree.It really should. We oversell our own importance and the irrelevance of others.
Some posters are so committed to being contrarian they have to weigh in as pro-twatting little fluffy animals around, just to keep up appearances.
Why are people saying this is aimed at Zouma? He just got back together with his dog and wants to show his love in public. Some people will just instantly jump to any conclusion in order to have a go
No we don’t. You don’t compare animals to human beings. “Others” is not a term reserved for animals. This is not even a debate I’m willing to have. Let’s just agree to disagree.
Sadly, but unsurprisingly, speciesism doesn't garner a high level of public or media support or credibility as it requires unselfish, non self-serving people to push for the rights of other species with no benefit to themselves. That's not what motivates most people when they protest something.Definitely disagree then. Don't see any reason for putting human beings on a pedestal.
But did he pull the cat's claws out?!He volleyed the cat across a room. He then chases the clearly terrified cat around the room. It's caught by one of the kids who holds it up so Zouma can give it hard slap.
Would you say the same if it was child or adult that was being kicked that way? Just apologize, go to classes. Everything is fine, right?No it's not but that doesn't mean we should end a guys career or get him sacked for kicking a cat.
As a club: Get him to apologize for it, and give him some classes on the protection on animals. Also tell him if he continues to abuse animals after this then he might face a lot more serious consequences.
Of course it is bad. It should be called out for what it is. You don't kick helpless animals.I am sure Zouma thinks it is just rough play. He comes across as more ignorant and oblivious than malicious.
I don't think it's as bad as some of the reactions suggest. He's not injuring the cat and looks controlled enough to not be close to it either.
Not nice to watch though. The cat is clearly distressed.
Why are people saying this is aimed at Zouma? He just got back together with his dog and wants to show his love in public. Some people will just instantly jump to any conclusion in order to have a go
Also there’s no bones sticking out or anything. Who’s to say the cat was actually injured?But did he pull the cat's claws out?!
And what did the cat do before the video? Context matters.Also there’s no bones sticking out or anything. Who’s to say the cat was actually injured?
I agree with this too. It depends on how he responds to the RSPCA. If he's just a bit dim but remorseful and willing to learn then that should be the end of it.
I find this behaviour worse than if he was to say prejudice remarks towards a race or gender of people which would be the type of thing that we have seen footballers get sacked over.
Exactly. As long as we don’t have the cats files from the veterinarian, a detailed and well lit video of the hours before the incident, witness testimonials by all involved, including the cat, it is basically impossible to say wether kicking the cat around actually qualifies as animal cruelty. Also the holocaust was much worse, so why should we even care?And what did the cat do before the video? Context matters.
Watched the video, it's wanton cruelty and maybe the worst of it is he's teaching a kid to treat animals the same way.
You don’t cruelly systematically abuse a scared, innocent animal while laughing because you’re ‘a bit dim’…
It’s a concerted, conscious effort to do such a thing.
I agree with this. For me, and it’s gonna sound a bit controversial, but this is as bad as the Utd player’s disgraceful accusations - reason being that this isn’t a crime of passion, or a heated moment getting out of hand, it isn’t someone with an anger problem - it’s someone laughing while hurting a scared, defenceless being that hasn’t even got a voice to cry for help. It’s as bad I’m my opinion.
Whether or not he should lose his job etc I don’t like to comment on as I’m not comfortable with the ‘gossiping villager’ mentally that is being ushered in to society via ‘scandal’ media - that’s for the authorities and his club to decide, but I do think it should absolutely be taken very seriously.
As bad as the Greenwood allegations?
Have you seen the video? I didn't agree that drink-driving was on a par in the other thread but I could kind of see where you were coming from (as you seemed to consider all drink drivers sociopathic repeat offenders) but that's a bit ridiculous imo.
I guess. I’d say in the last 10 days alone we’ve had cnutish behaviour from Greenwood, Avram Grant, Zouma and Overmars. I’d say there’s a more cnutish behaviour in the footballing world than other sports for sure.
I get that it’s not as serious as an offence legally, and they’re both disgraceful, but it’s the context…
Zouma is laughing while doing this - he isn’t doing it because he’s lost control of his emotions and has an anger problem. There’s no ‘passion gone wrong’, just him actively enjoying abusing an innocent, voiceless animal - and doing so in front of an innocent child, he then INVOLVES the child in hurting the animal…
It somehow, to me, seems more actively cruel.
Like, someone who’s laughing happily as they commit their abuse vs someone who’s angry and doesn’t seem ‘happy’ themselves when they do so.
But yeah, I get it, legally it’s less serious. Both, utterly fecking pathetic acts.
My point is basically that this is very disturbing and shouldn’t be trivialised.
Acts of cruelty towards humans will always be viewed more seriously if we're talking strictly from a legal perspective. But feck that, I'd hand the same punishment to someone for murdering a cat/dog as murdering a person. Not even bothered if anyone wants to get up on their moral high horse and call that ridiculous. Animals are amazing and love their owners unconditionally, and to abuse that trust is disgusting and vile behaviour and should be punished severely as far as I'm concerned.I get that it’s not as serious as an offence legally, and they’re both disgraceful, but it’s the context…
Zouma is laughing while doing this - he isn’t doing it because he’s lost control of his emotions and has an anger problem. There’s no ‘passion gone wrong’, just him actively enjoying abusing an innocent, voiceless animal.
It somehow, to me, seems more actively cruel.
Like, someone who’s laughing happily as they commit their abuse vs someone who’s angry and doesn’t seem ‘happy’ themselves when they do so.
But yeah, I get it, legally it’s less serious. Both, utterly fecking pathetic acts.
My point is basically that this is very disturbing and shouldn’t be trivialised.
Didn’t a woman lose her job as a teacher for hitting a horse?
It's hard to deny when the general really see footballers in their majority, as fecking cnuts.Clearly he doesn't see an issue with it. Thinks it's funny.
Exactly. As long as we don’t have the cats files from the veterinarian, a detailed and well lit video of the hours before the incident, witness testimonials by all involved, including the cat, it is basically impossible to say wether kicking the cat around actually qualifies as animal cruelty. Also the holocaust was much worse, so why should we even care?
Yep. I doubt the school paid £30 million for that teacher though.
There's no way West Ham will sack him.
You don’t cruelly systematically abuse a scared, innocent animal while laughing because you’re ‘a bit dim’…
It’s a concerted, conscious effort to do such a thing.
But did he pull the cat's claws out?!
Exactly. As long as we don’t have the cats files from the veterinarian, a detailed and well lit video of the hours before the incident, witness testimonials by all involved, including the cat, it is basically impossible to say wether kicking the cat around actually qualifies as animal cruelty. Also the holocaust was much worse, so why should we even care?
Acts of cruelty towards humans will always be viewed more seriously if we're talking strictly from a legal perspective. But feck that, I'd hand the same punishment to someone for murdering a cat/dog as murdering a person. Not even bothered if anyone wants to get up on their moral high horse and call that ridiculous. Animals are amazing and love their owners unconditionally, and to abuse that trust is disgusting and vile behaviour and should be punished severely as far as I'm concerned.
Anyone saying (implicitly or explicitly) that kicking a cat about isn't "that bad" can get to hell, too. It's horrible and quite frankly I find that video upsetting
That’s fine and your opinion but I disagree. The matters of human beings I wouldn’t compare to animals.
What he did was wrong but not nearly as bad as some make out. He's not injuring it or anything like that. Not nice to watch but not exactly criminal either.
I get that it’s not as serious as an offence legally, and they’re both disgraceful, but it’s the context…
Zouma is laughing while doing this - he isn’t doing it because he’s lost control of his emotions and has an anger problem. There’s no ‘passion gone wrong’, just him actively enjoying abusing an innocent, voiceless animal - and doing so in front of an innocent child, he then INVOLVES the child in hurting the animal…
It somehow, to me, seems more actively cruel.
Like, someone who’s laughing happily as they commit their abuse vs someone who’s angry and doesn’t seem ‘happy’ themselves when they do so.
But yeah, I get it, legally it’s less serious. Both, utterly fecking pathetic acts.
My point is basically that this is very disturbing and shouldn’t be trivialised.
The second post you quoted is appalling I disagree with your response to said poster, but it is still an awfully naïve, misguided and shameful post.Found the psychopath
Starts today. Not a good decision by West Ham.