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Unless they get serious £££ for Koke, I can't see them selling. It's supply and demand at the end of the day.
 
KingMinger22 said:
£48m looks a fairly attractive fee for him. It's a set in stone price and about close to what you'd expect it would be in negotiations.

Really can't seem him coming here though. Surely Barca will move for him if they sell fabregas.

Would be exciting if we swiftly triggered that clause and waved a fat, fat cheque at him!


Again, it can be done with the right $£€ - many teams that were coming from a less attractive position than us have secured
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£48m doesn't look attractive at all, I don't know what sort of world you live in to think that Koke is worth £48m.
 
Chelsea have been after a deep playmaker for a while. Mikel will leave, Lampard has gone already and there isn't much faith in the youngsters, as always. Ramires is coming off a terrible season too.
 
It's one of those fee's just like javi Martinez deal a couple of years ago that while looking expensive it's almost guaranteed to be a top class signing he will be worth every penny of that £48m in the long run.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
We've no chance if Chelsea and Barcelona are interested.
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We definitely have a chance against Chelsea.

Against Barca not really.

Atletico are going to lose Koke, Miranda and Costa at least. They've already lost Villa, Diego and Tiago and Filipe Luis and Turan look like a possibility as well. Shocking.
 
They won't lose anywhere near as much as you think. Can't see Koke or Miranda going and can't see both of Filipe and Arda Turan going (one maybe).
 
As much as I like Hernandez, I'd offer them Hernandez and money for Koke. I hope we at least try to sign him.
 
bucky said:
As much as I like Hernandez, I'd offer them Hernandez and money for Koke. I hope we at least try to sign him.
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I wonder if we dont..and we dont try for Fabregas either how fans will soon start to feel panicked into exactly what Van Gaal has in mind....i.e. Strootman
 
RedorDead21 said:
I wonder if we dont..and we dont try for Fabregas either how fans will soon start to feel panicked into exactly what Van Gaal has in mind....i.e. Strootman
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Well, I won't panic. We will improve under van Gaal regardless of who we sign. I just think Koke is the perfect midfield player for us and I prefer him to anyone else, who's rumoured to be signing for us.
 
If he does leave Atletico, I'd be amazed if he doesn't sign for Barcelona now it seems they're interested. Who knows, they might even offer Chelsea Fabregas on the cheap to try and get them out of the equation, if indeed their interest is true. 'Sky sources' are a bit hit and miss these days.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
If he does leave Atletico, I'd be amazed if he doesn't sign for Barcelona now it seems they're interested. Who knows, they might even offer Chelsea Fabregas on the cheap to try and get them out of the equation, if indeed their interest is true. 'Sky sources' are a bit hit and miss these days.
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Doesn't matter if they try to "offer" them Fabregas if he doesn't want to go there.
 
JohnDoe said:
Sure we do. Don't see why he'd choose Chelsea over us (except money, but with FFP I'm not sure they'd be able to offer more wages than us). Barca is tougher perhaps, but it's not that unlikely he'd want a move to the PL.
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Champions League football.
Money.
London.
 
JohnDoe said:
Doesn't matter if they try to "offer" them Fabregas if he doesn't want to go there.
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Of course, but with Fabregas supposedly (who knows if it's actually true) preferring a transfer to London, I wouldn't be surprised if he signed for Chelsea.
 
Sarni said:
£48m doesn't look attractive at all, I don't know what sort of world you live in to think that Koke is worth £48m.
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That is the going rate for top talents this summer - wait and see someone pay that fee.

I am sure that neither Barca or Chelski will flinch at the buyout fee.
 
JohnDoe said:
Sure we do. Don't see why he'd choose Chelsea over us (except money, but with FFP I'm not sure they'd be able to offer more wages than us). Barca is tougher perhaps, but it's not that unlikely he'd prefer a move to the PL/us over them.
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I'd have it 50-50, with it simply coming down to the money on offer, and the vision of the manager/club.
As much as we like to think Van Gaal will have us back as the dominant team (and that players will share this optimism), Chelsea fans think the same about Mourinho, with arguably more reason to do so.

As much as you ask 'why would he choose Chelsea over us?' Why would he choose us over Chelsea? History is given way too much importance, and the biggest reason for much of our great history is no longer here.

That's not to say we can't get him. But to do so we'd need to really make him feel like we want him more than any other club, and sell the vision.
 
KingMinger22 said:
That is the going rate for top talents this summer - wait and see someone pay that fee.

I am sure that neither Barca or Chelski will flinch at the buyout fee.
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He's had two good seasons for Atletico, it doesn't justify paying nearly £50m for him. If he goes for that sort of fee and Barcelona sell Fabregas for £30m that has been quoted they are bonkers.
 
Brwned said:
I have no idea what a £50m player is but I don't think it's a stretch to say he's perfectly capable of reaching Ozil's current level in 3 years' time and if he progresses as Xavi expects and develops into anything close to the new Xavi then £50m would be perfectly reasonable. At this moment he's an extremely competent, well-rounded midfielder who would improve our midfield in practically all aspects while adding flexibility, class and grit.
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A 50 million quid player is a match winner of the highest order or at the least a generation defining midfielder. Not koke by any stretch of the imagination. Ozil isn't a 50 million quid footballer either so that says very little. Although he has it in him to be. Yes he'd add a lot to our midfield, we have nothing going on there. But the price is simply to high.

If he does develop to reach xavi's level then he obviously would be although I don't think he ever will, just isn't naturally gifted enough for such. He's no bigger a talent than Gundogan let alone already being a 50 mA 50 million quid player is a match winner of the highest order or at the least a generation defining midfielder. Not koke by any stretch of the imagination. Ozil isn't a 50 million quid footballer either so that says very little. Although he has it in him to be. Yes he'd add a lot to our midfield, we have nothing going on there. But the price is simply to high.

If he does develop to reach xavi's level then he obviously would be although I don't think he ever will, just isn't naturally gifted enough for such. He's no bigger a talent than Gundogan let alone already being a 50 million pound footballer.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Your talking utter nonsense......50 Million for one of the elite central midfielders in the game is the going rate at least....I think Pogba will for Bale money one year from now when Juve are ready to sell him to Madrid or PSG....Koke is on the same level as Pogba although obviously there are some things that each of them are better than the other at
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He's not one of the elite midfielders in the world. He's one of the top talents, but to say he's unquestionably in the elite is nonsense IMO. In fact, its a mystery how he'd get such a status despite his best season not really being from midfield. If he was really a 50 million pounder he'd be a spain first 11 player without a doubt, he isn't.
 
Who cares if he is a 50 mil player or 39,6 mil or whatever? If we can pay close to 30 mil for Shaw who hasn't done anything at international level yet, then why can't we pay 50 mil for a top class midfielder who is only going to get better, who has an excellent fitness/injury record and whose style, fitness and physique would be ideal for the PL? And who has also played games against top opposition in the CL? He is also technically excellent, very composed on the ball. Just because he doesn't do dribbles or some fancy stuff doesn't mean he is not good technically.

And that he would surely start for Spain if he was that good is one of the most pointless arguments I have read. Then we could say the same about DDG, Fabregas, Martinez, etc.
No midfielder would start ahead of Xavi/Xabi Alonso and Busquets, not even Vidal, especially not with Del Bosque in his system, let alone a 22 year old Koke. He already is their youngest player in the WC squad and I have absolutely no doubt he'll be a starter very soon, that's once Xavi/Xabi Alonso retire.
 
RooneyLegend said:
A 50 million quid player is a match winner of the highest order or at the least a generation defining midfielder. Not koke by any stretch of the imagination. Ozil isn't a 50 million quid footballer either so that says very little. Although he has it in him to be. Yes he'd add a lot to our midfield, we have nothing going on there. But the price is simply to high.

If he does develop to reach xavi's level then he obviously would be although I don't think he ever will, just isn't naturally gifted enough for such. He's no bigger a talent than Gundogan let alone already being a 50 mA 50 million quid player is a match winner of the highest order or at the least a generation defining midfielder. Not koke by any stretch of the imagination. Ozil isn't a 50 million quid footballer either so that says very little. Although he has it in him to be. Yes he'd add a lot to our midfield, we have nothing going on there. But the price is simply to high.

If he does develop to reach xavi's level then he obviously would be although I don't think he ever will, just isn't naturally gifted enough for such. He's no bigger a talent than Gundogan let alone already being a 50 million pound footballer.
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Something tells me you would have said Xavi didn't have the talent to become the best midfielder in the world when he was 22 too.
 
Sarni said:
He's had two good seasons for Atletico, it doesn't justify paying nearly £50m for him. If he goes for that sort of fee and Barcelona sell Fabregas for £30m that has been quoted they are bonkers.
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If luke shaws going rate is 30 mil then koke is easily a 50 mil player.
 
Am I the only one who thinks the whole 'London effect' is being grossly exaggerated?

I mean its not like they'd live in deplorable poverty in Manchester.
 
Kaos said:
Am I the only one who thinks the whole 'London effect' is being grossly exaggerated?

I mean its not like they'd live in deplorable poverty in Manchester.
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No but very few live in the centre of Manchester and there's not exactly much to see or do in Hale/Wilmslow/Alderley Edge/Prestbury apart from other rich people.

There's not really much of interest in the city centre either to be brutally honest.
 
Kaos said:
Am I the only one who thinks the whole 'London effect' is being grossly exaggerated?

I mean its not like they'd live in deplorable poverty in Manchester.
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Antonio Reyes loved London

The London effect is a myth, just look at the players that have jumped ship from London to Manchester in recent seasons. Money is the deciding factor and also ambition.
 
Adnan said:
Antonio Reyes loved London

The London effect is a myth, just look at the players that have jumped ship from London to Manchester in recent seasons. Money is the deciding factor and also ambition.
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I wouldn't say it is a myth just because money and ambition is of greater importance. Just because Man City steal a lot of Arsenal's players doesn't mean that London isn't a factor when the clubs are of equal footing.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
I wouldn't say it is a myth just because money and ambition is of greater importance. Just because Man City steal a lot of Arsenal's players doesn't mean that London isn't a factor when the clubs are of equal footing.
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I would rather have players who want to play for the club based on allure than someone who is playing for my club because he prefers the City.
 
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