Exactly. Now they are in the knockout stages of the CL + serious about challenging for the title.
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They absolutely have as good a chance as anyone to win the champions league this year if they keep their squad together.....selling a key player could mess with their top 4 finish chances...they may not want to disrupt that balance in the team
Fair enough... Atlético are a tier two European side for me, if you like. And it'll take a sugar daddy of Man City proportions to elevate them to the next level. Unless this happens we'll always have more than a good chance of signing their best young players. As we have in the past.
United sent three lawyers to Madrid to negotiate a transfer according to some sources. The three amigos rides again.
Unless the source is Howard Nurse I refuse to believe it.
Goal.com seems to be the root of the source.
Yeah, I know. Just thinking about the Three guys on last transfer deadline day.
So is it Kokon or Kokoff today?
And, as a result, will it be Kokin or Kokout?
or it might be kokout time 
Such unabashed arrogance!
I could say the same for your post.
So tell me are we not "one of the biggest, most successful clubs in the world" ?
I'm now convinced we should buy koke. Personally I could do with about 5 grammes after today's performance.
I'm not the one writing the footballing equivalent of: "do you know who I am?"
Do you think the bit you've selectively self-quoted is what I found egregious and bemusing in equal measure?
We probably need to shut this one down.
they're joint top in Spain, so would be a foolish time for him to leave for us.
they're joint top in Spain, so would be a foolish time for him to leave for us.
I dont understand your first point.
If we are the one of the biggest, most successful clubs in the world - why wouldnt it be an honour to pay for us? Or do you not think we are one of the biggest & most successful?
Are people only just coming around to this not happening? There is not one reason that he would even consider joining United and there never has been.
http://matchincome.com/2013/01/07/koke-salary-or-income/
He is apparently on around £50k per month so about £15k per week
put that up to £100k per week and I could think of about four and a quarter million reasons a year he might be interested
I dont think it will happen but if it does a big fee and high wages are our only chance
He is apparently on around £50k per month so about £15k per week
put that up to £100k per week and I could think of about four and a quarter million reasons a year he might be interested
I dont think it will happen but if it does a big fee and high wages are our only chance
If he is after the money, we are not the club he wants. We won't offer him anything near what other clubs will.
Well chelsea dont need him
Psg seem to be cocks out for mata
city real and barca dont seem to have been mentioned
we must be up there with anybody else in terms of wages we can offer?
Since when does a club needing or not needing a player stop them signing them?
Just because a club isn't being mentioned doesn't mean they are not in, United were mentioned heaps in the summer but never had a chance at the signings.
Not sure how old this might be,
but nice bit of skill
but nice bit of skill
I literally only want him for his name. Koke is good enough (because you know some twats will call him Coke) but the whole 'Resurrección' part writes itself.
I honestly believe we have a shot at signing him in the summer even without Champions League football. Atletico have been decent for the last few years and players still have opted to leave even homegrown ones like De Gea. No Champions League football didn't stop Falcao or those Porto players from going to Monaco and we for sure should be able to offer him much better wages than he is currently making. Another thing that will really help us is, is that I think Gundogan will be the top midfield target for every club who have a realistic shot at getting him.
I don't expect us to sign him in January, my only hope is that we don't go after him now and make fools out of ourselves like we did with Everton and Bilbao and ruin any chance we have in the summer.
I don't expect us to sign him in January, my only hope is that we don't go after him now and make fools out of ourselves like we did with Everton and Bilbao and ruin any chance we have in the summer.
Of course we've a chance of signing him in the summer. Atlético Madrid are a tier two European side. Historically their best young players have always left for bigger and better stages, don't know why Koke is apparently so different.
Because there is a strong possibility that we won't be on the bigger stage. They will be competing in the Champions League, we won't.
We're talking hypothetical here. We're only 5 points behind liverpool and we have some top players to come back.
Granted we've had a poor half of the season, there's still half a season to go.
I don't understand why fans are being hysterical, we're Manchester United, why would a player not want to leave Atletico for us? Even if we didn't make the champions league this year, so what? Why would Koke not want to come to us just for thay 1 season of champions league, as if Atletico are going to compete with madrid and Barcelona for years to come and he'll never be winning the league.
If he's ambitious then he would leave for us, regardless of that 1 year of champions league as we'll always be contenders.
I think this period is a little different though. For the first time in years Atletico are actually seriously challenging Barca/Madrid. Simeone has done a fantastic job, and would he want to leave and possibly miss out on his home town club winning the league or CL?.
So, breaking the Spanish duopoly while competing in the CL isn't ambitious? What a bs line that keeps getting trotted out around here, regardless of circumstance and context, to suit posters' arguments when it comes to why players should join Utd...
So you think Over the next 5 years Atletico have a real chance to break the duopoly then? You really think they're going to compete with the financial muscle of both Madrid an Barcelona?
You think over the next 5 years Atletico are going to be bigger challengers for the champions league than ourselves?
Let's face it, Atletico isn't going to be a team that's going to be a team that will keep hold of their stars as is evident of them losing many of their big stars over previous seasons. They may be challenging this year, but how long do you see it lasting? I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply to you with the unnecessary tone you decided to take.
It's no more bullshit than the line that's spouted in all these threads about no top players wanting to come to United.
The original post sparking this was Cunto iirc saying he would come in the summer so by that point he'd have either won the league or not.
Also as big as an opportunity to win the league is, it's still very much an outside bet for them. I'm sure if he moved he'd be vastly increasing his wages too, and would be thinking about getting us into the cl next season. United are a big draw for players. It can be overstated, but not nearly as much as it's understated on here.
A lot of people here seem to put a lot of stock in what's happening at the moment. As if Atletico losing two games and falling from 2nd to 3rd will by itself lead to another dramatic reversal in transfer policy. I don't think it works like that. The decision on whether to buy or sell any player isn't really be made on something so fragile as the last or future two or three games. Same as when other say we'll struggle to sign anyone now because we're currently five points off the top four. I don't think the word is as focused on the immediate as much as that.
Not saying we will sign him at all, but I don't think we won't sign him on the basis that at the moment they're second in La Liga.
Not saying we will sign him at all, but I don't think we won't sign him on the basis that at the moment they're second in La Liga.
Aren't they in massive debt?
Yip. They will sell the crown jewels by the summer at the latest like they do every year.
I suppose £40m for Costa and £30 for Koke would go a long way to cover that.
No, I do not think Atlético will be bigger challengers for the CL than Utd and nowhere did I state that, and at any rate it is irrelevant to my point.
Indeed, Koke will most likely leave Atlético for reasons outlined by jojojo earlier (think it was in this thread anyway), but not this January and depending on what Atlético achieve this season maybe not even in the summer either, but eventually, most likely yes. They are challenging this year (as they were for a good while last season) and honestly I couldn't tell you how long it will last... I'm not expecting them to win it or for it to go on like this for several years, but that's exactly my point right there and what I was replying to originally: if it's such an improbable event beyond everyone's expectations for Atlético to actually be challenging, then how can anyone accuse Koke of lacking ambition if he were to stay there for the foreseeable future?
Nowhere did I make any sort of judgement about top players wanting to come to Utd or not.
For the bolded part, see my reply to Genius Me! above.
Nowhere did I make any sort of judgement about Utd's chances of getting Koke. The only thing I adressed was the poster's questionable rationale of what he considers ambitious (or more accurately, what he doesn't), which was in my eyes nothing more than a neat, yet illogical narrative to convince himself of Utd having the required pulling power to get a player like Koke -- which they do, of course.
Can we not just spunk a load of cash on AM's scout then reap the benefit in years to come? They have had some glorious footblers in the last few years...sold them...and still challenging for the title. Immense.
It's more complicated than just hiring AM's scouts.
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