Kobbie Mainoo (out)

I like Mainoo, but at no point without him over the past few games have I wished he was around. Amad yes, Mainoo no.

He's clearly got potential, but if this is his attitude at 19 then I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't fulfill it.
 
the club should look to keep him, but not at all cost. we have ideas and hopes of what he could become, but we aren't really getting those games from him. his value lies mostly in the fact he's an academy player and him possibly becoming our best midfielder in 5 years, but selling him and simply buying such midfielder is just as likely scenario as him becoming one in this chaos.
 
The club is trying to straighten out the wage structure and a young player like mainoo is asking for 180k a week? It's either fake news or i would rather we sell him off.
 
To be fair I’d want paying a fortune to stick around this United right now. The football is the worst it’s been in modern history with a disjointed squad that we need to seriously overhaul but on a tight budget. No realistic chance of champions league football any time soon. The atmosphere must be dogshit around the place. Everything you do at the club is under the biggest microscope. Plus he doesnt even have an obvious place in the managers team.

I love United too but if I was him I’d probably rather go and play football in the sun for a few years whilst United attempt to sort themselves out.
 
VP89 said:
He's not but he's also not worth 180k a week. There's a problem with his own attitude if he's sticking out for that after 9 months of form. Ferguson didn't entertain stupid demands from young players, Pogba was not the exact same situation but not dissimilar as an academy product asking for a big sum.
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No of course he isn’t worth that much, I haven’t said he should be paid that sum but like Geebs said he isn’t going to jump from £20k to nearly 10x that, and I don’t for a minute believe he is asking that much. This is all just agent posturing to get the best contract he can for Kobbie , which is fair enough.
I am really sick of all the hyperbole around our squad, “ he a mercenary Cnut! Feck him off! He shit anyway! Always injured, stealing a living! “ it’s nauseatingly ridiculous.
 
Neil_Buchanan said:
To be fair I’d want paying a fortune to stick around this United right now. The football is the worst it’s been in modern history with a disjointed squad that we need to seriously overhaul but on a tight budget. No realistic chance of champions league football any time soon. The atmosphere must be dogshit around the place. Everything you do at the club is under the biggest microscope. Plus he doesnt even have an obvious place in the managers team.

I love United too but if I was him I’d probably rather go and play football in the sun for a few years whilst United attempt to sort themselves out.
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If he was performing like a £180k midfielder (elite level) then we wouldn’t be anywhere near as bad as we are right now.

If he wants that amount then he needs to get back to fitness, get his head down and put in top level performances to earn a contract of that magnitude.
 
Mainoo has done fantastic. He has played 60 games for us and 10 for England. He’ll get better and better. His agent is asking silly money and the club are probably offering very little. I’m sure they’ll meet in the middle eventually, there’s plenty time.
I’m not sure how good Mainoo will be but he’ll be a great rotation option even if he doesn’t reach the top of the game.
 
I’d offer him 100k and tell him that really is our final offer. That’s more than enough for a first team player of his level, especially at a time when hundreds of his colleagues are being made redundant.
 
2 man midfield said:
I’d offer him 100k and tell him that really is our final offer. That’s more than enough for a first team player of his level, especially at a time when hundreds of his colleagues are being made redundant.
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Yes, let's tell our best footballing talent we won't give them a competitive wage because we're also laying off staff! Genius way to sort out our problems.
 
FortunaUtd said:
Yes, let's tell our best footballing talent we won't give them a competitive wage because we're also laying off staff! Genius way to sort out our problems.
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How is 100k not competitive? He’s not shown as much as Amad and he’s on 120.
 
FortunaUtd said:
Yes, let's tell our best footballing talent we won't give them a competitive wage because we're also laying off staff! Genius way to sort out our problems.
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He’s a 19 year old with 1 season of first team football. 100k is more than fair. If you give him 200k now, what do you give him on his next 2 contracts?

If Mainoo gets 200k, Chido Obi will be next in the door asking for 150. That’s how this stuff works. You have to show you won’t be held to ransom at some point, no?

We broke the club by just giving Sanchez, Pogba and De Gea the mega wages they wanted, on the promise that they’d repay us with future performances that never came. How about we see some performances first, then you can have a mega pay rise? That’s surely how this stuff should work.
 
2 man midfield said:
He’s a 19 year old with 1 season of first team football. 100k is more than fair. If you give him 200k now, what do you give him on his next 2 contracts?
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You realize there is something in between the posturing of "100k and that's our final offer" and 'giving him 200k now', a number which you pulled out of your arse just now.
 
stepic said:
How is 100k not competitive? He’s not shown as much as Amad and he’s on 120.
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It's not competitive because other clubs will pay him more. Not necessarily 180k, but more than 100k. If his agent demands 180k, we offer 100k, an agreement is found at 140k which keeps our most promising midfield talent around until 2030, that would be fine wouldn't it, with no need fo vitriol and hysterics.
The fear I have rather is that Ratcliffe and his goons are on a mission to asset strip our club and will be trying to sell Mainoo.
 
FortunaUtd said:
You realize there is something in between the posturing of "100k and that's our final offer" and 'giving him 200k now', a number which you pulled out of your arse just now.
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200k is what he’s asking for, as per reports.
 
FortunaUtd said:
Yes, let's tell our best footballing talent we won't give them a competitive wage because we're also laying off staff! Genius way to sort out our problems.
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That is an amazingly competitive wage, he hasn't justified that wage yet.
 
FortunaUtd said:
It's not competitive because other clubs will pay him more. Not necessarily 180k, but more than 100k. If his agent demands 180k, we offer 100k, an agreement is found at 140k which keeps our most promising midfield talent around until 2030, that would be fine wouldn't it, with no need fo vitriol and hysterics.
The fear I have rather is that Ratcliffe and his goons are on a mission to asset strip our club and will be trying to sell Mainoo.
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Which club is going to offer him that? Just made up.
 
Neil_Buchanan said:
To be fair I’d want paying a fortune to stick around this United right now. The football is the worst it’s been in modern history with a disjointed squad that we need to seriously overhaul but on a tight budget. No realistic chance of champions league football any time soon. The atmosphere must be dogshit around the place. Everything you do at the club is under the biggest microscope. Plus he doesnt even have an obvious place in the managers team.

I love United too but if I was him I’d probably rather go and play football in the sun for a few years whilst United attempt to sort themselves out.
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Hang on, Mainoo has played a role in the shoddy performances. Looks legless after 60 mins, can't keep up pace in whichever position he plays in and has not added much to his repertoire. His passing is still limited to short passes, doesn't seem to progress the ball much through the lines and doesn't shoot enough. He has a lot to improve on. He definitely shouldn't be demanding anything north of 140k a week
 
Feels like a lot of over-reacting here. Unless he's demanding 180k and won't accept a penny less then it doesn't seem a huge issue. If that's where he/his agent want to start negotiations then fine, the club will obviously begin with something much lower than that and hopefully it'll eventually get sorted for a reasonable amount.
 
Tallis said:
I am starting to feel there is some legs to it. We know that Ineos were prepared to sell Garnacho in the winter window if the price was right, and suspect they will view Mainoo similarly.

From Mainoo's perspective, his agent is probably in his ear and telling him about the money that can be made with a transfer etc and that Man Utd are not going to be in CL anytime soon (meaning less pay).
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As they should, if his demands don't become more realistic before the season ends. For our long term future and immediate needs we do need the money and we should resist any attempts into forcing us to dig the high wage bill hole any deeper than it already is. The money he is demanding is paid to the best midfielders in the league and he is nowhere near that yet.
 
2 man midfield said:
Why? He’s asking for 200k, as per many reports. What else do you need?
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Teamtalk, the Sun, the mirror and some no mark writing for the Guardian. What auspicious sources! :lol:

Also the headlines scream ‘Kobbies going to reject a contract offer and move abroad!’ And when you read the article it says’if he chooses to leave’ - it’s a bunch of utter bollocks.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Teamtalk, the Sun, the mirror and some no mark writing for the Guardian. What auspicious sources! :lol:

Also the headlines scream ‘Kobbies going to reject a contract offer and move abroad!’ And when you read the article it says’if he chooses to leave’ - it’s a bunch of utter bollocks.
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At first I was accused of pulling a figure out of my arse. All I’m doing is saying the number reported in the press. Don’t come after me because the people saying it aren’t reliable enough for you, it’s still the figure he’s reportedly asking for.
 
2 man midfield said:
At first I was accused of pulling a figure out of my arse. All I’m doing is saying the number reported in the press. Don’t come after me because the people saying it aren’t reliable enough for you, it’s still the figure he’s reportedly asking for.
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‘Reportedly’ Uh huh! :rolleyes:

He will agree a new contract like Amad in the £80k-£100k range, will continue to be an important player for United in the coming seasons and a lot of people who have fallen for the rage bait reporting on here will look VERY silly indeed.
 
FortunaUtd said:
Yes, let's tell our best footballing talent we won't give them a competitive wage because we're also laying off staff! Genius way to sort out our problems.
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Because £100k a week wouldnt be a competitive offer? To a chronically unfit 19 year old who's played 2 half-seasons in his career due to injuries.
 
Plant0x84 said:
‘Reportedly’ Uh huh! :rolleyes:

He will agree a new contract like Amad in the £80k-£100k range, will continue to be an important player for United in the coming seasons and a lot of people who have fallen for the rage bait reporting on here will look VERY silly indeed.
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Let’s hope you’re right, that’s exactly what he should be on for the profile and level he’s shown.
 
It all seems very speculative at the moment, so I am not getting my knickers in a twist, but if it turns out to be true that he is asking £180k per week (£150k + £30k if qualifying for the CL) and it is that or he wants to be sold, then at this point right now and we had to choose I would choose to sell.

However his contract expires 2027 and we have an option to add a year so from Utd's point of view there is no panic.

I do think he deserves to be on more than £20k per week, I think putting him on parity with Amad is a bit much because if fit Amad starts not sure Mainoo 100% does under Amorim, he has still to cement a position, as much of a talent as he is he may well go down the pecking order depending on what signings come in.

I think it would be in both parties interests to give him a bump, maybe £80k per week and agree to review at the end of next season, if he still wants to leave he will not be on a wage that prices him out of many clubs budgets, if however he has become a mainstay of Amorim's system (or Amorim has gone :( ) then the contract should be revisited, it could even be scaled to increase based on appearances etc. but giving him £180k now is madness, if it does not work out for him next season and he wants to go/we want to sell it will be much harder to get a deal without eating a load of shit!
 
Think I read Ugarte is on £120k per week? If that’s the case then Mainoo is worth £80k now in my opinion, and it should be reviewed yearly or every other year until he’s got parity with other first team players depending on his status within the squad. I like the work we’re doing to straighten out the wage structure and we have to stick to it, even if it means losing a player or two. If we’re successful in the future then we’ll revisit it.

The other issue for me is performances, and I’m also no longer convinced he is a sure thing to even be good enough to play for a United team that will hopefully compete for titles. He has to recognise this himself, if he doesn’t then that’s a warning flag right there. He’s talented, but due to him lacking in some key areas he’s looking like a bit of a niche player, almost entering the old “luxury player” category that the likes of Berbatov were considered.
 
stepic said:
Well we did have one guy say who said he’d lost faith in humanity because of it…
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:lol:yeah that's a little much.

Trump taking humanity back to civil war and the stone age, the world increasing run by far right technobros, and AI poised to take over large portions of the workforce, but it's Mainoo reportedly asking for 180k a week that's done it.
 
Pickle85 said:
:lol:yeah that's a little much.

Trump taking humanity back to civil war and the stone age, the world increasing run by far right technobros, and AI poised to take over large portions of the workforce, but some clickbait journo saying Mainoo reportedly asking for 180k a week that's done it.
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Corrected
 
2 man midfield said:
At first I was accused of pulling a figure out of my arse. All I’m doing is saying the number reported in the press. Don’t come after me because the people saying it aren’t reliable enough for you, it’s still the figure he’s reportedly asking for.
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The way you phrase your statement, something like ‘he is asking for 200k, as per reports’ really reads (to me) that you are stating he IS asking for 200k (not might be, IS), and that this is proved by those reports.
I’m not saying that that is how you meant to write it, but I can see why people think you are presenting it as a fact. It’s unusual syntax.
 
I think it's clear that we're going to have to sacrifice one of Garnacho and Mainoo in the summer if we're going to be able to do anything meaningful with the squad.

Right now it's hard to be too bothered about which one of the two will end up going.
 
Pickle85 said:
:lol:yeah that's a little much.

Trump taking humanity back to civil war and the stone age, the world increasing run by far right technobros, and AI poised to take over large portions of the workforce, but it's Mainoo reportedly asking for 180k a week that's done it.
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tomaldinho1 said:
Corrected
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It was actually the vitriol against Kobbie in here on the basis of these very ropey reports that the poster was objecting to, which is fair enough really. Far too many posters are ready and willing to foam at the mouth about our own players and don’t readily engage their brains.
 
Judas said:
Games playing obviously, tedious shite of the modern era. Don't think he's going anywhere, he'll sign a new deal, and it'll probably be for too much.
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Yeah most likely, but could be a risky time for him to play these games as his form isn’t the best, we’re skint and need to raise funds plus the new regime is seemingly way more prudent when negotiating contracts - Mainoo is just unlucky that he’s not negotiating under the Woodward/arnold eras!

But on a more serious note, there’s also been rumors that he wants to go abroad and he’s not interested in signing for another epl club - would go a tad against “negotiating tactics” if those reports are true. Alas, he won’t have a shortage of offers but he’s not get anywhere near 180k per week I’d think.
 
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