Kobbie Mainoo (out)

Seems silly to even be asking for 180k really. If anything it’ll probably get done for around the same as Amad you would suspect but Garnacho gets 50k a week, so in all honesty if we are trying to set a pay structure Amad and Mainoo should be closer to that 50k. Realisticly 80k is probably more about where they should be.

Rasmus is on 85k a week and he was brought in under the last regime of contract offerers.

Saying this just checked what Yoro is on and it’s 115k a week which probably explains why Amad got 120k so really the 120k should probably be the upper limit for age profile.

If Mainoo doesn’t want to accept around about that 120k then really if we are set on being more sensible and setting a wage structure then we are left with no option other than to sell him and see what we can get for him.

It’ll be a loss and a sad day but if it’s what needs to happen then so be it.
 
I would. He's 19 and already had started games in the euros in midfield for England. The reason he's back down the pecking order is because United are having their worst season ever, but you surely can't put that on a 19 year olds shoulders. He should be 3rd/4th choice at his age.

And so is he, and if he were 3rd or 4th choice he wouldn't have played for England. Thats why I wouldn't say he was established, I think he can become established but he has to establish himself as a regular performer for his club first
 
I did wonder about his motives when he stated that he was learning Spanish a while back.

He probably doesn't have the confidence that he'll be able to perform consistently to PL level as far as the physical requirements are concerned.
 
The way you phrase your statement, something like ‘he is asking for 200k, as per reports’ really reads (to me) that you are stating he IS asking for 200k (not might be, IS), and that this is proved by those reports.
I’m not saying that that is how you meant to write it, but I can see why people think you are presenting it as a fact. It’s unusual syntax.
Thing is, I think he probably is asking for somewhere in that region. I can completely believe his agent would try it on after some of the mad contracts we’ve handed out in recent years, plus the fact he’s outperformed guys in midfield next to him who earn 10 times his wage.

The fact is nobody here or in the press is in these meetings, so who knows for sure. It’s all a load of posturing, but the figure out there at the moment next to his name is 200k. And I don’t even blame him. Of course, I highly doubt he gets that, but the higher his asking price, the more we’ll be paying when we eventually meet in the middle. I doubt we double his wages to 40k and everyone goes home happy. It’s a high opening position for a reason, if his agent started at 60k then he’d probably only get 30.
 
Yeah most likely, but could be a risky time for him to play these games as his form isn’t the best, we’re skint and need to raise funds plus the new regime is seemingly way more prudent when negotiating contracts - Mainoo is just unlucky that he’s not negotiating under the Woodward/arnold eras!

But on a more serious note, there’s also been rumors that he wants to go abroad and he’s not interested in signing for another epl club - would go a tad against “negotiating tactics” if those reports are true. Alas, he won’t have a shortage of offers but he’s not get anywhere near 180k per week I’d think.
Yeah the way I read it is he wants to develop properly as a player so doesn't want to stay at United, but due to his ties for the club doesn't want to stay in the prem. I'd say it's a very reasonable thing and the smart thing for him and 100% what any good advisor would be telling him to do. If you're an elite talent, you really need to be developing yourself properly so you hit your potential.
 
Seems silly to even be asking for 180k really. If anything it’ll probably get done for around the same as Amad you would suspect but Garnacho gets 50k a week, so in all honesty if we are trying to set a pay structure Amad and Mainoo should be closer to that 50k. Realisticly 80k is probably more about where they should be.

Rasmus is on 85k a week and he was brought in under the last regime of contract offerers.

Saying this just checked what Yoro is on and it’s 115k a week which probably explains why Amad got 120k so really the 120k should probably be the upper limit for age profile.

If Mainoo doesn’t want to accept around about that 120k then really if we are set on being more sensible and setting a wage structure then we are left with no option other than to sell him and see what we can get for him.

It’ll be a loss and a sad day but if it’s what needs to happen then so be it.

The problem with this wage structure is that Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho are starters for Manchester United. If they were young players trying to breakthrough then sure, 50, 60, 80k would be a reasonable wage. But they're starters. What does a first 11 midfielder get paid at a big club? Lots.

It's a funny situation.
 
Yeah the way I read it is he wants to develop properly as a player so doesn't want to stay at United, but due to his ties for the club doesn't want to stay in the prem. I'd say it's a very reasonable thing and the smart thing for him and 100% what any good advisor would be telling him to do. If you're an elite talent, you really need to be developing yourself properly so you hit your potential.
Yeah, if that's the reasoning, can't really hold that against him - and especially admiring the "don't want to play for our rivals" bit etc.

He'd develop his game well in Spain, with Barca's midfield/style and I think Serie A would also be a very good fit for him.
 
Thing is, I think he probably is asking for somewhere in that region. I can completely believe his agent would try it on after some of the mad contracts we’ve handed out in recent years, plus the fact he’s outperformed guys in midfield next to him who earn 10 times his wage.

The fact is nobody here or in the press is in these meetings, so who knows for sure. It’s all a load of posturing, but the figure out there at the moment next to his name is 200k. And I don’t even blame him. Of course, I highly doubt he gets that, but the higher his asking price, the more we’ll be paying when we eventually meet in the middle. I doubt we double his wages to 40k and everyone goes home happy. It’s a high opening position for a reason, if his agent started at 60k then he’d probably only get 30.

Yeah that’s a pretty well thought-out response; and I think you’re likely correct in principle.

If I was Mainoo’s agent I would be saying ‘here is a very very highly rated, first name on the team sheet, locally born, England international at aged 18, who started matches in the very end stages of the Euros last summer’. I’d then add ‘and here is what Utd (and/or teams with similar resources) have traditionally paid those players who fall into a similar category’
Frankly, it would be remiss of his agent to NOT start like that.

If his agent has made a mistake (and it’s a massive, un-provable IF), then it’s by not reading the room, not understanding how much things have changed at Utd recently, and by not considering the response of the fan base when going to the media. But although I think it’s quite possible the agent has done exactly that, neither me nor anyone on this board can claim to know for sure.
 
Who aside from PSG who have a stacked midfield can afford him?

No one in Italy, Germany, Spain are paying £70m for him
 
The problem with this wage structure is that Mainoo, Amad and Garnacho are starters for Manchester United. If they were young players trying to breakthrough then sure, 50, 60, 80k would be a reasonable wage. But they're starters. What does a first 11 midfielder get paid at a big club? Lots.

It's a funny situation.
We have a few more established players on these sort of figures

Ugarte 120k ,
Martinez 120k
Shaw 150k
Maz 135k
Dalot 85k

Did have a quick look at the likes of Real Madrid and PSG Arda Guler is on 80k a week but Camavinga and Tchouameni are on 200k a week roughly.

PSG are paying Neves and Zaire 140k and vitnha is on 150k

So I would say around 110k-120k is probably about right. Especially being in a team just scraping past a relegation battle.

Actually looking at our wages if we get rid of most of what we expect the highest earner will be Bruno on 300k and then closest to him would be DeLigt on 190k Maguire 180k.

There is Mount on 250k but I would imagine if we could he would be shown the exit. Expect Antony, Rashford, Sancho and hopefully Cas will go so that would massively free up wages.
 
We have a few more established players on these sort of figures

Ugarte 120k ,
Martinez 120k
Shaw 150k
Maz 135k
Dalot 85k

Did have a quick look at the likes of Real Madrid and PSG Arda Guler is on 80k a week but Camavinga and Tchouameni are on 200k a week roughly.

PSG are paying Neves and Zaire 140k and vitnha is on 150k

So I would say around 110k-120k is probably about right. Especially being in a team just scraping past a relegation battle.

Actually looking at our wages if we get rid of most of what we expect the highest earner will be Bruno on 300k and then closest to him would be DeLigt on 190k Maguire 180k.

There is Mount on 250k but I would imagine if we could he would be shown the exit. Expect Antony, Rashford, Sancho and hopefully Cas will go so that would massively free up wages.
Zaire is 10x the player Mainoo is. PSG played Liverpool off the park.
 
I love Kobbie, but I do also have concerns that he lacks the athleticism that is needed in the Premier league. He rarely completes 90 minutes and he's regularly left for dead up the pitch when our attacks break down.
 
Him & Garnacho are going in the summer, ain't they?

All the signs are pointing in that direction, I hope our summer buys will be a zillion times better than the past 2 summers?
 
Him & Garnacho are going in the summer, ain't they?

All the signs are pointing in that direction, I hope our summer buys will be a zillion times better than the past 2 summers?

I think Garnacho will end up at Napoli. Mainoo I'm just not sure a big club will give him what he wants.
 
I think Garnacho will end up at Napoli. Mainoo I'm just not sure a big club will give him what he wants.
Mainoo will have all the big clubs after him. Wouldn't put too much thought in the wage demands, but the interest will be there from all the very best clubs in Europe without a doubt. City and Chelsea we already know have been long after him. Usually clubs don't start an interest for a home grown player as they think there's no chance, but if he does want to leave then they'll all be trying to get him. Because he's an elite talent.
 
Mainoo will have all the big clubs after him. Wouldn't put too much thought in the wage demands, but the interest will be there from all the very best clubs in Europe without a doubt. City and Chelsea we already know have been long after him. Usually clubs don't start an interest for a home grown player as they think there's no chance, but if he does want to leave then they'll all be trying to get him. Because he's an elite talent.
The suggestion has been he wishes to go abroad so harder to find a club who would be interested in paying an amount we'd be interested in taking. I think that's a bigger hurdle here than his wage demands.
 
Mainoo will have all the big clubs after him. Wouldn't put too much thought in the wage demands, but the interest will be there from all the very best clubs in Europe without a doubt. City and Chelsea we already know have been long after him. Usually clubs don't start an interest for a home grown player as they think there's no chance, but if he does want to leave then they'll all be trying to get him. Because he's an elite talent.

I meant abroad, European clubs aren't flush with cash outside of PSG and I assume the club will ask for £70-90m. What clubs outside of England do you see offering that amount of money?
 
The suggestion has been he wishes to go abroad so harder to find a club who would be interested in paying an amount we'd be interested in taking. I think that's a bigger hurdle here than his wage demands.
Yeah I agree the harder part will be the club agreeing an acceptable fee. I don't think he'd have an issue with wages and interest, as I think all of the major clubs would go for him.
 
Mainoo will have all the big clubs after him. Wouldn't put too much thought in the wage demands, but the interest will be there from all the very best clubs in Europe without a doubt. City and Chelsea we already know have been long after him. Usually clubs don't start an interest for a home grown player as they think there's no chance, but if he does want to leave then they'll all be trying to get him. Because he's an elite talent.
I can guarantee no club in Europe will pay him £180k a week and that's the whole crux of the matter. Great talent but not a £180k a week talent right now. I'm sure we're going to give himan incredible pay rise from where he is right now. Probably up to £120k a week. If he wants more than that with his current body of work, then we need to move on. Saka is on £195k a week right now and Mainoo is nowhere near that level yet.
 
I can guarantee no club in Europe will pay him £180k a week and that's the whole crux of the matter. Great talent but not a £180k a week talent right now. I'm sure we're going to give himan incredible pay rise from where he is right now. Probably up to £120k a week. If he wants more than that with his current body of work, then we need to move on. Saka is on £195k a week right now and Mainoo is nowhere near that level yet.
I don't think he'll ask for that much elsewhere and I think that's widely exaggerated here too. But I do think he's asking for more to stay at United than if he were to go elsewhere, which makes sense. We are a shit show and staying here makes it less likely he actually develops properly. So it's fair for him to ask the club to pay more for the trade off of being part of a turbulent time with low chance of club success and probably at the risk of his own career achievements. So the thing we have to offer is... Money.
 
The contract offers for these younger players reflect the fact that they may be first-teamers right now but really they shouldn’t be! Mainoo is another one, someone offers £70m I’d snap their hand off.
 
I would happily sell him for the right fee, it would help us PSR wise and if rumors are true and he's demanding crazy wages then his head is not on the right place and he'll lost likely end up like Rashford so move on from him.
 
Yeah the way I read it is he wants to develop properly as a player so doesn't want to stay at United, but due to his ties for the club doesn't want to stay in the prem. I'd say it's a very reasonable thing and the smart thing for him and 100% what any good advisor would be telling him to do. If you're an elite talent, you really need to be developing yourself properly so you hit your potential.
I think so too.

I'm of a mind that if Mainoo wants to leave we should let him but, to be clear, I also hold no ill-will to him for taking the position he's taking. I think the current standing of the club combined with his likely earnings potential should he move elsewhere makes it an entirely reasonable position, in fact.
 
At first I was accused of pulling a figure out of my arse. All I’m doing is saying the number reported in the press. Don’t come after me because the people saying it aren’t reliable enough for you, it’s still the figure he’s reportedly asking for.
Why? He’s asking for 200k, as per many reports. What else do you need?

You're right, you didn't pull the figure out of your arse, you pulled it straight out of The Sun. Because that is where the 200k are coming from. So what I would like to see is actually naming one's source.
"The Sun says he wants 200k", that would be the honest way of putting it, and it would sound much less ominous.

The gutter press has been pitting United fans against United players for years, because as this exchange proves, it is so incredibly easy to do. Just write, "[insert (I want to write: black, but let's not go there) youngster] wants [insert high figure]", and thousands of fans are up in arms instantaneously calling the player greedy and overrated.
You're being played like a fiddle for clicks, and what's suffering is the support and rapport of our fans to our team.
 
If this is true I'd be impressed by him and his team. He doesn't have the athleticism to be a top level premier league midfielder, especially in a 2 like Amorim is playing now.

Yeah, he might get a bigger pay day with United but he's going to be exposed badly and his reputation will be ripped to shreds by the media as United struggle mid table. Think he would have a longer and more fruitful career playing abroad.
 
We have to sell everyone with value if they want any chance of rebuilding something new after all the failed investments made in the squad.


No club comes close to United when it comes to transfer flops.
  • Antony £95M
  • Maguire £87M
  • Sancho £85M
  • Højlund £73M
  • Casemiro £70M
  • Fernandez £65M
  • Mount £64M
  • Martinez £57M
  • Ugarte £50M
  • Onana £50M
  • De Ligt £45M
  • Zirkzee £42M

This group alone has cost £783M – just for this bunch of useless players (except Fernandez).


It’s unbelievable how poor United’s transfer business has been!


Fernandez is probably the only one who comes close to being worth the money. It’s just insane that people this bad at their job can completely ruin a club.
No wonder we have no money...
 
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Think he will stay

Sounds like completely standard negotiations, just getting huge coverage cos it's United
He will want some of the compensation in his new contract for being on low wages of £20k per week for two years ?
 
We have to sell everyone with value if they want any chance of rebuilding something new after all the failed investments made in the squad.


No club comes close to United when it comes to transfer flops.
  • Antony £95M
  • Maguire £87M
  • Sancho £85M
  • Højlund £73M
  • Casemiro £70M
  • Fernandez £65M
  • Mount £64M
  • Martinez £57M
  • Ugarte £50M
  • Onana £50M
  • De Ligt £45M
  • Zirkzee £42M

This group alone has cost £783M – just for this bunch of useless players (except Fernandez).


It’s unbelievable how poor United’s transfer business has been!


Fernandez is probably the only one who comes close to being worth the money. It’s just insane that people this bad at their job can completely ruin a club.
No wonder we have no money...
Totally agree but the figures you quote are if we win the EPL and CL with bonuses take at least £100m off those numbers as nothing of any note will or has been won?
 
We have to sell everyone with value if they want any chance of rebuilding something new after all the failed investments made in the squad.


No club comes close to United when it comes to transfer flops.
  • Antony £95M
  • Maguire £87M
  • Sancho £85M
  • Højlund £73M
  • Casemiro £70M
  • Fernandez £65M
  • Mount £64M
  • Martinez £57M
  • Ugarte £50M
  • Onana £50M
  • De Ligt £45M
  • Zirkzee £42M

This group alone has cost £783M – just for this bunch of useless players (except Fernandez).


It’s unbelievable how poor United’s transfer business has been!


Fernandez is probably the only one who comes close to being worth the money. It’s just insane that people this bad at their job can completely ruin a club.
No wonder we have no money...
It would be even worse if we'd paid those transfer fees you've overinflated rather than the actual ones we paid.
 
This thread has exposed a few things:

1. A player negotiates for a pay rise from his 20k a week. A player with enormous potential, who I think we can all agree deserves a new, much better contract.

2. Element of the negotiations become public, but are impossible to verify, especially including the specific wage demands of the player. Yet people take these rumours as gospel and very quickly turn on the player.

3. Because the player has the temerity to negotiate for what he thinks he’s worth, and float the possibility of leaving to get it, he is automatically pulled to pieces as not being good enough, likely by the same people who deemed him the second coming around this time last season.

The fact is, none of us know what is going on behind closed doors, what he is actually asking, nor what the club is actually offering.

I agree with the general principles that all contracts for players should be heavily incentive based to avoid the repetition of past mistakes. This approach should be so set in stone at this point, as to not even be a point for debate. It’s just best practice, period. I also believe that any wages for a player under 23, should probably include incremental increases year on year as they accumulate more experience and quality, with there being a minimum threshold of appearances to trigger each yearly increase. I also agree that the club should never be held to ransom over wages by any player, no matter how good. I also want to acknowledge that there is no indication whatsoever, at least none verifiable, that this is what Mainoo is doing.

The people suddenly slating him, especially his ability, are depressingly ignorant in their analysis of player development. The kid is 19 years old, and has already performed to a very high level. Yes he has area to improve, but you know….again….hes 19 years old. I’ve drawn comparisons in the past to where other players were in their career at 19, players who went on to become all time greats, yet it seems to fall on deaf ears as Mainoo is expected to be the finished article already. If we listened to the “wisdom” of these fans, we probably would have only brought through about 4 academy products in the last century.

Selling Mainoo would only be necessary if he (a) really wanted to leave - not hugely hard to understand given what a clusterfeck the club has been, or (b) his wage demands were wholly unreasonable and inflexible. There is no verifiable evidence to support either of these conclusions at this early stage. And in fact there are conflicting reports saying he really wants to stay at his boyhood club.

If we sell him because the board take the same viewpoint of a vocal section of the online fanbase in thinking he’s a treacherous, greedy sod for negotiating for the best possible terms; or simply that at 19, and after being our best player last season, he’s actually rubbish after all and has feet of clay - then we may as well give up any hope of ever being a great club again. Just like you don’t produce players of the talent and appetite of Marcus Rashford, and then ruin them by over rewarding them too early and indulging their worst instincts; you also don’t produce players of the talent and potential of Mainoo and Garnacho, and then jettison them because you need FFP wiggle room, or they negotiated hard for their new contract. Not if you want to live up to your billing as the biggest club in the country. If that’s what people want us to be, we may as well change our name to Chelsea FC and be done with it.

Probably the last time I bother commenting in threads like this, because so many of the posts are utter knee jerk drivel. So I’ll close by saying that as a club our one identifiable philosophy above all others is the development and promotion of youth. Manchester United makes stars, it doesn’t buy them. Inherent to this is understanding that player development takes time and in non-linear. It’s full of ups and downs. 18, 19, 20, or even 21, are not ages at which you can accurately judge how good a player will be, except in extreme cases. Player development requires the dirtiest words in the online fan handbook…..patience, perspective and support. At a club level, especially in the modern environment of extreme wealth, it requires incredible care in moulding a players reward and value systems to ensure they not only don’t lose motivation - either actively or subconsciously - but also develop the right discipline and collaborative skills to match the institutions standards, and govern their whole career. Fergie was a master at this, but after he left it became “Disneyland”, as Woodward put it. A culture which derailed a generation of young players. Assuming under Ineos, Berrada, Wilcox, and Amorim, the culture is put right, then the absolute priority should be to keep players like Mainoo, and do everything we can to carefully develop them into world class operators. They won’t always make it, but that has always been the case.

Some of the comments in here are palpably stupid.
 
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We have to sell everyone with value if they want any chance of rebuilding something new after all the failed investments made in the squad.


No club comes close to United when it comes to transfer flops.
  • Antony £95M
  • Maguire £87M
  • Sancho £85M
  • Højlund £73M
  • Casemiro £70M
  • Fernandez £65M
  • Mount £64M
  • Martinez £57M
  • Ugarte £50M
  • Onana £50M
  • De Ligt £45M
  • Zirkzee £42M

This group alone has cost £783M – just for this bunch of useless players (except Fernandez).


It’s unbelievable how poor United’s transfer business has been!


Fernandez is probably the only one who comes close to being worth the money. It’s just insane that people this bad at their job can completely ruin a club.
No wonder we have no money...

Calling Martinez "useless" is definitely harsh. He was a solid signing but unfortunately he has a lot of problems with injuries. Ugarte and De Ligt have been decent so far as well. I agree with your overall point. It's not just the transfer money that we've spent but also the kind of ridiculous wages that we gave to our players.

No player should be above 150k a week and we need to buy good players for a decent fee and to have a better recruitment strategy. As I've said previously here on RC, I believe that our transfer policy has been bad since 2008 and the Fergie days. We sold Ronaldo and Tevez, and we got washed Owen and Valencia as their "replacements". We also bought the huge flops like Obertan and Bebe. It's just that Fergie got away with that
because he was a genius who could turn average players into the world class ones.