I don’t think the club would sell the likes of Mainoo for any price, I think leaking this news is just a way to keep every player on their toes, they can’t get too comfortable no matter how good they are. Look what happen Rashford when he started to believe his own hype.
Kobbie Mainoo (out)
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It’s besides the point, but like any other talented young player there’s always risks involved no matter how high their ceiling is. I just fail to see how anyone can argue, considering the overall mess we’re in, that it’s a good idea to throw that type of wages at him when he’s still stepping into the first team, the type of money that the vast majority of clubs wouldn’t be able to pay him if it turns out that his development isn’t as good as we expect and we reach a point where we want to sell him.
There’s likely to be a need to sit down and hold talks over an improved contract, but he can easily get a wage increase with the agreement that based on his and club performance there will be new talks in a few years about improving it further.
Maybe I am wrong but if we sell Rashford for even say 40-50 million, that would be pure profit that can easily fund two players purchases. I really don't know if we need to sell Garnacho even for meeting the financial requirements. However, we may want to cash in on Garnacho now when his stock is high, as he doesn't really fit into manager's new play style.
Kobbie has another couple of years to get considerably quicker covering ground on the pitch and if he can achieve that then I would have no problem rewarding him with a contract that matches his individual and team performances in that time.
Yeah, mostly this and I was talking about the summer when we'll definitely need more than the Rashford cash. Wouldn't sell him in Jan for sure.
The "pure profit" stuff is a red herring in almost all cases. PSR problems are money problems, and if you use income from a Rashford sale to fund two much bigger transfers, then you need to sell a Rashford the next four years as well.
In anything other than a very short term view, selling a player for £X allows the club to spend an extra £X plus wages saved. Book value, profit, loss, doesn't matter.
What makes you think it’s the club keeping Mainoo on his toes and not the other way around? I think players and unfortunately some of those from our academy are realising they can leave United and have a better career (McTominay, Elanga, Sancho) than if they stay at this circus.
Selling academy players is something we’ve always been poor at which we definitely need to improve but players like Mainoo who are exceptional talents, we shouldn’t ever be a club they want to leave nor should we be in a situation where we don’t retain them.
It’s a telling indictment of how far we’ve fallen both on field and financially off field
Can you clarify your comment? I was under the impression that in PSR, anytime we sell a player, the sale value - cost of player acquisition (amortized) gets added to the profit/loss.
Also I understand that our current PSR problems are rather temporary due to our reckless spending recently and would sort itself out (provided we don't go crazy again) in a couple of years.
Considering our financial issues, every player has his price. For too long it's only gone 1 way for this club. I mean, Declan Rice did go for £100M recently so you'll never know what kind of crazy offers we might get for Kobbie.
While I do think he has great potential and I'd like us playing homegrown players, If someone offers £150M for Kobbie I'd take the deal as I don't think he's sufficiently well-rounded or good enough in certain skill-sets to be a sure-fire world class midfielder, or justify a £150K/w wage right now. If he does turn into one, we got fair value for it.
While I do think he has great potential and I'd like us playing homegrown players, If someone offers £150M for Kobbie I'd take the deal as I don't think he's sufficiently well-rounded or good enough in certain skill-sets to be a sure-fire world class midfielder, or justify a £150K/w wage right now. If he does turn into one, we got fair value for it.
It's a nothing story really.
Even prime Messi given the right amount is not out of reach , it's just that the chances of anyone offering such an amount is close to zero.
Will we sell him for say 200 mil sure, will anyone offer anything close to that, I reckon no.
Even prime Messi given the right amount is not out of reach , it's just that the chances of anyone offering such an amount is close to zero.
Will we sell him for say 200 mil sure, will anyone offer anything close to that, I reckon no.
That's just incredibly poor squad planning on the part of the club to only decide whether to sell/keep him when he's on the verge of his contract expiring.
It'll either give him an obscene amount of leverage if he does well (he'll probably be asking 350k+ then by threatening to walk for free a la Rashford), or it'll completely diminish his market value if he doesn't. There is simply no win for the club in that scenario.
3 years left on his contract is the ideal time to decide whether to extend or sell. We have to be decisive
Imagine Citeh comes in with 100m and we accept
And another 70m for Garnacho
I think I’d be done with Utd at that point. It’s so ridiculous
And another 70m for Garnacho
I think I’d be done with Utd at that point. It’s so ridiculous
Reports that he wants 200K per week. As much as love his kind of player, the way the club is run comes before any individual. He’s not accomplished anything to be such a mega earner. Hopefully these stories aren’t true.
Listening to offers doesn't mean accepting any offer
If he wants 100K I’m sure he’ll get it. Yoro has just signed on 130K.
It’s just the 150-200K territory which is dangerous.
I wouldn’t. It’s not easy to find special midfield talents and he’s one of our own.
Not worried about this at all.
He clearly deserves a raise from the £20k he has now, and i think he will come down from the £200k(if true) that’s speculated in the media.
It’s a short career with no guarantee that you won’t get a career ending injury, so asking high isn’t that weird tbh especially how he consistently proved last year that he has a high ceiling. Feels more like a sophomore slump this year, and feels like he’s just getting up to speed now considering his last performances that has been good.
The ”worry of lack of CL football” just seems like a bargaining chip in this. He also has the fact that he was selected into the England squad last summer which is quite the achievement.
Compared to Rashford, he seems to be a level headed guy considering his age. He knows we can’t give out suicidal deals like we’ve done with Rashford and Casemiro. So I think he’ll accept something between £100k-120k for the rest of his contract. If he keeps performing consistently he’ll naturally earn more.
Do also suspect he sees potential in a solid long term partnership with Ugarte, and hopefully with an emergence of Koné we’d have a very solid midfield for a long time.
Yeah, not worried at all.
He clearly deserves a raise from the £20k he has now, and i think he will come down from the £200k(if true) that’s speculated in the media.
It’s a short career with no guarantee that you won’t get a career ending injury, so asking high isn’t that weird tbh especially how he consistently proved last year that he has a high ceiling. Feels more like a sophomore slump this year, and feels like he’s just getting up to speed now considering his last performances that has been good.
The ”worry of lack of CL football” just seems like a bargaining chip in this. He also has the fact that he was selected into the England squad last summer which is quite the achievement.
Compared to Rashford, he seems to be a level headed guy considering his age. He knows we can’t give out suicidal deals like we’ve done with Rashford and Casemiro. So I think he’ll accept something between £100k-120k for the rest of his contract. If he keeps performing consistently he’ll naturally earn more.
Do also suspect he sees potential in a solid long term partnership with Ugarte, and hopefully with an emergence of Koné we’d have a very solid midfield for a long time.
Yeah, not worried at all.
He can’t even comfortably complete 90mins and he is asking for such amount.
Yep, the harm from the previous regime still - handing out mega contracts like it’s nothing. We’re still reeling from entire “Disneyland” era.
We literally have two central mifielders in Mainoo and Ugarte good enough and the right age right now. So people who would sell him for £100m....when you then need 3 midfeilders, how do you spend that money beneficially?
I think this absoltue nonsense.....Yoro is untouchable when he has barely played and Maiinoo, bar Greenwood our most promising youth player in a very long time is a sellable asset....hang your head in shame
I think this absoltue nonsense.....Yoro is untouchable when he has barely played and Maiinoo, bar Greenwood our most promising youth player in a very long time is a sellable asset....hang your head in shame
Neves whom is a similar age is earning 174 000 euro a week at PSG so He could feasibly use that as a comparison.
He gets picked in front of Casemiro so that could be another argument in his favour.
It would be great if he could show respect to the club that has nurtured him and given him the platform to perform at the highest level so hopefully that maybe the path he takes.
He gets picked in front of Casemiro so that could be another argument in his favour.
It would be great if he could show respect to the club that has nurtured him and given him the platform to perform at the highest level so hopefully that maybe the path he takes.
Firstly, I said reluctantly, of course I want him to stay. But if at his age he is already demanding 200k, no way should we pay that, in 2 or 3 years he will be asking Rashford money.We need to have away from our previous wage structure.
Personally I suspect that 200k seems like a team Mainoo brief and he will probably settle at around 100k.
He’s been below average this year, but if our new billionaire owners decides to sell him, it’s a very bad sign for the club.
It would be fairly easy to find a player as good as or better than Mainoo for £100 million.
I think it would be daft to sell him for £30 or £40 million say, but he's way overrated by a lot of United fans because he's the only midfielder we've had in some time that is particularly composed with the ball in tight areas.
He's not physically as able as a lot of players and although a good player with potential, he doesn't look an absolutely outstanding player that we can guarantee will be world class.
If he's holding the club to ransom for stupid wages I'd be happy for the club to take a good offer if it came in.
Respect works both ways though, academy players often get far less than worse players who were bought for millions.
If it respectful to offer him half what Mount or Antony are on?
People will argue they're somewhat established, but there's just no way he should earn less than Yoro for example
Yeah, it's one of those things that are true for any club but you don't really put out there.I know I said I wouldn't sell Mainoo under any financial circumstances but if the news on the requested wages is true then its time to reconsider. Asking for 200k a weekvis insane. Based on what exactly? He can't even complete 90 minutes regularly and has looked 2 steps behind everybody this season. How the hell can he expect us to pay him like an established PL star?
His camp using what we've paid other bum players in the team as a yardstick simply does not wash because we are actively trying to get rid of all of those players which should suggest to his camp that we are not going to do the same anymore.
The only reasonable yardstick he should be using is the wages we are paying other youngsters in the team like Amad, Yoro, Garnacho and Hojlund and there is no way we are paying those players anywhere near 200K a week. 200K a week is Van Dijk territory
His camp using what we've paid other bum players in the team as a yardstick simply does not wash because we are actively trying to get rid of all of those players which should suggest to his camp that we are not going to do the same anymore.
The only reasonable yardstick he should be using is the wages we are paying other youngsters in the team like Amad, Yoro, Garnacho and Hojlund and there is no way we are paying those players anywhere near 200K a week. 200K a week is Van Dijk territory
I don't think the wages he is asking for are unreasonable considering the level of hype that was drummed up about him from the fanbase, the club, his peers etc. When then reflected toward other players in your squad like Rashford who are on even more money than that, it makes sense.
In terms of those factors it's a fair reflection.
In terms of those factors it's a fair reflection.
I know I said I wouldn't sell Mainoo under any financial circumstances but if the news on the requested wages is true then its time to reconsider. Asking for 200k a weekvis insane. Based on what exactly? He can't even complete 90 minutes regularly and has looked 2 steps behind everybody this season. How the hell can he expect us to pay him like an established PL star?
His camp using what we've paid other bum players in the team as a yardstick simply does not wash because we are actively trying to get rid of all of those players which should suggest to his camp that we are not going to do the same anymore.
The only reasonable yardstick he should be using is the wages we are paying other youngsters in the team like Amad, Yoro, Garnacho and Hojlund and there is no way we are paying those players anywhere near 200K a week. 200K a week is Van Dijk territory
I think that’s why the club are getting Amad’s contract sorted out first, then they can point to that when it comes to negotiating Mainoo’s new deal and say well this is a young player that’s in the same bracket who’s been our best attacker this season and this is what he’s earning in his new deal so asking for £200k a week is just not happening.
I dunno about that, man. If it’s true, he’s asking for 200k a week, that’s way over the top and he will not get it. The clubs trying to move away from those type of contracts. It’s also 10x his current salary. If it’s closer to 80-100k a week then yeah I think that’s absolutely fair enough, but 160-200 is too much.
Can't agree. He can ask for whatever he likes, doesn't mean he will be getting it. Though maybe you can take the alternate view and say that Amad is getting mugged off and that he should be asking for £200k a week too then?
There's so much bullshit in the press, both pure speculation and leaks from people who want to play a certain game, that it's hard to figure out how true this is. But for both Garna and Mainoo to be on the block would be astounding no matter how dire ManUtd's financial situation is. Much rather get Case, Rash etc's wages off the books. Surely that has a bigger impact even if we get less for them in the sale
I agree. People are underestimating how difficult it is to just obtain one of these talents. Most of them already play for "final destination" level clubs, and the others will probably lost 80-100m or more. Mainoo being one of our own is a big plus too.
I think the issue is most of these mega contracts were handed out by the previous regime and most of these big earners we’re looking to move on and get our wage structure back to a sensible level. I don’t think players can point to the likes of Rashford, Casemiro etc. anymore and say I want what they’re on as INEOS can just say it wasn’t us that give them those contracts and they’d have never have gotten that kind of money had we been there at the time.
Putting him on £200k a week is just insane tbh, far too much for a 20yr old kid who just had his breakthrough season last year.
That's not me saying he should be getting 200k or that the club should pay him it, but I think from a Mainoo and his representatives point of view, when they look around at the hype and relative value that United and the fanbase demonstrated that he is/was and they look at the United squad and the wages which have been distributed to players (From their point of view it doesn't really matter if it was INEOS or the previous ownership) then it's a fair reflection from them to try and makes sense.
They (Mainoo and his reps) have to look at the market they're operating in rather than the market INEOS want to operate in.
A brief from both sides if I ever saw one.
Contract negotiations these days, aye? *Sips coffee nervously*
Contract negotiations these days, aye? *Sips coffee nervously*
I wouldn't give him 200k, but I don't blame him or his agent for trying to get that when you look at salaries for the likes of Mount, Antony, Rashford, Casemiro etc.
£120-150k would be reasonable relative to our wage structure. It's still too much for a lad his age but we have a long way to go in terms fixing the wage bill
£120-150k would be reasonable relative to our wage structure. It's still too much for a lad his age but we have a long way to go in terms fixing the wage bill
I think bottom line here is that if we sell someone who's an important first team regular, plays for England at his early age, is without doubt one of the best young midfielders in Europe and has a lot of the characteristics we seek and otherwise don't have in what is an obvious weak area of the squad, how consistent is that with being a team that aims to establish itself as a title challenger in the next 2-3 seasons?
A contract has to reflect both what he brings and what you expect him to bring within the timespan of the contract. On the former basis, 150,000 p/w doesn't seem excessive to me. On expectation over the next five or whatever years, 200,000 doesn't look outlandish either. In any case, what Chelsea or other PL suitors is prepared to pay him is effectively his market value. If we want to keep him, that's the benchmark, whether we like it or not.
A contract has to reflect both what he brings and what you expect him to bring within the timespan of the contract. On the former basis, 150,000 p/w doesn't seem excessive to me. On expectation over the next five or whatever years, 200,000 doesn't look outlandish either. In any case, what Chelsea or other PL suitors is prepared to pay him is effectively his market value. If we want to keep him, that's the benchmark, whether we like it or not.
Completely ignoring the fact that the wages we are paying Rashford are half pur issue and something we are making a big effort to remedy.
He can’t use an outgoing Glazer contract as a metric for a future facing Ineos contract. If he insists on doing so the club will sell him and rightly so.
Pogba was immensely talented but SAF let him go for similar reasons and was right to do so as we all later discovered. The difference being Kobbie can command a good fee and has a proper contract already.