Kobbie Mainoo (out)

Seems like a briefing. I'm hoping it's just part of the negotiation tactics, but I don't think you put this out there unless you're actively encouraging offers.

Would be an outrageous decision to sell. All this talk of accepting £100-150m is assuming that:

A) all the money would actually be put towards recruitment

B) we wouldn't just piss it up against the wall like we normally do
 
He's playing for a club where a bunch of his colleagues are making £200k+ for being shit and/or injured almost every week. We've got a player out on loan, contributing literally nothing whatsoever to the club, while we pay his £300k/w wages or whatever it is. He's also being asked to tie himself to a club that has been in absolute turmoil for over a decade and is only going downhill, with a crazy ownership situation, a collapsing stadium, and potential financial problems in the future. If he did indeed ask for £200k/w (and we don't know if that's true), I honestly can't say he's out of order.

After just breaking into the senior level and establishing yourself as one of the big names amongst rising talents, would you be thrilled to shackle yourself to this club in its current state? I think it's entirely reasonable to expect some serious incentives. If he stays, the most likely scenario for him is that he spends the most important years of his career at a club in disarray and with very meager prospects of actually winning anything. I would expect to be paid well for that. He isn't some fringe player who's lucky to be here. We're talking about building the club's future around him.
 
Lads and ladies please stop biting at this absolute bs. Chris Wheeler / the Daily Mail coming out with an outlandish rumour that’s going to generate lots of clicks, hardly a first is it. I’m slightly disappointed in Ornstein as I thought he was above this type of journalism where you say one thing and then protect yourself at the end with a caveat. He literally says we aren’t actively looking to sell.

Every player has their price at the end of the day. Cole Palmer does, Odegaard does, Vini Jr does, as does Mainoo. No player especially in our circumstance should feel like they are unsellable. Sir Alex implanted that mentality within the dressing room and despite having to sell a few top players because of it, we still came out on top.

Selling Garnacho is believable and would kinda make sense. He’s out of the side, out of form, doesn’t have a clear spot in the team, would fetch at least £50m, and would be pure profit. Mainoo on the other hand is first choice when fit, has a clear place in the new system, is starting to pick up a bit of form and he would be far harder to replace. Add to that he’s also a local lad and a poster boy for the academy.

Regarding his contract demands, who knows what is true, but we’re in no rush and should be telling him we’re not talking about it until the summer. You’d think that would motivate him to go have a stellar second half the season and instead of getting maybe 100-120k, demonstrate on the pitch he deserves 120-150k, cos he certainly hasn’t shown that consistently enough this season.
 
Has to be bullshit. Didn't Mainoo reject City several times at youth level? He doesn't seem like someone to me who would get impatient / greedy into his 2nd United season and leave the club as a result.

This notion regarding his salary is weird too. If he's really on £20k per week at the moment, then extending with him will be the easiest thing to do. Offer him around £115k-125k which is a big increase and reflects his role / ability well IMO, as one of the best U20 players in the league and an important player for a top 6 side.

If both him and United as a club continue their upward trajectory within the next 3 years as intended, then he'll be in line for a bump to £200-250k when he's 23 and we are an elite level team by then. Similar to what Arsenal have done with Saka and Saliba if my memory serves me well.

This is really not a difficult contract situation to manage IMO.
Lets get the sequence right and make sure we are a top 6 club first before we pay 20 year olds such wages. If he is on 20k per week, we can put him on 75k plus a few achievable add ons based on appearances so he has a chance to get to 90k. We are 13th ffs. With the speed of some of you, you'll offer him 375k as soon as we get 4th again. We have to get out of this saviour complex and big up our players to ridiculous levels. He is 19. There are so many young players who weren't able to reinvent themselves when opponents started to be prepared for them. Mainoo could also turn out like Pogba, a shiny precision tool that is great to work with but only if the perfect environment is guaranteed.
 
Well unfortunately for you they didn’t make a serious offer to buy the club, so I’m unsure why you would even consider them an option?
I don’t know in what universe a $6bn world record bid for a sports club isn’t a considered a serious offer. In truth, I don’t think the Glazers actually wanted to sell, they just wanted some investment so they could continue to milk their cash cow and Sir Jim gave them that lifeline
 
He played 2/3rds of the league games and some important cup games. He’s a very good player and deserves the increase… the mistakes we’ve made haven’t been rewarding good players/performances, it’s been rewarding rubbish. Two different things.

Amad wasn’t out of contract, we had an option to take to 2026. He gets a better contract… because he deserves it. Like Mainoo.
The mistake in the past was rewarding players with stretches of good form. Look where that got us with Martial and Rashford.
 
Seems like a briefing. I'm hoping it's just part of the negotiation tactics, but I don't think you put this out there unless you're actively encouraging offers.

Would be an outrageous decision to sell. All this talk of accepting £100-150m is assuming that:

A) all the money would actually be put towards recruitment

B) we wouldn't just piss it up against the wall like we normally do
We wouldn't get close to that l.
 
He's playing for a club where a bunch of his colleagues are making £200k+ for being shit and/or injured almost every week. We've got a player out on loan, contributing literally nothing whatsoever to the club, while we pay his £300k/w wages or whatever it is. He's also being asked to tie himself to a club that has been in absolute turmoil for over a decade and is only going downhill, with a crazy ownership situation, a collapsing stadium, and potential financial problems in the future. If he did indeed ask for £200k/w (and we don't know if that's true), I honestly can't say he's out of order.

After just breaking into the senior level and establishing yourself as one of the big names amongst rising talents, would you be thrilled to shackle yourself to this club in its current state? I think it's entirely reasonable to expect some serious incentives. If he stays, the most likely scenario for him is that he spends the most important years of his career at a club in disarray and with very meager prospects of actually winning anything. I would expect to be paid well for that. He isn't some fringe player who's lucky to be here. We're talking about building the club's future around him.

For the sake of argument, let's assume he's asking for 200K. If so, he's a boyhood United fan, was given a chance last season. The overpaid players you speak of are mostly in the process of being offloaded (Casemiro, Rashford, Antony, Eriksen) and we'll see whether Bruno can actually show consistent good form and whether Mount can actually play football for extended periods. Sancho is in the process of being bought by Chelsea, as the clause will kick in as soon as they've mathematically guaranteed a top 12 finish.

Yoro was bought for a huge fee and wanted by Real, he's on 115K. The club is in the process (Bruno's new contract aside) of rectifying years of massively overpaying players. What we of course should be doing is including collective incentivised bonuses as a big chunk of any potential wage, and much lower base salaries.

This club is obviously looking to improve and there are many indicators that we're on the right track despite the recent form and plethora of negative headlines (mostly of INEOS making).

Mainoo has also benefitted from our absolute lack of midfield options. We should have four capable centre midfielders in the squad, when in reality we have Ugarte and Mainoo. Eriksen does not have the legs and neither does Casemiro, though the latter is a bit better if and only if he's paired next to Ugarte.

Now, we must also think about what type of characters do we want at the club and what kind of dressing room do we want to create. We gave Rashford 250K a week when he was 21. That was a huge mistake, among many mistakes at the time, as our wage bill was off the charts and our squad was average.

So if we cannot negotiate a more prudent salary with performance related bonuses, we should move him on in the summer to the highest bidder.

That all being said, I'd be amazed if he's part of the entitlement clique.
 
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As long as the increase is within reason! that’s the issue. Giving a 19 year old who hasn’t performed for a full season (yet) over 100k is the same kinda crazy that’s got United in the mess it is.

Also Amad’s June 2026 compared to Mainoo’s June 2028 is not the same.
 
Lamine Yamal is on circa €35k. One of the issues we have had, is rewarding young players big wages or bigging them up too early. Players start seeing the green. Rashford is the prime example.
 
Lets get the sequence right and make sure we are a top 6 club first before we pay 20 year olds such wages. If he is on 20k per week, we can put him on 75k plus a few achievable add ons based on appearances so he has a chance to get to 90k. We are 13th ffs. With the speed of some of you, you'll offer him 375k as soon as we get 4th again.

75k is a bit too low for him IMO. That's squad player level wages or even less at a club like United. Mainoo's emerged as one of the best young midfielders in Europe and has been very important for us, and one of our best players. He was also an important player at a major international tournament for his country where he massively contributed to them reaching the final. All before turning 20.

There's no point in trying to lowball our youth players, especially if they're special like Mainoo is. We also can't pay Newcastle/West Ham/Spurs level wages when we're the biggest and richest (organically) in the land, with the biggest ambitions too.

I think the pathway is clear for Mainoo regarding his wages. Big bump now just over 100k, and then another big bump at around 23 when he's hopefully one of the best #8s in the league...although he kind of already is.
 
Athletic reporting the following bullshit:

“But there is uncertainty over Mainoo’s future, given his contract expires in the summer of 2027 — it includes an option to extend by 12 months — and there have so far been no developments over a new contract for the England international.”

He has 2 more years in his current contract and an extension that can be triggered.

You know this is a non story and just articles pulled together out of someone’s arse as clickbait.

Lindelof, Dalot, Casemiro, Rash, Mount, Shaw, Antony, Garnacho would all go before Mainoo is considered as an option.
Please don’t talk sense around here, mate

If anyone is leaking, it’s his agent trying to invent stories in order to raise the stakes for Kobbie, but even more, for himself. Maybe the club will find a middle ground before a realistic time to renew arrives…. and if they don’t, well, he has an ongoing contract which puts the club in the driving seat, which is how it should be.

“INEOS greed” ffs. Some around here need to grow up a bit. We’ve become a laughing stock under the mess EW left and desperately need to stop the money haemorrhaging or we won’t be recruiting from Salford, never mind Barca, RM etc
 
Lamine Yamal is on circa €35k. One of the issues we have had, is rewarding young players big wages or bigging them up too early. Players start seeing the green. Rashford is the prime example.

And your counter argument is a kid who was given €35k per week 3 months after turning 16?

You can also be sure that Barca will give him a massive increase relatively soon as well.
 
I don’t know in what universe a $6bn world record bid for a sports club isn’t a considered a serious offer. In truth, I don’t think the Glazers actually wanted to sell, they just wanted some investment so they could continue to milk their cash cow and Sir Jim gave them that lifeline
In the universe where the firm brokering the deal for the Glazer's weren't convinced by any of the financial evidence provided as part of the bid. Also, SJR technically offered more money per share, it was just for a smaller amount.

I hate the Glazer's as much as the next man, but for them it was the better deal. The Qatari's weren't serious, or at least not as much as Ratcliffe turned out to be.
 
Lamine Yamal is on circa €35k. One of the issues we have had, is rewarding young players big wages or bigging them up too early. Players start seeing the green. Rashford is the prime example.
Barca have their own financial issues going on to be fair. Yamal is also 2 years younger than Mainoo for what it's worth.
 
And your counter argument is a kid who was given €35k per week 3 months after turning 16?

You can also be sure that Barca will give him a massive increase relatively soon as well.
That was part of a bigger point which I made after.
 
That was part of a bigger point which I made after.

But Mainoo is our lowest paid first team player other than Gore and Collyer. And those two are arguably not first team players. Do you think he shouldn't get an increase? The likes of Heaton, Bayindir, Garnacho, Evans, Malacia, Dalot, Hojlund, Lindelöf, and Zirkzee all earn double or several times more than him.
 
But Mainoo is our lowest paid first team player other than Gore and Collyer. Do you think he shouldn't get an increase? The likes of Heaton, Bayindir, Garnacho, Evans, Malacia, Dalot, Hojlund, Lindelöf, and Zirkzee all earn double or several times more than him.
You're missing the point, of course he should get a pay rise, circa £80k is reasonable, not the reported demand of £200k.
 
75k is a bit too low for him IMO. That's squad player level wages or even less at a club like United. Mainoo's emerged as one of the best young midfielders in Europe and has been very important for us, and one of our best players. He was also an important player at a major international tournament for his country where he massively contributed to them reaching the final. All before turning 20.
Finding the right balance is definitely a tricky thing. Thats why I said in another post, I'd be happy to see the club get creative. If that means performance based add ons that are on the higher side or just a 3 year contract or some sort of step-wage. But for all that you say, and just to make sure, I really like him as a player, but lets not do the mistake of making him bigger than he is. He has been important to us and he had a good outing for the national team. But thats about it. I haven't really see him being mentioned as one of Europes best, certainly one of the most promising but not the best yet. And all that considered his low age as well. The development of players is not linear, we have to be aware of that we also do not want a player that is so hung up on big bucks at a low age.
There's no point in trying to lowball our youth players, especially if they're special like Mainoo is. We also can't pay Newcastle/West Ham/Spurs level wages when we're the biggest and richest (organically) in the land, with the biggest ambitions too.
I think this is part of a natural cleansing that should have happened long ago. Most of whats left of the past is exactly that, a shiny past. Who are we going to kid talking about big ambitions when we act the way we do? Again, I can see your point but I think, there is too much emphasis on vague things out there.
I think the pathway is clear for Mainoo regarding his wages. Big bump now just over 100k, and then another big bump at around 23 when he's hopefully one of the best #8s in the league...although he kind of already is.
Thats high praise for a player that didn't have the greatest season until the very last game in a team that is seriously underperforming. To me personally, this is exactly what we have to avoid going forward - attributing too much stuff just because our name is connected to it.
And your counter argument is a kid who was given €35k per week 3 months after turning 16?

You can also be sure that Barca will give him a massive increase relatively soon as well.
Yamal may be younger but he is shining way brighter. Even my mom know his name after the last EC. The way he is talked about globally, not just amongst United fans or maybe England fans is different - even ignoring the fact that he is delivering goals and assists which will naturally help his name, brand and therefor salary. I agree, knowing Barca they will put him on a crazy wage at some point and place a 500 gazillion release clause on top. But that club and how it operates shouldn't be our prime example.
 
Chelsea I believe has a £150k cap which can go up if they get CL. We should have a structure too which we mostly stick too.
 
You're missing the point, of course he should get a pay rise, circa £80k is reasonable, not the reported demand of £200k.

I don't think 200k is reasonable either, but I don't think that source is certified to be reliable. 80k would be more than reasonable but I personally would put him at 120k which is around Yoro, Ugarte, Mazraoui, and Zirkzee, 4 of our 5 signings so far under the Ineos leadership, and it would also reflect his role and ability better than 80k IMO.
 
I don't think 200k is reasonable either, but I don't think that source is certified to be reliable. 80k would be more than reasonable but I personally would put him at 120k which is around Yoro, Ugarte, Mazraoui, and Zirkzee, 4 of our 5 signings so far under the Ineos leadership, and it would also reflect his role and ability better than 80k IMO.
That sounds reasonable, but that would be my cap.
 
You're missing the point, of course he should get a pay rise, circa £80k is reasonable, not the reported demand of £200k.
It's almost as if the 200k figure is either unfounded or a negotiation tactic from his agent. Feel free to bookmark this, but if Mainoo ends up signing a new deal in the next few months, then I guarantee you it won't be for 200k a week.
 
I don't think 200k is reasonable either, but I don't think that source is certified to be reliable. 80k would be more than reasonable but I personally would put him at 120k which is around Yoro, Ugarte, Mazraoui, and Zirkzee, 4 of our 5 signings so far under the Ineos leadership, and it would also reflect his role and ability better than 80k IMO.
But those players are older. I don't think your progression is going to work, give him 120 at 20 and then wait 3 years to bump it up. If he really kills it, he isn't going to wait. And then here we are, most likely with enough fans ready to give him 220k or even more at 22 or 23 years. That is Rashford territory.
Give him 80 for a 1 or 2 years, that is 4(!!!) times his current salary and enough for a big step in terms of superstar lifestyle and then, when the stars align, United becomes competetive again and Mainoo is able to act on his potential, lets talk again.
Especially keeping in mind that what happens to one player is always effecting others as well.
 
But those players are older. I don't think your progression is going to work, give him 120 at 20 and then wait 3 years to bump it up. If he really kills it, he isn't going to wait. And then here we are, most likely with enough fans ready to give him 220k or even more at 22 or 23 years. That is Rashford territory.
Give him 80 for a 1 or 2 years, that is 4(!!!) times his current salary and enough for a big step in terms of superstar lifestyle and then, when the stars align, United becomes competetive again and Mainoo is able to act on his potential, lets talk again.
Especially keeping in mind that what happens to one player is always effecting others as well.

Mainoo is older than yoro and has played and scored in an FA cup final and played in the final of the euros.
 
It's almost as if the 200k figure is either unfounded or a negotiation tactic from his agent. Feel free to bookmark this, but if Mainoo ends up signing a new deal in the next few months, then I guarantee you it won't be for 200k a week.
That could be it, but if they are actually serious, and Chelsea came in with 100m, I would take it reluctantly.
 
Cole Palmer is on 130k a week. Isak is on 120k.

Anything above 120k for Mainoo, and you have a big problem when he will want a new contract in 3 years time.
 
What would be the point in selling him even if it was for £100m? We'd effectively be left with one functioning midfielder (Ugarte), therefore he would need to be replaced. Said replacement would cost plenty in transfer /agent fees and would probably want something like £120k pw in salary too. That's the epitome of false economy.
 
That could be it, but if they are actually serious, and Chelsea came in with 100m, I would take it reluctantly.

Would have to be more than Caicedo for me to even consider it.

In terms of his wages we need to start structuring it like other clubs and have his base wage at 80-100 with performance incentive add ons.
 
Not going to debate with anyone who doesn’t agree but Mainoo is one of the best CM’s in the world in his age group. If he’s worth £60-£80m now, imagine how much he’d be worth when he’s 23-26 nearing his prime. Now translate that to how good he already is and can become .

If United sell him. Then Ratcliffe basically lied about turning United in the best in Europe again and putting the “Manchester” back into Man Utd. Because that one sale will undermine both trying to become a top team , and winning like Man Utd historically have one under SAF & Sir Mat Busby.

You don’t sell your best players until they are just at the edge of the cliff of their prime or no longer suit your system. You don’t sell your great young generational talent until they have shown they can’t fulfil their full potential.

I hope it’s doesn’t happen. I understand wages need to be controlled. Ideally they sit down with Mainoo, explain that players like Casemiro, Mount, Antony , etc being on high wages are mistakes they no longer want to repeat. But they view him as a future world class who in 3-4 seasons could be amongst the top earners. Then offer him £100k a week, with wage negotiation in 2 years based on form and CL etc
 
Cole Palmer is on 130k a week. Isak is on 120k.

Anything above 120k for Mainoo, and you have a big problem when he will want a new contract in 3 years time.
Wasn't Palmer given a 7 or 8 year contract to help spread the cost of his overall earnings? Isak at 19 had achieved nothing compared to Mainoo at 19. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Would have to be more than Caicedo for me to even consider it.
Agreed. We shouldn't be lowballing ourselves for such a promising academy player with 3 years left on his current contract.
 
If Mainoo shows what he's shown the last 2 weeks for the rest of the season we should give him the Cole Palmer contract. I have every belief he can. It would be a success. He would always be a sellable asset. It's less than Eriksen is on now. It would be another resounding success for our academy. That said, a big sale would be as well. Don't want to see it happen.
 
Mainoo is older than yoro and has played and scored in an FA cup final and played in the final of the euros.
You have a point. Maybe I should have said, that I consider the wages of other young players in our squad to be problematic as well. But generally, I fully agree that he is due to get a raise that reflects his new standing. Same goes for Amad and Garnacho for sure (even though that doesn't mean they have to end up at the exact same number). And to a degree for Hojlund and Dalot as well. To see JZ earn more than Rasmus is already weird. The wages for Yoro are on a level, I'd consider as problematic, probably needed to entice him to join us and not another club. Honestly don't know too much about him, if there really was a continental race for his signature, I'd say fine but if not, thats not ideal and mostly because of what this discussion is about, that wages will be guiding themselves towards the upper limits. So it is even more important not to raise the floor.
 
We will lose a few of our young stars until we get this wage in order ..
Chelsea sold a lot of kids to get their wages in control
 
He’s the academy product I couldn’t bear to see leave. But I do think it’s time we stop paying silly wages so we’d need drive a hard bargain here. Anyway he’s got loads of time on his contract so I don’t see the issue.
 
If he isn't willing to accept a contract around his market value, which is well under Palmer's £130k a week, then we have to sell him, simple as.

A well-run club would be negotiating something in the region of £80-100k for him. He wont get offered more than that anywhere else in Europe.
 
If he isn't willing to accept a contract around his market value, which is well under Palmer's £130k a week, then we have to sell him, simple as.

A well-run club would be negotiating something in the region of £80-100k for him. He wont get offered more than that anywhere else in Europe.
Why compare his wages to Palmer when Palmer's salary was spread over an 8 year contract?
 
If he wants silly wages he has to start consistently putting in world class performances. Right now he's at best a 100K/w player. I'm completely fine to see him go for a sizable fee if he doesn't show drastic improvement.
 
Why compare his wages to Palmer when Palmer's salary was spread over an 8 year contract?

That's... Not how it works, at all.

Palmer was given a very long contract to bind hin to the club for a very long time, and to spread the accounting cost of his transfer fee over a longer period of time.

His wage is his wage. He's paid per week the same as every other footballer.