Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season

Offside said:
1 league title though with absolute shit show seasons slotted in between mostly failed title challenges. Not laughable to think somebody else could do that. Although I guess nobody else did for 25 years before Klopp.
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Doubt we see a team as good as Peps City in the Premier league in our lifetime to be fair.
 
This can only be a positive development for us.

We can say whatever we want about league titles, but he's a fantastic manager. He always turns out a highly competitive Liverpool side that have been a much more compelling footballing side than us over his time. Him leaving means they now have a question mark over the quality of their manager and how that will work, which creates an opportunity.

We have to consider the fact that even when Liverpool don't win titles, if they're a much better side than us then they're an obstacle in our way because they'd beat us to the punch any time City are off the boil.
 
I think he's excellent, didn't really see much chance of us ever getting back to where we want to be as long as he was there and Pep was at City with them cooking the books. This gives us more of a chance. It's a bit shit in a way that I felt we need rivals to falter rather than having hope for us to overcome them through our own greatness but that's how we've fallen. Something like this opens things up more.

While I do rate him very highly, this talk about them being dominant if it weren't for City's financial doping and Pep might be a little overblown. Outside of the 1 title he's finished 2nd twice with them. We've been 2nd twice too in the same period and we've been crap. It's not like he'd have won 5 or 6.
 
Chipper said:
I think he's excellent, didn't really see much chance of us ever getting back to where we want to be as long as he was there and Pep was at City with them cooking the books. This gives us more of a chance. It's a bit shit in a way that I felt we need rivals to falter rather than having hope for us to overcome them through our own greatness but that's how we've fallen. Something like this opens things up more.

While I do rate him very highly, this talk about them being dominant if it weren't for City's financial doping and Pep might be a little overblown. Outside of the 1 title he's finished 2nd twice with them. We've been 2nd twice too in the same period and we've been crap. It's not like he'd have won 5 or 6.
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Probably somewhere in between. Think he wins 3 or so, but they've basically been a better side than us since he arrived there. No doubting that.
 
Chipper said:
I think he's excellent, didn't really see much chance of us ever getting back to where we want to be as long as he was there and Pep was at City with them cooking the books. This gives us more of a chance. It's a bit shit in a way that I felt we need rivals to falter rather than having hope for us to overcome them through our own greatness but that's how we've fallen. Something like this opens things up more.

While I do rate him very highly, this talk about them being dominant if it weren't for City's financial doping and Pep might be a little overblown. Outside of the 1 title he's finished 2nd twice with them. We've been 2nd twice too in the same period and we've been crap. It's not like he'd have won 5 or 6.
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They had 90+ points in both of their seasons finishing 2nd while our 2nd place finishes were probably some of the weakest in PL history.
 
Offside said:
1 league title though with absolute shit show seasons slotted in between mostly failed title challenges. Not laughable to think somebody else could do that. Although I guess nobody else did for 25 years before Klopp.
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30. And that's exactly why it is a big deal. And he did it with Pep around.

Only Mourinho has done what Klopp did against Pep. Failing with 95+ points and then doing even better next season to win the title.
 
This will be Liverpool back in their box again. As big a cnut as he is, Klopp had them punching above their weight and they’ll return to the top 4 rat race in the next couple of years. Us (hopefully) being on the ascendency will make it all the funnier.
 
Didn’t fancy taking on United now we’ve got our shit in order I see. Smart man.
 
RVN1991 said:
They had 90+ points in both of their seasons finishing 2nd while our 2nd place finishes were probably some of the weakest in PL history.
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No, they just beat slightly more shit than we did. When we beat City at the Etihad when 2-0 down at halftime wr were on course for 90 points with 3/4 games left and we just gave up because we couldn’t win the league nor finish third.
If you’re talking weakness then their league win falls under that. City had possibly their worst league campaign under Pep that year.

Thats an extremely biased look on Liverpool.
So when they did well the league was fantastic when beating so much shit and racked up the points? yet when other teams finished second and found the league slightly harder to steamroll it’s somehow of lesser quality? How many times when they didn’t finish second to City did City get more than 97 points? Once before Liverpool were contenders?
If what you say is true then City should have been hitting 100 points every other season if the league was routinely weaker. City is the one common denominator that goes against your point
 
Chipper said:
I think he's excellent, didn't really see much chance of us ever getting back to where we want to be as long as he was there and Pep was at City with them cooking the books. This gives us more of a chance. It's a bit shit in a way that I felt we need rivals to falter rather than having hope for us to overcome them through our own greatness but that's how we've fallen. Something like this opens things up more.

While I do rate him very highly, this talk about them being dominant if it weren't for City's financial doping and Pep might be a little overblown. Outside of the 1 title he's finished 2nd twice with them. We've been 2nd twice too in the same period and we've been crap. It's not like he'd have won 5 or 6.
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97, 99, 92 points in 4 season is domination. Add 3 champions league finals in that period.

To put it into context
In Sir Alex Ferguson 26 year era, only ONCE we have had 92 points+.. 93-94 season. You can say we should have had more here or there but it still..

Let not United tinted glasses lie to you, Klopp as been as dominant as any other elite manager has been in PL. His only mistake is he was during the City doping Era under Pep.

Liverpool 2018-2022 era is almost identical to our period from 2007-2011 only big big difference is the league titles wins. To which if you remove doping City usually Liverpool will win the league with those 92+ points.

+ add UCL win, 2 losses in UCL final almost identical to our run.

And as Ferguson retired afterwards, in 2013, also Klopp seems to have burnt out afterwards in 2024.

Hopefully, they make the same mistakes we've made after Fergie retired.
 
LVG, Mourhino, Ole and ETH have all finished above Klopp in the PL.
 
Il Prete Rosso said:
Klopp was competing with the City and Guardiola. That's not easy for any manager.
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I’ve seen this loads but klopp only finished to city second twice didn’t he? United have finished second to city twice too while klopp had been there. And he’s never been knocked out of the champions league by city has he?
It’s stupid making out city ruined some kind of utter dominance
 
RVN1991 said:
They had 90+ points in both of their seasons finishing 2nd while our 2nd place finishes were probably some of the weakest in PL history.
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Don't get me wrong, they pushed City close in those 2 seasons they were runners up, more than we did for our 2nd place finishes or anyone has really. They were more impressive 2nd places. Just talking in terms of who would have won what if we took City out of the equation.

Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Probably somewhere in between. Think he wins 3 or so, but they've basically been a better side than us since he arrived there. No doubting that.
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Absolutely they've been better. Much better. Was just eliminating City from the argument and it would be 3 for them, 2 for us, 1 each for Chelsea, Leicester and Arsenal based on where teams actually finished. The best in what could have been quite an open era rather than smashing everyone out of sight.

Things don't always work that way though, it's perhaps simplistic as there's such factors as momentum.
 
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cyberman said:
No, they just beat slightly more shit than we did. When we beat City at the Etihad when 2-0 down at halftime wr were on course for 90 points with 3/4 games left and we just gave up because we couldn’t win the league nor finish third.
If you’re talking weakness then their league win falls under that. City had possibly their worst league campaign under Pep that year.

Thats an extremely biased look on Liverpool.
So when they did well the league was fantastic when beating so much shit and racked up the points? yet when other teams finished second and found the league slightly harder to steamroll it’s somehow of lesser quality? How many times when they didn’t finish second to City did City get more than 97 points? Once before Liverpool were contenders?
If what you say is true then City should have been hitting 100 points every other season if the league was routinely weaker. City is the one common denominator that goes against your point
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The bolded bit doesn't really make sense at all, a team "giving up" tells me they weren't champion material in the first place, Liverpool's 2nd place finishes literally came down to the last games of the season while we finished around 20 points behind City in both seasons we finished 2nd.
 
Josh 76 said:
LVG, Mourhino, Ole and ETH have all finished above Klopp in the PL.
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You know Klopp is world-class. He's a cnut but any team on the world besides maybe City would take him if they could.
 
Licha-Vidic said:
97, 99, 92 points in 4 season is domination. Add 3 champions league finals in that period.

To put it into context
In Sir Alex Ferguson 26 year era, only ONCE we have had 92 points+.. 93-94 season. You can say we should have had more here or there but it still..

Let not United tinted glasses lie to you, Klopp as been as dominant as any other elite manager has been in PL. His only mistake is he was during the City doping Era under Pep.

Liverpool 2018-2022 era is almost identical to our period from 2007-2011 only big big difference is the league titles wins. To which if you remove doping City usually Liverpool will win the league with those 92+ points.

+ add UCL win, 2 losses in UCL final almost identical to our run.

And as Ferguson retired afterwards, in 2013, also Klopp seems to have burnt out afterwards in 2024.

Hopefully, they make the same mistakes we've made after Fergie retired.
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So he would have won more but there was a better team in front of him, he had a nearly identical period as united had if you take away the numerous titles united won.

Dominance is winning not nearly winning. He's a top manager but let's behave a bit and not talk about him in the same light as Sir Alex or Liverpool greats of shankly and paisley.

Also point totals don't mean anything, the teams sir Alex was up against are different teams to what klopp is up against. Different era, different time and different players.
 
LochGormanAbú said:
As a Liverpool fan, I agree with this, shame we didn't replace him with Ranieri back then, probably have won a few more titles
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Well that's a bit of a stretch to suggest Ranieri was a better manager than Klopp. I highly doubt Ranieri would've been able to successfully guide you to the 'runner up with 97 points' trophy.
 
RVN1991 said:
Doubt we see a team as good as Peps City in the Premier league in our lifetime to be fair.
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Doubt we will see any manager ever have the same sort of resources available to Pep either. City should be winning, Pep should be winning. Not other manager gets 100 million subs and World Cup winning strikers as subs
 
SAFMUTD said:
You know Klopp is world-class. He's a cnut but any team on the world besides maybe City would take him if they could.
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Klopp is the best manager in the world. Pep is the one with the most resources,

City will still win leagues when Pep has gone, regardless of manager, like they did before he joined. Liverpool could be in big trouble and need to get their replacement right.
 
Just seen a clip of the excessive fist pumping and directing the Sky cameras to his players and indulging in the maudlin sentimentality which goes down well in that neck of the woods. Did well for them, but allways seemed to be trying just TOO hard.
 
The amount of salt from United fans is unreal. Klopp was absolutely brilliant for Liverpool, downplaying his achievements by saying things like "he only won 1 EPL" is pathetic. Liverpool were a midtable team before he took over, he made them what they are right now and they'll go back to mediocrity real soon. I don't like many personas, but i'll always give credit where it's due. I can understand why Liverpool fans love him and are gutted. Heynckes won a single CL for us and for me he is one of the best coaches we've had(not only for the win, but for the gameplay and the way he set the team up) and i've said it multiple times that i hope he never returns after Bayern replaced him with Pep midseason. Him winning the treble that season was just magical.
 
Better than Pep. A proper proper football man. Unfortunate to be competing with the cheats.
You Will Never Walk Alone Klopp.
Hope he finishes with the quad.
 
RVN1991 said:
The bolded bit doesn't really make sense at all, a team "giving up" tells me they weren't champion material in the first place, Liverpool's 2nd place finishes literally came down to the last games of the season while we finished around 20 points behind City in both seasons we finished 2nd.
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Teams being on the beach when there’s nothing to play for in the league and saving themselves for the FA cup final in 2 odd weeks definitely is a thing.
Not letting City win the league at home against us was our last real mission in the league.
 
To you scousers out there, do you see now why SAF is the greatest? 3 major rebuilds spans 3 decades. The stamina required cam never be matched by any one man. Sit the feck down.
 
Greyfog said:
Better than Pep. A proper proper football man. Unfortunate to be competing with the cheats.
You Will Never Walk Alone Klopp.
Hope he finishes with the quad.
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He finished being city twice. So did we
 
Great manager! He would have been solid for us. Imagine what he could have done with the wasted billions from us! This is great news and hopefully Pep follows too.

It’s crazy that two of the best PL managers of all time ended up at our closest rivals at a time when we could have used them. I guess the only silver lining is at least their timelines coincided. Imagine 10 years of Klopp followed by 10 years of Pep. They would have cleared most trophies.
 
2 man midfield said:
Didn’t fancy taking on United now we’ve got our shit in order I see. Smart man.
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You jest, but that's got to be part of it. Us, Chelsea and Newcastle are going to bring in a lot of competition for CL places. And it's unlikely that his best efforts this season will get them anything more than a Carabao cup and maybe a EL. He must be sick of that and sick of waiting for Pep to feck off. Now he has a rising Utd to contend with.

Ironically, I think Pep only hung around for so long because Klopp is here posing a challenge he can't resist. Otherwise he'd have already quit after a 5-peat and multiple trebles.
 
90 + 5min said:
I have hard time reading things like that. Sure, very good or great manager, but he only won one Premier League. That is same as Ranieri, Pellegrini, Conte, Dalglish, Ancelotti and Mancini. Mourinho and Wenger have 3 each, Guardiola have 5 and Ferguson got 13.
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If we're just talking about Premier League legacy, he's 5th all-time and I don't think there's a good argument to put him either higher or lower than that. Not done enough to be considered better than SAF, Pep, Mourinho or Wenger, but he's spent 9 years in the Prem, Liverpool played mostly great, entertaining football, he's had three 90+ points finishes, signed and promoted all-timer PL players in their respective positions (Salah, VVD, Alisson, Trent, you can probably include Mané and Robertson as well).

I'm too young to have seen Dalglish's managerial peak, but none of the other 1-time PL winning managers, or the teams they won it with came close to the level Klopp and his Liverpool side reached. At the peak of their powers they were genuinely one of the greatest club sides ever. If City weren't around (backed by a nation-state, led by a GOAT level manager, and the cheating on top of it), Klopp's trophy cabinet would look very different.
 
Woodzy said:
Yet neither come close to winning a league (or CL) while at the club. Don't underplay Klopp's achievements.
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I'm not underplaying Klopps achievements. I'm just stating a fact. During Utd's poor spell in the last 30 years, we have still managed to finish above the "best team ever" for half of the time Klopp has been there. He was a great manager for Liverpool, but should have won more titles and European Cups. They should have beaten Real Madrid in the final on both occasions.
 
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