They'll convince themselves otherwise, but Liverpool will just quietly slip into been the same club they were before he joined them.
Klopp to leave Liverpool at the end of the season
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i want this angle to be true so much
How come the sporting director is leaving next week?
Aren't they supposed to control the changes of manager?
Aren't they supposed to control the changes of manager?
I don't think even Liverpool think they're favourites for the title, they've massively ridden their luck this year, moreso than most other years.
He was only temporary apparently, he's also meant to be a bit shit.
Ta.
Behind the scenes recordings will be juicy as feck with the chaos and disarray that’s coming
I think it's impossible to say who's better but look at the squads both inherited and difference in resources. Pep and Klopp have both been fantastic but got their teams where they are in different circumstances.
Liverpool will get Ten Hag in the summer.
Having luck is essential in terms of winning a title and you could argue that in a close title race United had their fair share.
Liverpool will also point to the Tottenham game and understandably say they were hard done by.
I don't think you can talk about Liverpool being lucky and then ignore the blatant favouritism shown towards Manchester City. Haaland can bawl his face off to an official with impunity; Kovacic, by the grace of God, didn't get sent off against Arsenal for his challenge on Odegaard. Liverpool have had the rub of the green at times, as have other teams, but it hasn't been anything out of the ordinary or anything like the favouritism shown to Pep.
Why wouldn't they be favourites? City have flattered to deceive this year and Arsenal and Tottenham don't have any experience of winning the league in recent memory, although Arsenal, to be fair, have shown they are capable of showing something like title-winning consistency. It's a toss up between Pep and Klopp and not much between them in my opinion.
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When Fergie left, they nearly won the league the next season. Maybe it's our turn now.
Right but it didn't often feel like we were ever competing with them. League finishes aren't relevant to what I'm saying.
There's no doubting he's a very good manager, but it's kind of crazy that he won the league only once in eight seasons (could end up being twice in nine, granted), and has an average finish closer to 4th across his tenure (3.65 to be exact). And that's in an era where every big club besides City floundered most of the time. Four of our managers have finished above him, and we've been absolutely dreadful the entire time. He did also win the CL, but it was the easiest CL final opponent anyone has faced in decades, Tottenham of all clubs, where Pool even got a freak penalty in the first minute of the game.
He obviously deserves credit for bringing Liverpool out of their decades-long slump, but he hasn't really created miracles. While he might have won an additional league title or two if it wasn't for City's dominance, the same can be said of Wenger vs United, and it doesn't mean much in the end. Liverpool have had two disaster seasons on his watch, and that's without counting his first season where he's excused for their 8th place finish considering the state of the club when he arrived. He's ending his tenure there in a season where they didn't even play in the CL.
In spite of all that, the Liverpool-adoring media will find a way to call him one of the greatest managers that English football has ever seen.
I will say that I think he might have been the luckiest. Never seen so many incidentals favour a team over a years-long span of time.
He obviously deserves credit for bringing Liverpool out of their decades-long slump, but he hasn't really created miracles. While he might have won an additional league title or two if it wasn't for City's dominance, the same can be said of Wenger vs United, and it doesn't mean much in the end. Liverpool have had two disaster seasons on his watch, and that's without counting his first season where he's excused for their 8th place finish considering the state of the club when he arrived. He's ending his tenure there in a season where they didn't even play in the CL.
In spite of all that, the Liverpool-adoring media will find a way to call him one of the greatest managers that English football has ever seen.
I will say that I think he might have been the luckiest. Never seen so many incidentals favour a team over a years-long span of time.
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It’s easy to think that way when his down seasons seem to be accepted and glossed over and his good seasons happens when the league is at the bested best standard there ever was
I'm all for begrudging them credit whenever possible, but a run including knocking out Bayern and that 4-0 against Barca is hardly the easiest CL run in living memory.
That would be their '22 CL run.
Yeah, I misremembered actually. '22 was when they got the easiest CL run anyone has ever seen.
Still, a final against Tottenham and a freak penalty in the first minute. Kind of thing you sell your soul to the Devil for.
Kane injured and Poch still playing him
Why would he not be? Already has the highest assists for a defender in the PL (joint with Robertson) and defines the modern fullback in the PL era. Same as what Klopp did with Salah who defines the modern wide forward in the PL era. Klopp, and these players have had a massive impact on the PL, along with Pep of course.
Because he's only had a couple of decent seasons and has enormous deficiencies in certain parts of his game. Namely defensively. Salah has been doing it (and at a higher level) for years. TAA doesn't have close to the same body of work. He's not even nailed for England.
And since he is a defender, being absolutely awful at that job should count for a lot more than being an asset going forward. If there was a striker who was useless in front of goal but does a solid job defending, nobody in their right mind would say this makes him a great striker. It's uniquely a Liverpool perk that a player can be called one of the best despite being horrible at his actual position, just because he's good at something else entirely.
Exactly. I'd feel comfortable calling Denis Irwin or Ashley Cole up there with all time PL left backs for instance, but just because TAA can deliver a fabulous set piece and has excellent passing range he's a PL all time great in his position?
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His role in this side has never to be the best defender or very good at it, he's always been used in respect of his world class qualities which are going forward in respect of his exceptional technique and athleticism.
TAA hasn't just had a couple of decent seasons, that's massively downplaying how good he has been in some of them.
The striker analogy doesn't really work since we know that the FB/WB role has evolved massively in the past 5-10 years and he's one of those at the top of the list in terms of RBs in respect of that. He's very deserving to be in the conversation of best PL RB with Walker/Neville/Azpi/Ivanovic.
His role in this side has never to be the best defender or very good at it, he's always been used in respect of his world class qualities which are going forward in respect of his exceptional technique and athleticism.
TAA hasn't just had a couple of decent seasons, that's massively downplaying how good he has been in some of them.
The striker analogy doesn't really work since we know that the FB/WB role has evolved massively in the past 5-10 years and he's one of those at the top of the list in terms of RBs in respect of that. He's very deserving to be in the conversation of best PL RB with Walker/Neville/Azpi/Ivanovic.
Have the media recovered from this yet??
They seem despondent, like a Messiah has died
They seem despondent, like a Messiah has died
He did say he would walk away if they ever bid £100m for a player then went on to bid £115m for Caicedo.
He has, of course, been plagued by the ill fortune of managing first Dortmund and then Liverpool, two clubs where he discovered to his dismay that most of the squad suffered from asthma. To his credit, he took great initiative and responsibility in ensuring that these poor, breathless souls were duly diagnosed and medicated.
But he's not REALLY a right back, is he? He wouldn't function as a right back if you lifted him and dropped him into most other PL teams because of his defensive weaknesses. Liverpool cover for his deficiencies because what he offers going forward is, in their eyes, worth it but I definitely don't think he can be called an all time PL right back as a result. He's too weak in too many areas that right backs, even now, need to be strong.
You gotta love this
I haven't seen so many gutted Scousers since the invention of the locking wheel nut.
It doesn't really matter how he would do if you dropped him in other teams. Neville might have been shite if he was dropped in another side but he wasn't and he ended up winning 8 titles. Salah might not have been good if he wasn't in this Liverpool side and style etc. It doesn't matter if you perform at a high level. There are reasons why TAA has been good and it does partly come down to the side he plays in but a lot of it also comes due to his own exceptional qualities.
Now we just need Bald Fraudiola to resign and it will be a full-blown meltdown.But he's not an exceptional right back, is my point. I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.
Then they might actually start to acknowledge the fact that it's a club currently facing a hundred and fifteen charges of cheating.
Slim chance, but you never know.
Thank feck. Hopefully Alonso goes to Real Madrid or just stays at Leverkusen. Slippy G in!
You forget the league title that United lost on the last day on goal difference I assume.
What exceptional qualities? He can pass and deliver the ball really well?