8 out of 17 for Madrid .... 13 out of 20 for Holland isnt that bad if you ask me.
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar
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Interesting. I wonder. On REAL TV his statements seemed very different. Footballers and the press. Smokes and mirrors all the time eh....
TBF to him though he had a point. Ramos under utilized him. Despite his goal return. I doubt he'd have that problem under Fergie, as Fergie loves to give his regular goals scorers playing time. & that fella at OT would get loads. I doubt we will look at him though.
Also it is a dead cert Perez will discard him for not being Galactico enough. The way he passed over signing Gabriel Milito.
But rubbish at football. Unlike Huntelaar. So what's your point?
Huntelaar is rubbish at football too.
Huntelaar's movement is fantastic too.
Then he shouldn't be dropping deep. After all he is supposed to be a penalty box presence.
Nah, his movement's not at the same level.
Huntelaar gets into great positions, but he doesn't stretch defences in the same way, nor does he bring others into play half as well.
Definitely.
I just don't get it . The guy scores bicycle kicks headers left foot right foot inside the box outside the box , what more do you want ?? He is a striker for gods sake!!!
"Build up play" " Creating space for others" He's a fukin striker ffs, what a bunch of muppets
Yeah, all they need to do is score goals.
That's why we, one of the best teams in Europe, have Tevez, Rooney and Berbatov, none of whom are prolific goal scorers.
That's one of the reasons you see midfielders score loads of goals each season.
He doesn't really need to stretch defences with the way he moves. Huntelaar's movement in the 18 yard box is unmatched. That is why he is so deadly. Van Gaal said the fella' is the best in the box bar none. I totally agree with him. When you move like he does in the box, you don't need to create for others. It simply means like Inzaghi you are always available for a good pass. No matter who is marking you, thus, in a team like United that creates loads, even on a bad day, its a deadly weapon indeed.
Besides at age, he can impove on his other attributes. I know Cole did when he came here. He came as a box striker and left as an all rounder. If we are fair to him he hasn't been around players of the quality we have at United for him to improve the footballing part of his game. which in truth is not as poor as some are making out.
What you have said, all applies to Kris Boyd.
Huntelaar isnt a good enough footballer.
We score because of Ronaldo, not because of some clever movement from Berbatov
Take Ronaldo out, and we'd be fighting to finish in the top 4.Huntelaar scores goals, and that's the point of the game. He's like Ruud. We need to buy a real striker or pray that Ronaldo is not injured.
We score because of Ronaldo, not because of some clever movement from Berbatov
Huntelaar scores goals, and that's the point of the game. He's like Ruud. We need to buy a real striker or pray that Ronaldo is not injured.
People had similar worries when we let Ruud leave, because we didn't have a prolific goalscorer in the team.
The season after he left we won the league playing brilliant football, spreading the goals around perfectly, and we weren't reliant on one player to score the goals at all.
Huntelaar is one dimensional, Ruud had a lot more to his game than Huntelaar.
It doesn't. For Boyd is not even half as good as Huntelaar at anything.
We score because of Ronaldo, not because of some clever movement from Berbatov
Huntelaar scores goals, and that's the point of the game. He's like Ruud. We need to buy a real striker or pray that Ronaldo is not injured.
Yeah Ronaldo travels through time and space and appears in the middle of the box where someone's due to mark but isn't there because.....he is looking at OT birds' tits.
Strikers movement is irrelevant and they and they alone score goals and nothing else, I don't see why Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov have so many assistances, they are bad STs cause they don't help midfielders to score and open spaces and they don't score but give assists.
Even if he is one dimensional as you suggest. (A thing I strongly disagree with). We have enough multi dimensional attacking players in our side for it to not matter. When Ruud was here we lacked those, that is why we were a poorer footballing side with him a round. but by the time Saha took over from him, Ronaldo was Ronaldo, Carrick was here and Scholes was back on song.
From what I've seen of him I'd have to disagree. His movement looks nothing out of the ordinary to me. Just his fantastic finishing.
I largely agree, I just don't think Huntelaar's at the level Ruud was in terms of overall play. He's nowhere near as good in terms of hold-up play and his link-up play's not as good.
I just don't like the idea of having a one dimensional attacking player in the team, no matter how good he is at scoring.
That is all true. IMO At United I guarantee he'd get better at those things. Because I witnessed Cole do the same under Fergie. & this boy is intelligent enough to adopt and prides himself on playing with technique so I'm sure he'd want to improve. IMO he is a less skillful version of Morientes.
Fair enough. I also prefer that too. But getting natural finishers as deadly as this fella with those attributes are rare. It's easier to get a type like him and then teach him to do more. That is why Ruud was a once in a generation type of find.
You are free too. I cant' really fault your statement. For I can see why you'd get the impression you have of him. I've watched him for a long while now and IMO Van gaal was spot on in his assessment. He looks like he is doing nothing special because what he does is so simple. Yet so precise that it's lethal. & Forlan style he can finish from any where. He simply thrives on taking chances, half ones or full ones, even with minimal supply.
Robben was substituted by Huntelaar in 78th minute.
Ten minutes later he receives red card after foul on Osasuna player and he said something dirty to the referee.
It was their fifth defeat in a row. Wonderful season ending
Ten minutes later he receives red card after foul on Osasuna player and he said something dirty to the referee.
It was their fifth defeat in a row. Wonderful season ending
I agree that he takes his chances very well. But I think that his movement and positioning arent that brilliant. Which is why, despite clearly being able to score shitloads of goals through his ability to take chances, he hasnt always scored an insane amount of goals in recent seasons.
Because his ability to finish chances is twice as good as his ability to get on the end of things. So you wont see him miss good chances often, but there will also be games where he's "invisible" because he hasnt gone on the end of things. Its that part of his game that he can keep improving and it will make use of his finishing skill even further.
Morientes is a good comparison. Though in terms of his finishing, I'd say he has more skill than Moro.
As for Ruud, if Huntelaar was a bit more like this
then I'd certainly take him for £15 million. Unfortunately he's more like the Van Nistelrooy that we sold than the Van Nistelrooy we bought and who wow'd us in his first few seasons at the club. Mario Gomez is imo a bit more like that player we bought from PSV those years ago, which is why I shook my fist at Bayern
would have been one of my first choices as a Tevez replacement.Robben was substituted by Huntelaar in 78th minute.
Ten minutes later he receives red card after foul on Osasuna player and he said something dirty to the referee.
It was their fifth defeat in a row. Wonderful season ending
Teaching him to be a more aggressive player in Madrd...
Probably shouldnt have got Pepe to be his tutor though.
This is true. IMO aged 25 he can always get better at these things. Under a SAF it would be guanranteed.
True. But IMO we might need a squad player for now more than a starter.
& IMO he fits the bill of a useful weapon off a bench.
Spot on.
which is why I shook my fist at Bayern
Mine too. Every time I see him he reminds me of Ruud of 2002.
Seconded
Id rather see us buy someone like Benzema or Ibra but these players would cost us a fortune. If its true then the Hunter is available at 15m then he is quite the steal of the season.
Slight bump since I was following this thread in the newbies and made one for discussing him there.
I think Huntelaar is underrated, and would prove a big success at the club if he signed. A lot of folks are complaining about his overall game and lack of creativity, but we already have a team full of creative players, what we have lack is the end product.
Another criticism of Huntelaar is that he would slow down our game, and that he would prevent us from playing our natural, great, counterattack style. First off, i'll point out that Berbatov is hardly renown for his pace and high-tempo play. More importantly though, is the fact that whilst playing on the counterattack is great, we can only do that when the other team is willing to actually open up and attack us a bit. At the moment our gameplan tends to revolve around getting an early goal (to force them to attack) and then playing on the break, but especially at Old Trafford (but recently, even away from home), teams simply wont come out and attack us, even when a goal down sometimes. In these situations which happen pretty frequently, our counterattacking style is wasted completely, and we have often lacked a backup plan. With Huntelaar in the team, we could arguably play better built up attacks, in the style of Barcelona really; and pace isnt such an important attribute in that sense.
Finally, I have heard a lot of "If he aint good enough for Madrid, he aint good enough for us". This is a pretty rubbish argument if you ask me. For one thing, this is the same Madrid who offloaded Eto'o as a youngster because he "wasnt good enough". However, there are still other reasons why Madrid would be willing to sell him to us;
1) Perez wants to bring in a new "galacticos" era, and doesnt think Huntelaar is quite galactico enough for him.
2) Our relations with Madrid are at what is probably an all-time low. With Madrid still hot on Ronaldo's trail, they may see selling Huntelaar to us as a way of repairing damaged relations, in the hope that in return we will be a bit more open to their Ronaldo enquiries.
3) Huntelaar was bought, amongst other things, to fill in for injuries. With RVN and the others back to fitness now, Huntelaar may simply be seen as surplus by them when combined with the other reasons I mentioned.
I dont think Huntelaar can by any means be regarded as a failure in La Liga either way, though I think he could be twice the player for us as he is for Madrid.
I think Huntelaar is underrated, and would prove a big success at the club if he signed. A lot of folks are complaining about his overall game and lack of creativity, but we already have a team full of creative players, what we have lack is the end product.
Another criticism of Huntelaar is that he would slow down our game, and that he would prevent us from playing our natural, great, counterattack style. First off, i'll point out that Berbatov is hardly renown for his pace and high-tempo play. More importantly though, is the fact that whilst playing on the counterattack is great, we can only do that when the other team is willing to actually open up and attack us a bit. At the moment our gameplan tends to revolve around getting an early goal (to force them to attack) and then playing on the break, but especially at Old Trafford (but recently, even away from home), teams simply wont come out and attack us, even when a goal down sometimes. In these situations which happen pretty frequently, our counterattacking style is wasted completely, and we have often lacked a backup plan. With Huntelaar in the team, we could arguably play better built up attacks, in the style of Barcelona really; and pace isnt such an important attribute in that sense.
Finally, I have heard a lot of "If he aint good enough for Madrid, he aint good enough for us". This is a pretty rubbish argument if you ask me. For one thing, this is the same Madrid who offloaded Eto'o as a youngster because he "wasnt good enough". However, there are still other reasons why Madrid would be willing to sell him to us;
1) Perez wants to bring in a new "galacticos" era, and doesnt think Huntelaar is quite galactico enough for him.
2) Our relations with Madrid are at what is probably an all-time low. With Madrid still hot on Ronaldo's trail, they may see selling Huntelaar to us as a way of repairing damaged relations, in the hope that in return we will be a bit more open to their Ronaldo enquiries.
3) Huntelaar was bought, amongst other things, to fill in for injuries. With RVN and the others back to fitness now, Huntelaar may simply be seen as surplus by them when combined with the other reasons I mentioned.
I dont think Huntelaar can by any means be regarded as a failure in La Liga either way, though I think he could be twice the player for us as he is for Madrid.
Its nothing to do with his creativity. Its just that if you take away Huntelaar's fantastic finishing, you have an extremely average footballer. It's not that he "isnt creative" and wont be getting 7-10 assists a season. It's just that if he doesnt score, he's been invisible. Like Inzaghi.
If you build your side around creating him chances he'll score goals at an impressive rate. Our team is built around other players though, much better players.
And the fact Berbatov hasnt got any pace shouldnt really be something you're looking to put forward as a positive in your argument. Because those two players will have to play together. Two wrongs dont make a right, neither do two tortoises make a hare.
If you build your side around creating him chances he'll score goals at an impressive rate. Our team is built around other players though, much better players.
And the fact Berbatov hasnt got any pace shouldnt really be something you're looking to put forward as a positive in your argument. Because those two players will have to play together. Two wrongs dont make a right, neither do two tortoises make a hare.
Finishing is certainly Huntelaars strongest trait by a long way, but he isnt as one-dimensional as you say; he offers decent holdup play, a much-needed aerial presence for us, and great off the ball movement and anticipation.
That last part is key for me, with the creativity and vision of Rooney, Berbatov and Ronaldo, combined with Huntelaar's off-the-ball movement, we would have a pretty potent combo.
Also, I dont think you can dismiss "finishing" as not being a big deal. If you take away Huntelaars finishing, he becomes an average player with good movement. But if you take away Berbatovs footballing brain, are you not left with an average player with a good first touch?
Im not using the Berbatov comparisons to be negative towards him, just for convenience. In my previous post I mentioned pace, and I wasnt meaning to imply that two wrongs make a right, but simply that pace obviously isnt a standard requirement for a player to play in our team. If Berbatov can get by without having pace, im sure Huntelaar can as well. If anything, his movement around the box can make up for a lack of pace, as he is often "two paces ahead of the defender" or similar.
I dont think Huntelaar is a rounded or complete striker, I think he is a proven and lethal goalscorer with a couple of other traits - but what he offers is exactly what we lack at the moment. We have other players creating chances, but a lot of them get wasted because we have no natural finisher in the team (Ronaldo is a good shout, but he is still ultimately a winger). Similarly, we have no forwards who are willing to play high up the pitch, we have no aerial threats (again bar Ronaldo, but its Ronaldo who is normally putting the crosses in - he cant get on the end of them as well), and whilst Berbatov offers good holdup play, the fact that he plays so deep makes it somewhat ineffectual anwyay, in my opinion.
If we want to add aerial presence to our frontline, we'll force Berbatov to get into the box more often. We had all that last season about needing a tall front man. We got what you all asked for. We maybe havent used it properly, so maybe we need to address that before we sign new players.
Huntelaar is very one dimensional. He will score you a lot of goals, but there are other players one there who will score you lots of goals and will be better in near every other aspect of play.
And this is what people dont get : If your team isnt creating enough chances, you dont just go out and buy a player who has 17-20 for creativity and passing on football manager and say "sorted". You look at what the player who is already playing in his position adds to the team and then you find a player who offers most of the same things, plus the creativity and passing you were after.
In the same way, if your front line isnt clinical enough you dont just go and buy a maxxed out finisher. You look at what we have - which are creative, clever forwards with good link up play and decent finishing - and then you find a player who will offer most of that and also the more clinical, deadly finishing.
If you just look at a certain quality, splurge on the player and throw him into the team you're going to have some unpleasant surprises when the player doesnt fit into the side or you suddenly lack things the old player used to bring to the side because you were too busy wanking over new potential signings to realise that the player you already had, brought some important things to the side.
We'll end up with a lot more variety in our side if we do it the second way making us a lot less predictable and stronger as a unit.
Huntelaar is very one dimensional. He will score you a lot of goals, but there are other players one there who will score you lots of goals and will be better in near every other aspect of play.
And this is what people dont get : If your team isnt creating enough chances, you dont just go out and buy a player who has 17-20 for creativity and passing on football manager and say "sorted". You look at what the player who is already playing in his position adds to the team and then you find a player who offers most of the same things, plus the creativity and passing you were after.
In the same way, if your front line isnt clinical enough you dont just go and buy a maxxed out finisher. You look at what we have - which are creative, clever forwards with good link up play and decent finishing - and then you find a player who will offer most of that and also the more clinical, deadly finishing.
If you just look at a certain quality, splurge on the player and throw him into the team you're going to have some unpleasant surprises when the player doesnt fit into the side or you suddenly lack things the old player used to bring to the side because you were too busy wanking over new potential signings to realise that the player you already had, brought some important things to the side.
We'll end up with a lot more variety in our side if we do it the second way making us a lot less predictable and stronger as a unit.
Easier said than done.
True. But we can make a better fist of it than Huntelaar, in my opinion.
Someone more in the mold of Eto'o and David Villa, a mobile finisher who also links up well with team mates and then we're golden. Benzema too.
I think, not only will these players play better in a partnership with Berbatov, but you could also play Eto'o, Villa or Benzema at the same time as Ronaldo, Rooney and Berbatov - which I'm really not sure you could with Huntelaar as he and Berbatov's workrate up top will be far from impressive and neither Berbatov or Huntelaar is adaptable enough to play a different role in that front 4.
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar - £15m
According to KJH agent, Huntelaar is coming to OT.
According to KJH agent, Huntelaar is coming to OT.
From who?
Marca?
might as well as get rvn for 1/10 the price and twice the ability.
Are we getting becks back too then? Because Huntelaar, like ruud, would need loads of service. Something we are sorely lacking.
Either that or we need some real creativity - step up nani and tosic?
Either that or we need some real creativity - step up nani and tosic?
He's ok, doesn't get a lot of playing time at Madrid and seems to moan a lot about that, wonder how he'd like our rotation policy? Also fits in well with the ugly player thing we seem to like.
link dammit
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