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Klaas-Jan Huntelaar
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cock out again!
Yes really. He'd have at least as much pressure at United - considerably more actually imo - and he'd be playing in a better league with better players, training facilities etc...
The only thing I can imagine he possibly finds attractive about Stuttgart is tat he'd be guaranteed playing time running up to the World Cup. Maybe he's happy to play in the Bundesliga for that reason for one year - he'll feel comfortable with the standard there and will expect to shine as he did in the Eredivisie... I guess he's using them though and will hope to put himself in the shop window in South Africa in the hope of another big move.
That's assuming he does move to Stuttgart.
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we should put a combined bid of about 20-25m for him and robben
that should set us up for next season
that should set us up for next season
Which he had at Madrid and failed to convince. So much so that they are now attempting to sell him to Stuttguart.
If Huntelaar comes in and replaces Mario Gomez very well, a striker Bayern paid some 30 million for, then thats when his reputation will speak for itself.
This is where he's at right now. He needs a move along these lines so that he can solidify his reputation for the upcoming world cup. Else he wont start and possibly wont play. Staying at Madrid or signing for a club where he isnt first choice would leave his immediate international future in the air at a time when he cant afford to. Maybe immediately after the world cup, especially if he has a good one, would be the time to try his luck again at a top club.
As he's rejected their contract offer I'd imagine he doesnt find anything attractive about the offer. Its not him pushing the deal through its Madrid, who want rid of him. Maybe he's been playing too much football manager and thinks he's worthy of staying and starting at Madrid, but obviously the management think otherwise and if he doesnt now move on - And Stuttguart are apparently the only club willing to part with the 20 million euros needed to sign him - then he wont get many games.
You want us to pay 25 million for a winger Real Madrid didnt want to pick last season and a striker they only bought in the last transfer window and already want rid of?
Genius.
Failed to convince my arse. REAL are the same idiots who are trying to sell off Ruud who was by far their best striker before he got injured. Plus Moamdou Diarra, who prio to hsi iinjury was fa rmreo sueufll to them than Lass currently is. RELA's selling him has little to do with his abilty or lack of convincing. He just isn't flashy and galactico enough for them. Same shit happened to Owen who was doing well for them.
Be reasonable, Ekeke. Huntelaar doesnt fit into the galacticos policy at Real - he isnt a big enough shirt seller for them and so Perez wants rid. They wouldnt have bought him in the last transfer window if they had planned for this summers "developments".
You can call him a disappointment, but he still managed a goal every 1.4 games (or something) for Real, which is a pretty damn good ratio, especially in the circumstances where he didnt get long runs of games.
Huntelaar was disappointed at being left out of the CL squad (although its true that there was a good reason on Reals part, and it wasnt just a matter of "he wasnt good enough"), and is probably equally disappointed that less than a year after joining, they have been splashing the cash on Benzema and Ronaldo (if we consider him something of a forward), pushing him down the pecking order.
One good pointer is the fact that Real do want to sell, which makes it very much a buyers market. If we were in for Huntelaar (which might or might not be the case, we dont know) then we wouldnt be making it publically obvious and driving the price up, we would be waiting and biding our time until the last minute, then making a low offer like £10m "take it or leave it". Real wouldnt have much choice other than to accept - Perez isnt stupid enough to hold onto a player that he isnt going to play, and keep paying wages for a year or more. Perez is a businessman and he will look to cut his losses on Huntelaar and the likes, Real arent in the same boat as Chelski and City, they will still look to be run profitably, they dont have a sugar daddy bankrolling the wage bill.
You can call him a disappointment, but he still managed a goal every 1.4 games (or something) for Real, which is a pretty damn good ratio, especially in the circumstances where he didnt get long runs of games.
Huntelaar was disappointed at being left out of the CL squad (although its true that there was a good reason on Reals part, and it wasnt just a matter of "he wasnt good enough"), and is probably equally disappointed that less than a year after joining, they have been splashing the cash on Benzema and Ronaldo (if we consider him something of a forward), pushing him down the pecking order.
One good pointer is the fact that Real do want to sell, which makes it very much a buyers market. If we were in for Huntelaar (which might or might not be the case, we dont know) then we wouldnt be making it publically obvious and driving the price up, we would be waiting and biding our time until the last minute, then making a low offer like £10m "take it or leave it". Real wouldnt have much choice other than to accept - Perez isnt stupid enough to hold onto a player that he isnt going to play, and keep paying wages for a year or more. Perez is a businessman and he will look to cut his losses on Huntelaar and the likes, Real arent in the same boat as Chelski and City, they will still look to be run profitably, they dont have a sugar daddy bankrolling the wage bill.
So you watched all the Real Madrid matches then and he convinced you?
He didnt convince the fans. He didnt convince the management obviously as they want rid of him.
He scored goals, but he didnt have enough to his game for them to warm to him. They warmed to Ruud though - I think that says everything about the difference between the two players. For all the comparisons Huntelaar has drawn with Van Nistelrooy over the years, he's nowhere near as good a footballer. He's a similar quality finisher - but thats it.
I dont remember calling him a dissappointment. I did say that he has failed to convince though. Thats definately the case here as they want to sell him. He was a direct replacement for Ruud while Ruud was injured and he scored a few goals, but he hasnt done enough for Madrid to want to keep a hold of him. You say he just doesnt fit the Galactico mold, but does Higuain ? He seems like he's staying. He seems like he has a future at the club and he is a less experienced player who cost them less - even less of a Galactico than Huntelaar.
I thought threads like this would have died a death after we signed Owen!
The same Madrid fans that everyone has been talking about how fickle they are, over the last few weeks with the Ronaldo saga.
The same Madrid management that wanted rid of Ruud, Owen and Diarra (as Chief said), not to mention Eto'o a while back.
Hardly two parties known for their sound judgement of players are they? The Madrid fans want big names like Ronaldo - they lap it up. The management realise this and try to provide those big names. I would like to think that the United fans are a bit more sensible than that myself, but here you are trying proving me wrong
You dont rate Huntelaar, that much is obvious, but lets be realistic, he is more than just a finisher (something the caf cant really grasp). He is good in the air, has decent holdup play and fantastic off-the-ball movement/anticipation - which would combine well with the vision of Rooney and the likes.
Higuain is a youngster, he is one for the future. Perez will make more money off of him if he waits for the player to develop a bit more, and making money is the only thing Perez gives a shit about.
Nah he's a very average footballer with brilliant finishing. That alone gets him his goals. His movement isnt out of the ordinary.
And Madrid wanted rid of him before the Galactico era was coming back. He just didnt convince even when Robben, Sniejder and the like were their "stars".
Higuain then? You conveniently seem to have ignored that part. He's not a galactico is he? Why isnt he on the first bus to Stuttguart?
A youngster who was prefered to Huntelaar, had a better season than Huntelaar, has more of a future at Real Madrid than Huntelaar.
And Madrid wanted rid of him before the Galactico era was coming back. He just didnt convince even when Robben, Sniejder and the like were their "stars".
Higuain then? You conveniently seem to have ignored that part. He's not a galactico is he? Why isnt he on the first bus to Stuttguart?
Higuain is a youngster, he is one for the future. Perez will make more money off of him if he waits for the player to develop a bit more, and making money is the only thing Perez gives a shit about.
A youngster who was prefered to Huntelaar, had a better season than Huntelaar, has more of a future at Real Madrid than Huntelaar.
And when we played Macheda or Welbeck, did that make them preferred?
Higuain - as far as i know - got an entire season with Real and was in the CL squad. Huntelaar joined them in January and didnt get the chances he deserved, frankly.
Considering half the caf talks about how our own Berbatov will improve oh-so much when given a pre-season with us, and uses that as an excuse for his underwhelming first season - why is it that in far worse circumstances, Huntelaar isnt afforded any of the same benefit of the doubt?
Real's management are idiots. Perez is more concerned with shirt sales and profit than he is with footballing success and trophies. That is why Higuain is given more chances and more games to help is development. If Higuain gets the same status Benzema got, then thats a good £30m in the bank for Perez when he sells.
He's not afforded the same benefit of the doubt because he's not that good.
Berbatov showed at Spurs he could be one of the best players in this team. He's not even close to that, so there's a lot of room for improvement.
Huntelaar showed at Ajax he could score goals at a very useful rate. He did exactly that, there's not much room for improvement.
Berbatov showed at Spurs he could be one of the best players in this team. He's not even close to that, so there's a lot of room for improvement.
Huntelaar showed at Ajax he could score goals at a very useful rate. He did exactly that, there's not much room for improvement.
Not much room for improvement my arse. He is 25, under the guidance of a top manager he could very easily improve his all-round game. Everyone is heaping praise on Owen now that we have signed him (and for the records, I think he will prove to be a good signing) and how he is such a quality finisher - yet with Huntelaar he is just one dimensional, supposedly.
Massive double standards are going on. Huntelaar is a great finisher, that is definitely his best asset, but to call him totally one dimensional is idiocy - his movement is great, and his holdup play/aerial threat is good.
By some peoples logic, if Ronaldo turned out to flop at Madrid and they wanted rid of him, we shouldnt get him simply on the grounds that we dont want Madrid rejects. Basing our policies on what Madrid do is bloody ridiculous.
Either way, this debate is obviously just going round in circles, so ill refrain from further commenting until something interesting turns up
Massive double standards are going on. Huntelaar is a great finisher, that is definitely his best asset, but to call him totally one dimensional is idiocy - his movement is great, and his holdup play/aerial threat is good.
By some peoples logic, if Ronaldo turned out to flop at Madrid and they wanted rid of him, we shouldnt get him simply on the grounds that we dont want Madrid rejects. Basing our policies on what Madrid do is bloody ridiculous.
Either way, this debate is obviously just going round in circles, so ill refrain from further commenting until something interesting turns up
whenever robben was fit he was first choice and played very well
regarding huntelaar: how does it matter that they want rid off huntelaar or not
th epolicy at madrid is not logical by any means, we cannot base our decisions on what they are trying to do....simple really.....
Higuain had a good season and that meant him being considered a starter. He played 35 league games scoring 22 goals last season. Macheda and Welbeck obviously didnt play or score anywhere near that amount of goals... Nor is Higuain a teenager.
"As far as I know" doesnt sound too promising... Are you really doing all this debating about Huntelaar having not watched Real Madrid semi-regularly last season? And if you didnt watch them fairly regularly, dont you think that might skew your opinion a bit?
Huntelaar got a run in the side and scored some goals but failed to convince. Thats on his head - had he put in 9/10 or 10/10 performances we wouldnt be having this debate because Huntelaar would be Real Madrid's first choice striker.
Its true for both players - but we're talking about what happened during Huntelaar's real madrid career, not what could possibly happen in the future if he stays at madrid. He wont stay, he's not being given that opperunity. The players brought in will mean he's given hardly any games and madrid are basically pushing him out the door. If they hadnt signed anyone he might have had a future at the club and having a pre-season to get ready for it would only have helped him out. But it isnt going to happen.
Also I'm not someone who uses excuses for Berbatov's first season. So it has little to do with me.
He'll only get that status at Madrid through keeping the fans on his side, scoring goals and putting in great performances. The same exact things Huntelaar could have done if he wanted to stay. Higuain is just a much better footballer than Huntelaar - although Huntelaar is a better finisher.
Huntelaar wouldnt look out of place playing for Everton. Higuain didnt look out of place playing for Madrid. There's the difference.
Owen's one dimensional too, no double standards from me there.
Incorrect. He was dropped and the manager stated that the team plays better without him as he likes to hold onto the ball and try and do it all himself too much. If he was Cristiano Ronaldo scoring 25 goals through doing this fair enough. But statistically Robben wasnt even one of the 10 most productive wingers in La Liga last season. In other words he tried to do it all himself and wasted the ball a large majority of the time.
Terrible argument. Madrid have moved heaven and earth trying to make sure they will win la liga next season. Huntelaar is being booted out the door in order for them to accomplish that.
to clarify this point - I am not a Madrid fan. When they signed Huntelaar in January I made a point of following their games, but why would i do so before that? I saw Higuain in the latter part of the season, but what happened in the former part i neither know nor overly care about.
Fair enough. So you watched specifically for Huntelaar and thats why you dont know too much about Higuain.
More or less
he was pivotal to the great run they had under ramos, madrid constantly changing managers in order to find the winning formula doesnt help players with their consistency either
need you be reminded that madrid won the la liga twice before the previous season and robben had played a key role in that as well alongwith ruud (whom madrid want to get rid off as well, so i guess ruud must be shit as well)
so if madrid don't win la liga next season then Ronaldo and kaka are useless ???
So in your own words Huntelaar wasn't given a proper chance at madrid, therefore we shouldn't be bothered if madrid want rid of him, since they are rebuilding their galactico's era, logic goes out of the window for them
that doesn't mean he won't do well for us
Forget the shirt sales argument (though you can bet that Madrid won't) he won't get into their team ahead of Benzema, Higuain, Ronaldo, Raul or even RvN (if he gets fit enough to stay).
Would he get into our team ahead of Rooney or Berbatov - I doubt it. Ahead of Owen - maybe, but not in the "change the game" sub sense. I think he'd be chasing for playing time - the same scraps we need for people like Welbeck.
It wouldn't be like buying an Aguero say - a player with potential to strengthen the first 11. He'd be just another squad memeber and personally that seems the wrong move for him and us.
Would he get into our team ahead of Rooney or Berbatov - I doubt it. Ahead of Owen - maybe, but not in the "change the game" sub sense. I think he'd be chasing for playing time - the same scraps we need for people like Welbeck.
It wouldn't be like buying an Aguero say - a player with potential to strengthen the first 11. He'd be just another squad memeber and personally that seems the wrong move for him and us.
Incorrect again. He wont be given the oppertunity to stay - not hasnt been given the oppertunity to stay. They wanted rid of him before they brought back the Galactico policy.
But getting rid of a player you only bought six months ago is Rafa like stupidity. It also means you don't get to set the price for his leaving. If he says I am staying to fight for a place in the team and if Real really want rid of him then there are few clubs he would be willing to go to. We are one and a deal has to be organised with someone. To say the price is the same as he was bought for and that is that is a bit simplistic.IE not only do Real get to feck his Real career up they also get to decide his next move.
I don't generally feel sorry for pro footballers who live an exceptional lifestyle but the way this kid is being and has been treated is wrong. He waited for the chance to go to a very big club capable of winning things and getting to the latter stages in Europe. Now Real want to ship him off to which ever club will pay the most for him.
He should refuse to go to any club he doesn't want to go to and if that means Real take a big loss on his transfer fee then they should mark that down as a cost of doing business the way they do.
I'm not saying I dont feel he's been treated harshly by Madrid - but he's not the only one. He knew how the club is before he went there so he is in part to blame. And there's not really room in football for sentimentality.
At the end of the day a diagonal move to a club like Stuttguart could be the making of him. He can go there where there will be a level of expectation much lower than at a big club, but still big enough to push him to become a better player as he would be expected the replace Gomez in every way.
And if he does well there - perhaps even better than Gomez, and improves his general and hold up play, maybe in 2 seasons time another big club come in for him and he's in a better condition to succeed as a starter. At that time he should be a better, more experienced player with more to offer than he currently does and worthy of having a top side build their team around him.
That is a fair point and should be a warning to all who are tempted to go there.
This summer has been crazy ,if we are now at the point where twenty million pound players get six months to prove themselves then the game really is insane.
Wasn't there a top Italian team in for him last summer?Lets say he wants to go there rather than Germany but the Italians don't want to pay any where near Real's price.What happens then?
Stuttgart are a decent club in the end and could be perfect for Huntelaar. They are a club on the up, have a very good chairman and a young, competent manager in Markus Babbel. Currently they are extending their stadium to 60,000 seats, offer excellent training facilities and have been in the title race until the last day of the season in 2008/09. They are also going to play Champions League qualification and will most likely qualify for the Group stages.
Right now I'd say they are the third biggest club in Germany (counting everything in: current success, facilities, finances...), just behind Bremen and of course European giant Bayern Munich.
Huntelaar would do himself a favour to go there, even though of course he has to take a wage-cut. According to the kicker, Stuttgart offer two million Euros in wages a year while he earns four million Euros in Madrid. They'll either meet in the middle or Stuttgart will sign another striker, most likely Vagner Love of CSKA Moscow.
Right now I'd say they are the third biggest club in Germany (counting everything in: current success, facilities, finances...), just behind Bremen and of course European giant Bayern Munich.
Huntelaar would do himself a favour to go there, even though of course he has to take a wage-cut. According to the kicker, Stuttgart offer two million Euros in wages a year while he earns four million Euros in Madrid. They'll either meet in the middle or Stuttgart will sign another striker, most likely Vagner Love of CSKA Moscow.
Obviously.
Who told you? I don't remember them booing him at any point in time. A sure fire way of knowing REAL fans are not convinced.
What management? He is being sold because he is making ways for GALACTICOS. Pretty boys, with fancy skills who sell loads of shirts and have massive reps. Do you not under stand that?It's the same reason their best striker for the last 2 seasons, called Ruud Van Nistelrooy is also being sold.
As I said earlier I never saw any REAL fans complain about Huntelaar. So I'm curious as to from where you got that conclusion.
Yea. That is why he is on the transfer list with Robben....
He doesn't need to be as good a footballer as Ruud. For he more than compensates for that with his intelligent movement and lethal finishing. Period.
Furthermore he is not as poor a footballer as most on here suggest. Or he'd never have survived in Ajax's 4-3-3 formation. EVER.
why are you arguing about this player? He's not coming to United. Your opinion doesn't count (thankfully) when it comes to transfers in or out of United
you could say the same for 99% of posts/threads on the transfer forum.
i mean, specifically arguing over a player who has either already signed for a different club or on the verge of it. Whats the point?
people were still going apeshit about Benzema while he was in negotiations with Madrid.
moreover, the alleged latest news on Huntelaar is that he rejected Stuttgarts contract, meaning he is fair game again.
What the feck were you smoking when you wrote that sentence?!
He was drinking Perez juice