Kim Min-jae | signed for Bayern

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HTG said:
Yeah, I don’t like ignorance. By the very same logic your club is more difficult to play for than City. And that’s ridiculous. Especially considering none of your players would be likely to make their first team.
I’m in no way shape or form arguing that the level of competition in the Bundesliga is as high or higher as in the Premier League. That would be ridiculous. But the level of competition at Bayern is significantly higher than at United. You know, the United that actually wanted to extend Pogba, after years of plying pure shit. The man wouldn’t even be allowed to enter our stadium if he had „performed“ for us like that.
Yeah, it’s easy to win domestic titles with us. But it’s about three times harder to make our squad than it is to make yours. Or that of Arsenal, Tottenham and maybe even Chelsea. Competition ain’t exclusive to league matchups. There is such a thing like internal competition.
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I mean, yeah, generally it would be harder to get a starting spot for Bayern than in the current United team, but I'd say it's a lot easier for KMJ to get a spot as a centre back in the Bayern defence than it would be for him to get ahead of Varane and Martinez in the United defence.

It's not like your team are full of world class stars in every single position and on the bench. You have Choupo-Moting playing regularly, for one.

I think the point he was trying to make was that KMJ would have it more challenging to get a spot in the United defense than in Bayern's, which is true, but also that the competition we face regularly and the intensity of the games are much more challenging.
 
zaafi said:
I mean, yeah, generally it would be harder to get a starting spot for Bayern than in the current United team, but I'd say it's a lot easier for KMJ to get a spot as a centre back in the Bayern defence than it would be for him to get ahead of Varane and Martinez in the United defence.

It's not like your team are full of world class stars in every single position and on the bench. You have Choupo-Moting playing regularly, for one.

I think the point he was trying to make was that KMJ would have it more challenging to get a spot in the United defense than in Bayern's, which is true, but also that the competition we face regularly and the intensity of the games are much more challenging.
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Judged on a case by case basis, you could have a point. Though I disagree with your assessment of our quality at cb. But that’s ok and not important. The user I quoted actually stated in a generalised way that going to us was taking the easy ride. And that statement is absolutely wrong in my view. If it wasn’t made as a general statement, I wouldn’t have bothered.
There’s no way anyone can convince me the club throwing money at the likes of Pogba or De Gea is in general a tougher environment for a player than Bayern is.
 
HTG said:
Sure. Still not easy to play for us. I’d argue it’s much more difficult than playing for United, for example. We don’t give people like De Gea or Jones contract after contract for nothing. We are not constantly rewarding mediocrity like you are doing. You play a bad season and that could very well be it. Your goalkeeper is playing like a blind sloth and is earning more than most of our players. Sounds extremely easy to me. And it’s not just your keeper.
Just because it’s easier to get into most clubs, doesn’t mean it’s easy to play for Bayern. That’s like saying it’s easy to play for Barca, Real or Juve.
It’s also much easier to play for your club than it is to play for City. Even though they’ve won 5 out of the last 6 (I believe).

I’d go farther and claim that the easiest route is the one taken by players joining clubs like yours all the way down to the Everton’s and Wolerhampton‘s in the league. Getting stupid rich without ever having to prove yourself in a team with actual top talent at every position.
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You're wildly missing the point. I'm not saying it's easy to play for Bayern. You have to be a good player. But if two clubs of equal stature are on the table and offering you a deal, and you pick Bayern, you're picking the easier life.

The challenge of that league and joining a team that wins the league every year, is the player picking an easier environment.

Same with PSG etc.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
You're wildly missing the point. I'm not saying it's easy to play for Bayern. You have to be a good player. But if two clubs of equal stature are on the table and offering you a deal, and you pick Bayern, you're picking the easier life.

The challenge of that league and joining a team that wins the league every year, is the player picking an easier environment.

Same with PSG etc.
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Or picking the better deal
 
zaafi said:
I mean, yeah, generally it would be harder to get a starting spot for Bayern than in the current United team, but I'd say it's a lot easier for KMJ to get a spot as a centre back in the Bayern defence than it would be for him to get ahead of Varane and Martinez in the United defence.

It's not like your team are full of world class stars in every single position and on the bench. You have Choupo-Moting playing regularly, for one.

I think the point he was trying to make was that KMJ would have it more challenging to get a spot in the United defense than in Bayern's, which is true, but also that the competition we face regularly and the intensity of the games are much more challenging.
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No, my point is picking to play for Bayern is the easier gig.
 
HTG said:
So it would have been easier for Pogba or De Gea at Bayern?
Is City the easier gig than United? If not, why?
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By the same token that you are arguing that internal competition is (generally, although perhaps not at CB) higher at Bayern, you could also argue that things like structure, team cohesion, footballing identity, skilled team mates etc., are in place to a much larger degree at Bayern than United. In other words, the environment is set up for KMJ or any other player to succeed, whereas at United in recent years it hasn't been. We're all just hoping ETH will change that
 
We still have a chance to offer him a better contract than Bayern. His release clause is not active yet.
 
HTG said:
So it would have been easier for Pogba or De Gea at Bayern?
Is City the easier gig than United? If not, why?
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Yes it is because at teams like Bayern and city your guaranteed trophies so of course players are gonna want to join them for instant success. Players who want to challenge them selves will join teams like us.
 
DJ_21 said:
Yes it is because at teams like Bayern and city your guaranteed trophies so of course players are gonna want to join them for instant success. Players who want to challenge them selves will join teams like us.
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Until we become good again then anyone who joins us wants an easy ride
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
People are getting really angry at the people at the top of the club for this and usually I can sympathise but in this instance it strikes me as entirely nonsensical.

By all accounts, we have been proactive in making our interest known to Kim but he's opted to join Bayern. This might have something to do with the wage package they're reportedly offering, which some are saying could be as high as 400k per week before tax. Frankly, we'd be fecking mental to match that when centre back is not a priority position this summer.

It's not like you could accuse the club of being too slow here. The guy has a release clause which doesn't become active until 1st July; we basically could not have completed this deal until that date at a minimum. In that time, another club has clearly come in and made him an offer that he considers more attractive. I struggle to see what we should be doing here; going back and offering him crazy money until he accepts?
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The reported wages were like €200k net. That’s what tipped me over the edge into not being bothered about this one.

CB to me is our 4th priority after ST, GK and CM.

I thought we’d be after a younger CB rather than someone at his peak who could feasibly take Varane’s spot.

I still think if we can move Maguire on and bring in a quicker centre half then that’s fine.
 
HTG said:
Judged on a case by case basis, you could have a point. Though I disagree with your assessment of our quality at cb. But that’s ok and not important. The user I quoted actually stated in a generalised way that going to us was taking the easy ride. And that statement is absolutely wrong in my view. If it wasn’t made as a general statement, I wouldn’t have bothered.
There’s no way anyone can convince me the club throwing money at the likes of Pogba or De Gea is in general a tougher environment for a player than Bayern is.
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Can’t be that hard to be better than Upamecano.
 
pascell said:
Nowhere near ready for United first team, needs another two seasons on loan.
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I don’t think Garnacho looked ready last year. Players come on really quickly at that age. As an occasional option in League Cup or in an injury crisis Fernandez would be fine and might surprise us.

That being said regular games are probably better for him.
 
Cassidy said:
Until we become good again then anyone who joins us wants an easy ride
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When we become good we probably still won’t be the best in the league if city and pep carry on. Teams should want to join us now based on us showing promise and we’re on the up. Players should be motivated to come and be the ones to help us overtake that treble winning city team.
 
This Utd vs Bayern discussion is pointless when Bayern are probably offering a starting role and we are offering the bench
 
sparx99 said:
I don’t think Garnacho looked ready last year. Players come on really quickly at that age. As an occasional option in League Cup or in an injury crisis Fernandez would be fine and might surprise us.

That being said regular games are probably better for him.
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Like I say, he needs another few seasons of senior football, his fitness levels aren't there yet and neither are Garnachos.
 
DJ_21 said:
When we become good we probably still won’t be the best in the league if city and pep carry on. Teams should want to join us now based on us showing promise and we’re on the up. Players should be motivated to come and be the ones to help us overtake that treble winning city team.
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Its a bit silly to say if a player joins the best team in the league they want an easy ride. United were clearly the best at one point and we didn’t say that then.

If you believe you’re the best you’ll want to play with and for the best
 
Cassidy said:
Its a bit silly to say if a player joins the best team in the league they want an easy ride. United were clearly the best at one point and we didn’t say that then.

If you believe you’re the best you’ll want to play with and for the best
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Think it's more about the competitiveness of the league. Its far easier for Bayern to win the bundesliga than it is for any team to win the Premier League
 
Cassidy said:
Its a bit silly to say if a player joins the best team in the league they want an easy ride. United were clearly the best at one point and we didn’t say that then.

If you believe you’re the best you’ll want to play with and for the best
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To be fair I never said any of that… I said players will pick teams like Bayern and city for instant success, they’re guaranteed trophies. City’s team is getting dismantled this summer because they’ve won the treble so maybe they want a new challenge. Each player as there own reasons for choosing whichever team they choose… sometimes it’s for trophies, sometimes for money or it can be because they love that team.
 
horse_pills said:
Think it's more about the competitiveness of the league. Its far easier for Bayern to win the bundesliga than it is for any team to win the Premier League
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Then City cannot be an example
 
Acrobat7 said:
Bayern are paying higher wages than United.
Besides, you would probably have had a better discussion if you hadn't just taken a shit on the Bundesliga in general.
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Not difficult given you've won the league eleven times in the row.

Again, another Bayern fan.
 
Cassidy said:
Its a bit silly to say if a player joins the best team in the league they want an easy ride. United were clearly the best at one point and we didn’t say that then.

If you believe you’re the best you’ll want to play with and for the best
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United never won the league eleven times in a row.

For context, only five teams ever have won more and they're in weak countries or a hundred years ago
 
Dobba said:
So that's what, £290k a week and his agent gets just shy of £13m as well?
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Damn.. that's serious wage for someone with 1 year in top flight football.

Although it will be interesting to see how much we'll pay Mount.
 
Scottynaldinho said:
We didn't need him and I'm glad we didn't burn our funds on a Korean Maguire.
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Quite far from a Korean Maguire. Aggressive. Good at one v one. Can bring the ball out from the back. Watch how Napoli operated over their title winning season and how his performances were integral. KMJ is far ahead of Maguire in every facet of his game.
 
DJ_21 said:
Every time I open this thread I’m hoping it’s good news that we’ve jumped ahead of the que… I mean could still happen if we submit his release clause in next week. I doubt it though…
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Don’t see it happening now. Too much near conclusive reporting regarding Bayern. Only a matter of time before he signs for them. It’s a shame as he’s been touted as one of the best in on his position and how often do we get to sign of those?
 
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