Kim Min-jae | signed for Bayern

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bosnian_red said:
Making Varane a squad player when he is on 350k per week and still a top class CB isn't a realistic thing. Yeah he gets some injuries but he's still an elite CB. You just deal with the knocks best you can and we dealt with them well this past season. Lindelof is a good backup CB so just agree to disagree there, he did well as cover for Varane and I'm very comfortable with that.
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If we let wages dictate who starts games then we'll never move forward and challenge. Unfortunately City have just set the standard for everyone to match and they have 3 top quality CBs and Laporte who's better than Lindelof, that's what we're up against. We need to look beyond this next season and bring in some actual strategic planning and replacing Varane with KMJ would be a massive step in the right direction, as Martinez and KMJ would form our CB partnership for years to come.
 
Red in STL said:
You have to be realistic, spending the money on him means we don't sign what we actually need more because of how much we can actually spend
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Of course budget limitations come into it, but we’ve got a fair few assets that we could sell to free up FFP money, such as Maguire, Henderson and McTominay.

I’m guessing that most of our transfer activity’s on hold until the ownership situation is resolved though, so it’s a bit of a non-issue to argue about it as I can’t see that being resolved by July 1st, at which point Kim will have signed for Bayern.
 
RedBanker said:
It's disappointing true. But so is not being able to sign many other players who are/were what we needed and moved to other clubs. Don't agree with your point about the striker. We had a good defensive record last year. What we didn't have were goals. I would rather we buy a young CB but a top class striker such as Osimhen.
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Sure, if we could straight-up choose between a top striker and a top CB we take the striker of course.

What I meant is when you’re trying to strengthen you have to buy players who are available and good enough. If we can get defenders or midfielders who are good enough but can’t agree a deal for a striker who’s good enough, we should get the players we can, while we can. Defensive record was good but it doesn’t hurt to improve it.
 
Anustart89 said:
Of course budget limitations come into it, but we’ve got a fair few assets that we could sell to free up FFP money, such as Maguire, Henderson and McTominay.

I’m guessing that most of our transfer activity’s on hold until the ownership situation is resolved though, so it’s a bit of a non-issue to argue about it as I can’t see that being resolved by July 1st, at which point Kim will have signed for Bayern.
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But you can't bank on them being sold, Henderson will probably go because Forest want him but the other 2 are not guaranteed to leave
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
We only hget a centre back if Maguire or Lindelof leaves. If that is the case, it should be someone with potential, who can eventually take over from Varane.

Timber would probably be ten Hag's first choice. Disasi has been mentioned, but I know nothing about him.
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This attitude prevents us from gettin back to the top. We have tobe much harder at replacing non performers. Sorry but if any of Maguire, Wout or Martial is still a United player by August we have learned nothing and don’t want to progress
 
doomy20 said:
Sorry but if any of Maguire, Wout or Martial is still a United player by August we have learned nothing and don’t want to progress
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2 of those players have contracts, it's not just a matter of wanting them gone. But yes if we sign Wout that would be madness.
 
Red in STL said:
But you can't bank on them being sold, Henderson will probably go because Forest want him but the other 2 are not guaranteed to leave
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Henderson is likely to leave and McTominay is reportedly willing to move due to limited playing time. They are the big ones in terms of generating both transfer funds and FFP wiggle room due to having no book value as academy products. As for Maguire, if we'd sign a defender for £50m at 100k/w that'd be £15m per year in terms of FFP money. Two thirds of that would be offset just by getting rid of Maguire's wages without us receiving a single pound for him in terms of a transfer fee. Depending on how ruthless we'd want to be surely we'd be able to make him make way for a better defender more suited to the playing style of the club, and it's that ruthlessness that has seen other clubs leapfrog us over the past decade, while we still have Eric Bailly and Alex Telles on our books (to name a few)...
 
flappyjay said:
2 of those players have contracts, it's not just a matter of wanting them gone. But yes if we sign Wout that would be madness.
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I know but it’s not like for example Maguire is a j*erk or something, if somebody would sit down with him calmly, telling him Look mate we wanna get Kim in, you will get no game time at all, you have no future here, think of your England career. Then I am sure he would push for a move together with the club. Same for Martial. That’s what’s needed to progress but it feels like we don’t do that at all.
 
Anustart89 said:
Henderson is likely to leave and McTominay is reportedly willing to move due to limited playing time. They are the big ones in terms of generating both transfer funds and FFP wiggle room due to having no book value as academy products. As for Maguire, if we'd sign a defender for £50m at 100k/w that'd be £15m per year in terms of FFP money. Two thirds of that would be offset just by getting rid of Maguire's wages without us receiving a single pound for him in terms of a transfer fee. Depending on how ruthless we'd want to be surely we'd be able to make him make way for a better defender more suited to the playing style of the club, and it's that ruthlessness that has seen other clubs leapfrog us over the past decade, while we still have Eric Bailly and Alex Telles on our books (to name a few)...
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We ain't signing a 50m defender on 100K a week, Kim will cost as much if not more than Maguire in terms of wages, and if Maguire doesn't want to leave he can't be forced to
 
This would be very disapointing to me. I thought he looked the ideal sort to give us a compelling third centre back option for a fairly reasonable sum.
 
Šutalo is my pick and will point this out every time a right sided cb target comes up. I couldn't care less what FBref or gocompare.ball says he is a player young and he won't be anywhere near expensive.
 
Red in STL said:
We ain't signing a 50m defender on 100K a week, Kim will cost as much if not more than Maguire in terms of wages, and if Maguire doesn't want to leave he can't be forced to
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Disasi would probably fit that bill. And Maguire would leave if we told him that he'd be training with the reserves, although I do get your point about him having a contract and is well within his rights to honour that. It's just a matter of how ruthless we're willing to be with players deemed not good enough. We've subsidised wages for other players departing the club preciously as well, and in Maguire's case that'd probably be in the form of reducing a transfer fee.
 
glasgow 21 said:
Šutalo is my pick and will point this out every time a right sided cb target comes up. I couldn't care less what FBref or gocompare.ball says he is a player young and he won't be anywhere near expensive.
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€25m is the quoted price to Arsenal if you believe the press.

It’ll be €40m as soon as we enter the frame though..
 
daba said:
€25m is the quoted price to Arsenal if you believe the press.

It’ll be €40m as soon as we enter the frame though..
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A 22 year old with versatility you got to make the phone call asap as everyone else at at Carrington is on Trust a trader trying to fine someone to fix the fax machine.
 
I don’t think any of the alternatives will be better than this guy. I also don’t think they’ll be as cheap as Kim is. He’s just won the league in Italy and would have added a winning mentality to our squad. Gutted we missed out on this one. He’s a top defender.
 
glasgow 21 said:
Šutalo is my pick and will point this out every time a right sided cb target comes up. I couldn't care less what FBref or gocompare.ball says he is a player young and he won't be anywhere near expensive.
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Never seen him play or heard of him until tonight for Croatia. Could be a good shout and an outsider who’ll be cheap just like when we signed Vidic from Russia. But do you really think our scouting team will pick him out? They’re useless and go for people in the same country and same league or a well known player.
 
glasgow 21 said:
Šutalo is my pick and will point this out every time a right sided cb target comes up. I couldn't care less what FBref or gocompare.ball says he is a player young and he won't be anywhere near expensive.
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He would be ideal. In terms of his attributes, he’s the profile of central defender we should be looking for to cover Varane IMO.
 
Anustart89 said:
Disasi would probably fit that bill. And Maguire would leave if we told him that he'd be training with the reserves, although I do get your point about him having a contract and is well within his rights to honour that. It's just a matter of how ruthless we're willing to be with players deemed not good enough. We've subsidised wages for other players departing the club preciously as well, and in Maguire's case that'd probably be in the form of reducing a transfer fee.
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Subsidised wages means it's counted towards the FFP or whatever it's called these days so you still have the problem, the only way I see it working is if the let him go for free so he can get the wages at a new club but there's probably some FFP issue with that as well for all I know!
 
doomy20 said:
This attitude prevents us from gettin back to the top. We have tobe much harder at replacing non performers. Sorry but if any of Maguire, Wout or Martial is still a United player by August we have learned nothing and don’t want to progress
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What do you suggest we do then? Unfortunately, it's not fifa. As stated before, two of the players you mentioned are under contract. If they want to stay, then there's not much we can really do. I mean, we could release them, but when does that ever happen?

I have no doubt that the club are actively looking for buyers, but it's not as simple as that!
 
RedBanker said:
Napoli is not Kmj. Napoli won the title. And Koulibaly was the most wanted CB for years. KMJ is a name that has come up maybe just a year and a half or so. If you really want to fixate on some Napoli players we should buy, fixate on Osimhen and Krava. They are more of the reason Napoli won the title.
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Nobody wanted Koulibaly up until Chelsea went ahead and bought him. It was all Italian media bs that they came up with Koulibaly transfer stories every year. There was never a concrete report of any club making an approach to Napoli ever. Same case as for Milinkovic-Savic. Every year Mourinho wanted him but did we ever hear anything from Di Marzio or Romano on that? Easy to believe nonsense from the media whithout any substance.

Kmj is a CB of a title winning team. Has experience of winning trophies. In the process of doing it he proved himself to be the best CB of the league. If you wanna devalue his performances just to win an argument, you're welcome to do so. If we want a CB, we should be in for him rather than an unproven player from Monaco.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
What do you suggest we do then? Unfortunately, it's not fifa. As stated before, two of the players you mentioned are under contract. If they want to stay, then there's not much we can really do. I mean, we could release them, but when does that ever happen?

I have no doubt that the club are actively looking for buyers, but it's not as simple as that!
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Spot on, even if they released them they would have to pay up the contracts anyway and that counts towards the FFP
 
I’m sure United would match whatever wages Bayern were offering, even now, so I guess he just wants the domestic success they are assured of.
 
The Glazers screwing us on their way out of the door. Second worst thing ever to happen to this club after Munich.
 
We clearly didn't make him feel wanted enough or he was worried about not starting regularly
 
I haven’t feel the same disappointment since failing to sign Haaland last time from Salzburg.
 
Taking the easy way out...sign with Bayern....gonna hop, skip, jump their way to a 12th title in a row. Disappointed in his decision.
 
Loon said:
I’m sure United would match whatever wages Bayern were offering, even now, so I guess he just wants the domestic success they are assured of.
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I also think he believes he will start there
 
Loon said:
I’m sure United would match whatever wages Bayern were offering, even now, so I guess he just wants the domestic success they are assured of.
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Not sure about that. If reports of 10m€ net are true, that's what 20m gross or 400k€/week or 340k£/week....doubt we can afford 2 CBs on that wages
 
glasgow 21 said:
Šutalo is my pick and will point this out every time a right sided cb target comes up. I couldn't care less what FBref or gocompare.ball says he is a player young and he won't be anywhere near expensive.
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The White Pele said:
He would be ideal. In terms of his attributes, he’s the profile of central defender we should be looking for to cover Varane IMO.
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Agreed, we should be bringing someone younger as an understudy to Varane. Someone who is ready to make the step up and we will give him sufficient time to settle in. I like Sutalo from what (little) I’ve seen of him but anyone else maybe 20-22 would be good. Antonio Silva will be the dream CB signing but he’ll cost Maguire money.
 
Loon said:
I’m sure United would match whatever wages Bayern were offering, even now, so I guess he just wants the domestic success they are assured of.
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I think it’s rather a combination of things:
- domestic success there
- assured to start a lot of games there (Varane and Martinez ahead of him here when fit)
- better chance of European success there
- better wages there? (We are going to cap our player at 200k max, looks like he is earning far more at Bayern)
- Uncertainty with us on new ownership, near FFP limit after years of overspending on average players, and Maguire refusing to leave etc
 
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