Just read somewhere that Pires reckons he's what Arsenal need in midfield. Can someone who's been watching him regularly for Madrid tell me what exactly does he add to the team? I've hardly ever seen Khedira play and I'd like to know what his strengths and weaknesses are.
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He is better than Arteta and Flamini, so that's automatically an upgrade.
Arsenal should be concerned about his recent injury record.
Is he a defensive player or more attack minded? The system we play, with centre backs playing high and spreading out - both full backs up the pitch - we need the central midfielder to protect the defence. Does he do that?
Is he any more injured than Arteta or Flamini? Both players get injured quite often. Arteta had an excellent first season with us, but has been injured quite often ever since.
Runs around a lot, loves to get forward and finds himself in pretty decent positions. Has an uncanny talent of managing to feck it up when he gets there though.
Pretty much this. If you want a holding player then Khedira isn't your man. He's not very disciplined, great engine on him though so he can press teams high up the pitch.
That's near enough as far as his abilities extend, once he gets on the ball he rarely does anything useful with it.
He is not a deep lying midfielder/defensive midfielder just like Fellaini he is a box to box with a great engine, scores a few goals and basically runs up and down the whole match. He is not the man for Arsenal if they are looking to replace Arteta and Flamini.
I never understood why there are people who say that Arsenal would need Khedira. They probably never saw him play.
He is at his best when he has a player next to him who does the creative work and sits back as the deepest midfielder in front of the defense.
Like Xabi Alsonso at Real and Schweinsteiger at Germany. A midfield I could see him work in would also be Juventus if they'd sold Vidal and got Khedira to replace him next to Pirlo.
Someone sitting deep allows him to use his energy to run around a lot in midfield, basically playing box to box or sometimes even making runs on the wing if space opens up there. To play a pure DM who should protect the back 4, he lacks the discipline and possibly positional awareness.
A good example could be seen about 2 or 3 seasons ago in the German national team when Schweinsteiger was injured and Löw had to play Kroos and Khedira in midfield.
Kroos was not yet comfortable playing a CM role let alone as the deepest player in midfield.
So it was on Khedira to sit deep and play as a DM. He couldn't do it and was criticised as a headless chicken because he always made runs -like he always does- and abandoned his position, leaving the backline exposed.
So, if you want a replacement for Arteta and Flamini, Khedira is not your guy. His natural position is the same as Ramsey's in the Arsenal squad.
It will probably get worse if he goes to the Emirates, not a doubt.
Imagine being in a position where I can look at our midfield and say that Khedira won't get into my first XI if everyone's fit.
Don't think they need someone like him. He would be a weaker version of Ramsey imo maybe a bit better defensively but much weaker going forward. They need a defensive specialist in midfield and not another midfielder who has the instinct to go foward with every attack.
I don't watch Madrid much and am judging him on the above posts he doesn't sound like he'll make a top clubs XI after he leaves, perhaps he's Gerrard's replacement (of Gerrards new role)?
He's more similar to Henderson than Gerrard.
Very underrated on here for some reason. He's a quality player.
People are underestimating Khedira's ability to play as a DM, I think.
It might not be his best position, but if healthy, he'd be a serious upgrade to the Flamini/Arteta combo. He can tackle, pass relatively well and (again if healthy) is quite mobile. He does tend to burst forward more than sit back, but lots of players move a bit deeper as they age. I don't think he'd necessarily be as flaky as Gerrard as a DM. It would be a risk, but he's got all the tools to be a 6. It's just a question of if he's able to take to the slight change in position.
It might not be his best position, but if healthy, he'd be a serious upgrade to the Flamini/Arteta combo. He can tackle, pass relatively well and (again if healthy) is quite mobile. He does tend to burst forward more than sit back, but lots of players move a bit deeper as they age. I don't think he'd necessarily be as flaky as Gerrard as a DM. It would be a risk, but he's got all the tools to be a 6. It's just a question of if he's able to take to the slight change in position.
Well he's absolutely nothing like Gerrard in the sense that he won't dictate from deep. That isn't an asset of his game and fails to utilise one of his biggest strengths which is his engine. Plus, Gerrard has been widely criticised for not offering enough protection to the defence, as he lacks the positional awareness and general intelligence for the role which is coincidentally something Khedira has been lambasted for in the past.
Would have him here on the left/right of the diamond as a squad player, but his wage demands are way over the top (unless we get rid of Young, Ando etc.). Great engine, not shy of getting stuck in, big game player too.
You already have that team. Khedira is only useful as box to box because he gets stuck in and has good work rate. His work rate compensates for his lack of speed and agility, but only to a point. He likes to charge forward but he really can't score and his technical abilities are average. The thing that was frustrating (me) while he was in Madrid was the fact that he was loosing too many duels (for a guys his size) and his tackling is again, just average.
In my opinion, Herrera beats him at pretty much everything.
I like your midfield. All three of them have decent to very good tehnique, Blind works hard, Di Maria is completely unpredictable and Herrera is just very interesting all around midfielder. I see only one issue with your first choice midfield, and that is ability to slow down the play. That's LVG's biggest challenge, to make Di Maria and Herrera play slower when they should.
A player who I have never understood. On the ball he is completely average. Not a good enough passer, not a good enough scorer. He provides physicality, energy, is tactically disciplined and that's probably about it. But even for a defensive engine he doesn't put up a lot of tackles or intercepts many balls. Modric actually beats him in both aspects. Although tackles and interceptions isn't the whole story and correct positioning can't be quantified I don't think Real Madrid nor Germany missed him last season when he was injured. A more shiny version of James Milner?
I don't think the bench place on Bayern Munich is better than Real Madrid's......it can be feckin cold there for a few months
He'd get injured within the first few weeks anyway, our central midfielders clearly are cursed 
. But with our constant injury crisis in CM, I wouldn't mind adding a bit more depth, we clearly can't have enough. We also should sign Valdes as a 4th goalkeeper, maybe one out of three good back-up goalkeepers would be fit, when Neuer is injured. Two back-ups are clearly not enough.
. But with our constant injury crisis in CM, I wouldn't mind adding a bit more depth, we clearly can't have enough. We also should sign Valdes as a 4th goalkeeper, maybe one out of three good back-up goalkeepers would be fit, when Neuer is injured. Two back-ups are clearly not enough.Doesn't seem like a Guardiola type of player.
He's not. I'd be surprised if Pep wanted him.
As a midfielder, he doesn't fit into the team at all, but I could see him as a good back-up for Alaba's box-to-box centerback role or whatever you want to call it. We don't have anyone else for that in the squad.
I wouldnt feel comfortable with Khedira in the back3...Buying him for a couple of month would be a waste. We´ll survive with gaudino, rode, hojbjerg till winter. Schweinsteiger will come back, too.
Hoeness and Rummenigge wanted him in his Stuttgart days. Van Gaal wasn't a fan of him.
And yeah i don't think he's a Guardiola type of player at all. Rummenigge is surely still interested in him and Sammer would love to have anyway all german national team player at the club.
For me that seems to be a rumour without substance.
There was talks that there were problems between him and Schweinsteiger/Lahm during the World Cup. Khedira ain't really a quiet bench player. And his chances to be a starting player are a lot higher elsewhere.
There was talks that there were problems between him and Schweinsteiger/Lahm during the World Cup. Khedira ain't really a quiet bench player. And his chances to be a starting player are a lot higher elsewhere.
I think it's fairly obvious he's going to Bayern
It is fairly obvious he does not go to Munich when the club even officially tells this rumours have no substance at all. They did today.
I'd take that with a pinch of salt, I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up there
Yeah, thats as close to a confirmation somethings happening as you're likely to get.
Should just go to Arsenal and play DM and he can run a bit less as he will be 28 next season and he might lose a yard of pace anyways.
You'd think he'd want to play more than he would at Bayern.
You'd think he'd want to play more than he would at Bayern.
I thought Khedira was supposed to be the most beloved teammate in German history?
I think Cadena SER are reliable. Pretty clear that he will end up there, not the first time strong rumours linking him to Bayern. He is not a Pep type of player, but he is German, still a good and useful squad player and they can get him for free. Obviously it makes sense.
I think a German player would probably want to play for the biggest team in Germany and arguably the best club side in the world over bloody Arsenal.
Well he's not what we need to balance the midfield and he wants silly money so who cares?
They usually are, however I wonder how the board have managed to convince Pep about signing him. I remember reading somewhere, not that long ago, that Pep was against his signing.
He'd get injured within the first few weeks anyway, our central midfielders clearly are cursed
You are not allowed be depressed, you have endless world class midfielders and looking to add more, imagine that same situation with your defense but instead of world class back ups you've fecking Evans and debut youths!
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