Kevin Strootman
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Maybe we can oversee the rest of his rehabilitation and slowly ease him into life at OT.
All we want is another player coming back from injury.
I wouldn't trust us treating a paper cut at the moment.
But its the obvious one and we've been linked for a long time, so they'll bend us over. Because he's the one player we seem to want and they know it. So we'll probably pay whatever it takes like we have for all our big players we've signed. Roma will make sure we do the same again
And the money wont matter to them now, just going for the title will matter and they're more likely to do that with Strootman than without him. In the summer when he's proven his fitness they'll have more negotiating power for his transfer fee too. So theres no reason for them to let him go before then
No, he has the worse haircut of all time. Even Vidal his haircut is better. Vidal > Nianggolan.
We'll finish top 4. We won't win the league with or without him. No point signing him in January. It would just be an unnecessary risk.
Is he the man for us really?
Just done a quick look at whoscored and according to them (if they're accurate) he's only made 34 apps in last 3 years
Just done a quick look at whoscored and according to them (if they're accurate) he's only made 34 apps in last 3 years
Sums it up perfectly.
It's probably the best part of his game, in all honesty. He is pretty robust and 'all-action' as LvG himself states, but his best attribute is his eye for a pass. Obviously not as polished as Carrick, very few are.
Is he the man for us really?
Just done a quick look at whoscored and according to them (if they're accurate) he's only made 34 apps in last 3 years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Strootman gives different numbers,
Was about to watch the Roma-City game today, saw he wasn't playing and turned it straight off, pronto.
get him now and give him Fletcher's role untill he returns to his best.
Which even if it went as well as possible, would mean A) We dont see him in good form till next season after he's at peak fitness and settled, if that actually happens and B) A lot of people would be writing him off already as we'd have paid a lot for another player not doing the business for 6 months
Is he the man for us really?
Just done a quick look at whoscored and according to them (if they're accurate) he's only made 34 apps in last 3 years
There is only 2 years and you can see that they ignored the eredivisie and the netherland A.
According to the Wiki, in the 6 seasons prior to this one he has averaged 35.5 games a season.
I don't think signing him will make any difference to our final position.
He's not the difference between 3rd and 2nd nor is he the difference between 3rd/4th and 5th or below.
It would be much better for us to leave him there to rehabilitate, hopefully avoid a set back, avoid a January premium and show he's back to where he was and that it wasn't a purple patch last season. I assume it wasn't as LvG seems to know him well from NT days.
He's not the difference between 3rd and 2nd nor is he the difference between 3rd/4th and 5th or below.
It would be much better for us to leave him there to rehabilitate, hopefully avoid a set back, avoid a January premium and show he's back to where he was and that it wasn't a purple patch last season. I assume it wasn't as LvG seems to know him well from NT days.
We should agree the deal in Jan and have him join in the summer, contingent on him passing his medical of course.
Eh if we can do the deal in January we should if he is a long term target. He can only help being around. We just shouldn't break the bank to make the deal happen in January over the summer.
IF he's fully fit and just lacking match sharpness I can see the point in buying him in January, it means over the next 6 months he can get acclimated to the club, the country and the league, ready to start full on next season when we hopefully can mount a PL challenge. As opposed to him coming in, in the summer and starting from scratch.
This.
So Roma bought him for 17M Euros last season. He played 25 games and then had a major injury in March this year and has hardly played since coming back to fitness. Yet we want to buy/break the bank for him? Am I missing something?
Far more pressing concerns than signing another CM.
I'm perfectly happy to go with Van Gaal's judgment on this. He knows the guy far better than any of us on here.
I am not. He doesn't have a stellar record in the transfer market with other big clubs and wanted to sign Vermaelen and got Falcao with us. Spending 30m+ on Strootman so close to his comeback from a serious injury would be foolish.
Yet another in a long line of players who's reputation keeps on growing while not playing.
I'd rather keep Fellaini than sign this average crock.
I'd rather keep Fellaini than sign this average crock.
How is renting Falcao, one of the worlds best strikers in recent years, supposed to be a bad thing now?
Its Insanity.
Christ.
Due to the injury, mate. As evident from the fact that manager doesn't think he is capable of playing for more than 20 minutes 3 months after we rented him.
It's not a cheap rent either. 6m loan fees+exhorbitant wages.
Seeing as LvG would always want to play RvP, and had Rooney as captain, I don't think Falcao is LvG's signing. So are other newbies, with the exception of Blind.
His injury is unrelated to the one he suffered last year. The wages are obviously offset by the lack of a transfer fee.
How are they offset by the lack of transfer fee? Will he be available for free post his loan? If it works out, we will have to pay 44m pounds and give him a hefty pay packet. If it doesn't, then we have paid close to 15m for a crock.
I hope we don't buy him but instead keep him on a one year with an option for a second year like with Tevez.
Christ, he's definitely not.
But yes, let's sign another immobile midfielder because we clearly haven't got enough of them.
Strootman is definitely not an average crock. He was one of the best young midfielders in Europe prior to the injury - and along with De Rossi and Pjanic formed one third of a midfield that was almost as good as Juventus trio of Pirlo, Vidal, Pogba. He is extremely intelligent in terms of being acclimatized with Van Gaal's requirements of a midfielder and the tactical nuances of the game.
Also does one injury warrant a player being labelled as a crock ? The likes of Van Nistelrooy went on to have great careers after long spells of rehabilitation at PSV Eindhoven - something that delayed his transfer for United. Arjen Robben, one of the Top 5 players in the world right now, had a torrid time with injuries when he was young - including trouble with his ankle, calves, hamstring, knee - yet has bounced back to play 210 games for club and country in the last 5 seasons. Ditto Yaya Toure with his back injuries at Barcelona among others. I know we've been burnt before and that colors the judgement of a lot of people but unless you're privy to unknown individual information wrt Strootman's prognosis and long term health status, it's really unwarranted to call him an average crock who you'd rather have over Fellaini, a player who despite his recent good form (aside from Southampton) is far removed from the caliber of talent that Strootman is.
Also, Strootman is immobile ? That's definitely news to me. He might not be a burner but is much faster than most central midfielders. At Sparta Rotterdam he came to prominence as one of the most dynamic all-round young attacking midfielders before being converted for a box-to-box role at PSV. Infact, mobility can be termed as one of his biggest assets along with his discipline, engine, eye for a pass and general technical ability. I'm sorry, but it's the truth - you must have him confused with some another player because the descriptions just don't equate. Could we sign a better midfielder ? Sure. But let's not indict Strootman for something he isn't - in terms of calling him average or immobile or a crock.
No, if we're going to sign him and he's available in Jan we should sign him asap so he already settled in for the start of next season. This is what we did with Evra and Vidic and it paid off.
Agree, get him here in Jan with a view to him hitting the ground running next season.
He was never one of the best young midfielders in Europe. His form and quaiity has been well overplayed and for most of last season was used as a stick to beat Moyes with. That Belgian lad has come in and done even better in midfield than Strootman did. Injury has enhanced the reputation of yet another player it seems.
I'd rather avoid him. RVN did well but on the flipside Hargreaves and Anderson didn't. If he was in the top tier he might be worth the risk but he's not. He's no better than any of the CM's we have. In fact, Carrick and Herrera are better with Blind and Fellaini on the same level.
Yes, he's immobile. A mobile CM is someone like Herrera not fecking Strootman who lumbers forward as if he's carrying Anderson on his back.
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