Kevin Strootman

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Pretty much, cider.

I think it's been mentioned before, but I don't think we necessarily need a creative midfielder like Thiago or Fabregas. But rather, we need more steel and presence in there. We've the likes of Kagawa, Rooney, and van Persie to create chances in the final third.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Well, I'd be happy for the club to sign him because it means he's considered good enough. As I don't know as much as United's scouts, I'll side with them.
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Thats fare enough. But I'm sure you watch enough football to make your own judgement on players. We may not be scouts but i can tell you Stuart Downing is not a United level player.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
but bringing in two strong CM's in the Dutch and Belgian above would make for a suitably satisfying second prize.
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Yeah I'd not say no to that. Improvement over what we have had for a couple of years.
 
jakec said:
:lol: Strootman is much better then Cleverely.
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Can I ask what you've seen of him to make this statement? From what I've heard, it sounds like he is.

As Cider said, players divide opinion. There's far too many United fans for my liking who aren't keen on Welbeck or Cleverley, and if Strootman's better (in terms of what he'll bring to the squad/team) than those two, then we've made a good signing.

It does depend on the player's fit of course. At the moment, most people would agree we need a combative, box-to-box midfielder, and/or a creative, technical midfielder. I'm a big fan of Cleverley, and love his work rate, but what he brings to the England team isn't what he brings to the United team. He moves play forward quickly and precisely, with excellent movement off the ball. England on the other hand don't like players who know how to retain the ball.

Strootman at PSV might not be an outstanding footballer, but that's not to say he won't be a perfect fit in our side.
 
Kid Cunto said:
We've the likes of Kagawa, Rooney, and van Persie to create chances in the final third.
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For me, Kagawa is the key when people begin talking about Thiago and the like. I can't imagine them not getting in each others way and I don't think a midfield 3 of Kagawa, Thiago and Carrick would have near enough steel.

Put Strootman (or Cleverley, Fletcher, etc) next to Carrick, play Kagawa centrally every game and give him the keys.
 
Based on? He could be better than Cleverley, as Cleverley is just a good young midfielder. But er... If we're saying he is better than Cleverley we need something to base it on. Something like watching him even half as much as we've seen Cleverley.

Having said that the real question is, is he any worse than Anderson? Because Anderson is the one who would seem to have run out of time and needs replacing. And it would be a surprise if Strootman was worse...
 
I think some of us, myself included, overrate Cleverley a bit.

Read a fairly indepth comparison between him and Henderson the other day, there was very little in the difference. In fact, the comparison was slightly siding with Henderson considering he's been played out of position for large parts of the season.

So, I think it's fair to say Strootman would be an upgrade to Cleverley, although I'm unsure if Strootman would compliment Carrick as good as Cleverley does. Cleveley's pushing up the pitch allows for space for Carrick to utilise.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Why did they suspend betting on this when there is nothing concrete?
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Because people get carried away (See : This thread) and place bets based on rumours. When lots of people place bets, the odds shorten. People get carried away that the odds are shortening and place bets. The odds shorten again. People see that the odds suggest its absolutely nailed on and get excited, he's definitely coming

Meanwhile United may never have heard of him
 
forevrared said:
For me, Kagawa is the key when people begin talking about Thiago and the like. I can't imagine them not getting in each others way and I don't think a midfield 3 of Kagawa, Thiago and Carrick would have near enough steel.

Put Strootman (or Cleverley, Fletcher, etc) next to Carrick, play Kagawa centrally every game and give him the keys.
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So essentially we don't need a CM apart from for back up?

FWIW I agree with your sentiments about playing Carrick and Kagawa with a ball winner beside Carrick.
 
No. I don't really think Cleverley is good enough yet or Fletcher or Anderson is fit enough to start 40-50 games next to Carrick, but they're all we've got right now.

I do think Cleverley can grow into the type of player that could spell Carrick or operate next to him when need be, though.
 
I have only seen Strootman play a handful of times and have never been particularly impressed by him, I'm looking forward to taking a proper look at him during the Euro U21s. At the moment, were we to sign Strootman, I'd feel securing his signature would add needed depth to our midfield options. However, we'll need to do more than sign Strootman if we want to stand toe to toe with the likes of Bayern or Barcelona.
 
Ekeke said:
Because people get carried away (See : This thread) and place bets based on rumours. When lots of people place bets, the odds shorten. People get carried away that the odds are shortening and place bets. The odds shorten again. People see that the odds suggest its absolutely nailed on and get excited, he's definitely coming

Meanwhile United may never have heard of him
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It's also a case of the bookmakers suspending betting at even the first hint of any kind of confirmation; they stand to lose a lot of money if they inadvertently keep betting open on these kinds of markets in the event of anyone actually knowing that a transfer will certainly go ahead. It must be a nightmare for them trying to keep track of various Twitter ITK's etc. who themselves must often instigate a fair amount of betting. If the bookies get even a sniff of a rumour that a deal may be done then they'll react accordingly; the flipside of this being that they'll likely be raking it in considering all the bullshit going around from the ITk's. It's a delicate game of cat an mouse for the bookmakers, and the very reason why I believe them to be behind many of these countless bollocks ITK's you get knocking around Twitter making mugs out of muppets.
 
#07 said:
I have only seen Strootman play a handful of times and have never been particularly impressed by him, I'm looking forward to taking a proper look at him during the Euro U21s. At the moment, were we to sign Strootman, I'd feel securing his signature would add needed depth to our midfield options. However, we'll need to do more than sign Strootman if we want to stand toe to toe with the likes of Bayern or Barcelona.
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I agree with this post. We need more depth for sure. Strootman would provide that; but I doubt he's going to propel us to the next level. It seems likely he would provide us with excellent cover for Carrick too, which is much needed. To give us that game changing, controlling Robson or Scholes type CM we all so crave is going to require pushing the boat out for a Fabregas, Modric or Thiago IMO.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
It's also a case of the bookmakers suspending betting at even the first hint of any kind of confirmation; they stand to lose a lot of money if they inadvertently keep betting open on these kinds of markets in the event of anyone actually knowing that a transfer will certainly go ahead. It must be a nightmare for them trying to keep track of various Twitter ITK's etc. who themselves must often instigate a fair amount of betting. If the bookies get even a sniff of a rumour that a deal may be done then they'll react accordingly; the flipside of this being that they'll likely be raking it in considering all the bullshit going around from the ITk's. It's a delicate game of cat an mouse for the bookmakers, and the very reason why I believe them to be behind many of these countless bollocks ITK's you get knocking around Twitter making mugs out of muppets.
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Decent theory. Discussed the bookies odds countless times on other forums and it amazes me the number of people who do not have a clue that hte bookies first job is not to be a predictor of events but to make money no matter what the outcome.

Was talking to one guy who claimed to have worked for one of the online bookies and he said that this time of year is actually a very slow period for them compared to football season. That they only see a small fraction of the money being bet on transfers that they see on games. Which of course makes absolute sense. Because of this their margins at this time are very small so they have to really stay on top of manipulating the odds to make sure they make a profit.
 
jakec said:
:lol: Strootman is much better then Cleverely.
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I'm not sure about that, jake. Cleverley just need to be consistent for 90 min., and a bit more aggresive an better at defending. We really have a raw gem in Cleverley.
 
Isotope said:
I'm not sure about that, jake. Cleverley just need to be consistent for 90 min., and a bit more aggresive an better at defending. We really have a raw gem in Cleverley.
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Yes, but at the end of the day he's still not there yet.
 
Ekeke said:
Because people get carried away (See : This thread) and place bets based on rumours. When lots of people place bets, the odds shorten. People get carried away that the odds are shortening and place bets. The odds shorten again. People see that the odds suggest its absolutely nailed on and get excited, he's definitely coming

Meanwhile United may never have heard of him
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:rolleyes: He has been watched by Martin Ferguson on numerous occasions
 
I have just been sent this on Facebook.

KEVIN STROOTMAN TO BECOME DAVID MOYES' FIRST MANCHESTER UNITED SIGNING.

DAVID MOYES will make £10m Dutch international Kevin Strootman his first signing as Manchester United boss, according to sources in Holland.

Moyes chased PSV midfielder Strootman, 23, while he was at Everton.
He requested detailed scouting reports on the Holland star and was keen to sign him on at Goodison Park.

And now, months later, he's finally got his man - at Old Trafford. The new United boss wants Strootman to come in and replace Paul Scholes, who hung up his boots at the end of the season.

Strootman helped PSV finish as runners-up in the Dutch Eredivisie, playing 35 times and netting six goals along the way.

The 6ft 1ins man is built for the Premier League and has already notched up 18 caps for his national side.
 
Urgh, such lazy journalism. I hate it when they say "to replace a player". How the feck can you replace Paul Scholes?

If the fee is 10m, that's a very good deal for us.
 
His value has dropped from £20m to £10m, i guess they think he is going to Everton.
 
http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/premier-league/25734-united-target-strootman-not-ready-for-pl.php

A leading Dutch football expert and agent believes that Kevin Strootman will have questions to answer should he make the move to Manchester United.

The 23-year-old is expected to sign with the Red Devils from PSV Eindhoven in the near future as new United boss David Moyes’ first coup at Old Trafford.

Former PSV coach Dick Advocaat has told the midfielder to move on from the Dutch club to further his career and called him a “fantastic player”.

Magnus Magnusson, who represents numerous players in the Eredivisie, thinks that Strootman has all the physical attributes to be a success in England but questions whether he has scored enough goals in his time with PSV.

He told SportsDirect News: “I’ve seen him play many times this season, I spend a lot of time in the Netherlands because of the players I already have there. Strootman is not 19 years old, he’s 23, so he’s certainly not old but he is not a youngster anymore.

“He’s not small, he’s 1.86 metres (6ft 1") so physically he can cope in the Premier League and he has a fantastic left foot and great potential.

“But the main thing is PSV Eindhoven have scored 103 league goals this season and Strootman has got just five. So for me, he is not contributing enough goals to play at ‘number eight’.

“So his success will depend on where Manchester United see him fitting in, will he be a ‘number six’ or a ‘number eight’.

“This year PSV’s ‘number six’ has been Mark van Bommel so Strootman has been playing a more attacking role. But he has only scored five goals this season.”

He also thinks that the midfielder will need time to adjust to the demands of the Premier League but is not sure that he will be given that luxury should he be Moyes’ first signing at the Manchester club.

“His consistency also comes into question,” Magnusson continued. “At United he will have to perform week-in week-out because it will not be cheap for them to take him there.

“Sometimes in Holland, however, when he has been man-marked in games against the smaller clubs, he was outplayed and his effectiveness was nullified.

“What will Manchester United expect from him? He could be the first signing of the new David Moyes era, which is a big statement. So, will he be given time to settle in or will they expect instant success from him. I don’t think this is a guarantee.

“Also, he will be moving to a better league. He has been playing in the Eredivisie, which is not as high quality as the Premier League or the Bundesliga, of course. For example, Luuk de Jong moved from FC Twente (where he netted a goal every two games) to Borussia Monchengladbach in Germany last season and he hasn’t managed double figures this term.

“So, it will be a step up for Strootman. Can he handle this? Of course you never know before hand, be it is not a certainty that he will be a success.”
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We don't need goals, we need a capable midfielder. Getting him to Old Trafford early should help him bed in. Having a pre season with the lads will be important.
 
He'd probably settle in pretty quickly having Buttner and RvP here I reckon. Those two seem quite pally with each other. I know next to nothing about this guy, but it's hard not to get excited about any potential midfield signings.
 
RedSky At Night said:
We don't need goals, we need a capable midfielder. Getting him to Old Trafford early should help him bed in. Having a pre season with the lads will be important.
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Bloody hell how did you get anything positive out of that assessment. He made him sound pretty frigging average. I'll save my judgement for this U'21's tournament.
 
RedSky At Night said:
We don't need goals, we need a capable midfielder. Getting him to Old Trafford early should help him bed in. Having a pre season with the lads will be important.
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yep, not really bothered by the fact that he only scored 5 goals...I mean if he was a striker with those figures fair enough, I'd look away immediately...but he's a midfielder, and more of a "Carrick" type than a "Cleverley/Anderson" one...so goals aren't really expected.

As long as he can read the game, pass the ball with precision and be solid on defense I say sign him up, the potential is there.

I just hope we get a deal or 2 done quickly...for both the muppet in me and the fact that the more time new signings spend at United before the season the better.
 
Well, personally i'm going to take the opinion of some unnamed Dutch guy ahead of the opinions of our scouts and say that if we sign him it'll be a mistake, because he's shit.
 
pocco said:
None of the Dutch experts that we've heard from seem too sure about this guy.
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Carrick was vastly underrated for years in the eyes of so called British 'experts'. So as the Neviller said, I think that I'll take the word of our scouts over some unnamed Dutch expert.
 
Shark22 said:
Carrick was vastly underrated for years in the eyes of so called British 'experts'. So as the Neviller said, I think that I'll take the word of our scouts over some unnamed Dutch expert.
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We had the privilege of watching Carrick at Spurs and West Ham. No ones has seen the Stroot.
 
Mainoldo said:
We had the privilege of watching Carrick at Spurs and West Ham. No ones has seen the Stroot.
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I assume those watching him closely enough to decide whether they should sign him or not will have though. It may not happen, but if it does it'll be because we've watched him and done our homework on him, so if our scouts reckon he can do a job here i'll trust that they're right.
 
The Neviller said:
I assume those watching him closely enough to decide whether they should sign him or not will have though. It may not happen, but if it does it'll be because we've watched him and done our homework on him, so if our scouts reckon he can do a job here i'll trust that they're right.
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I don't see your point. Our scout have deemed players like Tosic good enough in the past too. The whole point of the transfer forum is to gain other posters opinions on players. In the future we should all not judge any player United buy because they will all have been vetted by our scouts!!
 
I haven't watch Strootman play in enough games. However we are overrating the role he will be covering. What we need is someone who helps Carrick to do the dirty work while still be able to pass the ball accurately under pressure. We've got enough creative players upfront (RVP, Rooney, Kagawa etc) to create the chances and score the goals. If its true that Moyes is going for Strootman and Alcantara then he's a shrewd manager indeed. Both players are young, hungry for success and their fee is not over the top. The former will help in winning the ball (and has enough skill to pass the ball elegantly) while the latter will ignite our creativity spark. Our CM may be sorted for a fee of around 30-35m
 
Mainoldo said:
I don't see your point. Our scout have deemed players like Tosic good enough in the past too. The whole point of the transfer forum is to gain other posters opinions on players. In the future we should all not judge any player United buy because they will all have been vetted by our scouts!!
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I don't see the point in sitting here griping that a player sounds shit because some guy who isn't even named has written some dogshit piece for some rag newspaper. I know balls all about Strootman, therefore haven't commented on how good or how shit he may or may not be. I've simply said i'll trust that the scouts we have will have done their homework, so if we sign him it'll be because they've seen something they think they can work with, and i'll reserve judgement until i've watched him play a game.
 
Shinjisan said:
What is this 'six', 'eight' etc.?
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eight

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six

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I prefer the latter
 
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