He seems more defensively intelligent than Cleverley in terms of defensively reading the game and making interceptions. When I saw him playing alongside Van Bommel at PSV, he was forced to read the game and position himself well as VB was running around hacking people down (hard to believe, I know!)
Kevin Strootman
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Not least the club's scouting department!
Ahh Mark Van Bommel a man with obvious dirt on Sepp BlatterMake that three dutch posters, half the psv forums and my season ticket holding psv cousin who lives in Eindhoven. Take that.
It's quite difficult to find dutch articles praising Strootman the way goal.com and co have done.
It's all about Maher.
That doesn't necessarily.mean he isn't going to be a decent signing for us though, the type of player he is, he could do a job for us.
He had an abysmal second half of the season btw, seeing how reactive the usual caf muppet is, I doubt they have followed him much, because his bad form over the past five months would have put them off... Instead they have read a few articles and are naming him in their top three dream signing list lawlzies.
Roaming psvnetwerk.to, I see they would be over the moon if he could fetch 20 million euros, but they do not believe they could get that for him seeing as he is encountering a few stutters in his development and has been horrendous lately. They underestimate the power of the internet, he has become a superstar on here.
Thats a fair good few points Cider. Hear, sure we'll see how it goes - if it happens. Keano wasnt the finished article when he came to us, so i'm not too concerned about it. We'll always find a way!
My stance on him:
Few took a dislike of him, by that description above. And I can understand why some dutch posters (and who watched Eredivise regularly) don't really rate him. I agreed he's not an immediate answer to our midfield problem, compare to the like of Wilshere, Fabregas, etc.; but for the quoted price (15m), I think he's worth a shot as a long-term project.
Few took a dislike of him, by that description above. And I can understand why some dutch posters (and who watched Eredivise regularly) don't really rate him. I agreed he's not an immediate answer to our midfield problem, compare to the like of Wilshere, Fabregas, etc.; but for the quoted price (15m), I think he's worth a shot as a long-term project.
What a Dick!
You've hit the nail on the head here; half the PSV forums would happily take £20m for Strootman. The other half aren't so sure though.
Those who would take the cash for him, they don't want to see him leave because they think he's a poor player; the simple fact is that £20m is a very large sum to pay for anybody in the Eredivisie, especially so a defensive midfielder. PSV could buy a whole new defense with that money, and many believe that, however good Strootman has been for them, they sorely need three or four new players and that if his sale would fund that then it's the right direction to go in.
Others seem to believe that the club would be getting something of a raw deal at that price though. The £12m sale of Vertonghen last year from Ajax to Spurs in his final year of contract seems to be a benchmark oft cited; they see Strootman as a player of far more value than Vertonghen, and the PSV captain has three years to run before he can leave for free. Some believe £23-28m then would be an attainable figure in this case.
Then there are those who believe the club should hold onto Strootman until next summer, by which time he'll have competed in the 2014 World Cup finals in Brazil. It's generally accepted that the player's recent run of poor form is little more than a blip in the development of a genuine star of Dutch football; many see him doing very well at the next major international tournament, by which point any fee commanded will exceed that being talked about at the current time.
As previously stated then, Strootman is neatly dividing opinion all over. It's certainly not unusual for a player to divide opinion on a football forum though; take a look at our very own Manchester United forum for examples of pretty much every one of our players dividing opinion. The impression from the PSV forums is that Strootman is clearly very talented and valuable to them, but that £20m would nevertheless be very difficult to turn down for any player in the Eredivisie. Some believe the club should snatch United's hands off if such an offer were made, whilst others are urging caution, believing that they might be selling themselves somewhat short in the circumstances. They seem resigned to his leaving the club and have been for quite a while; the leading cause of debate now is 'At what time, how much for, and who are his replacements?'
The real question is do we need another working process for the centre of our midfield? We already have Cleverely. Rather have someone with a more developed game.
Strootman is much better then Cleverely.We're allowed to buy more than one midfielder.
I know but if its him and say a Thiago.. Its still the same thing.
We need 2 of the same thing, Fergie preferred 4 strikers when he could.
I don't get you? We have RvP and Rooney. At the minute for the centre we have Carrick. I would hope we would be looking for another midfielder of the same level.
We have Rooney, RVP, Hernandez and Wellbeck as our 4 strikers. We need 4 because we cant play 2 of them for every game, they need a break and we need quality to cover.
Nothing wrong in having someone like Thiago but also having someone like Strootman if they are the same like you say. We need more than just 2 central midfielders to last a season. To win trophies teams need big squads
Nothing wrong in having someone like Thiago but also having someone like Strootman if they are the same like you say. We need more than just 2 central midfielders to last a season. To win trophies teams need big squads
Look we are not Real Madrid. We are just not going to go out and splash ridiculous amounts of money every summer and buy world class players in every position. We will buy more players like Strootman and Thiago. We nurture and turn them into stars. Whats wrong with the duo? They are 23 and 22 respectively. They have their whole careers in front of them. The only way for these two is forward. So Im happy that when they will be entering their peak years, it will be with us if we get them that is.
Chill out. There's just better players out there than Strootman who we could be nurturing.. Let him go AC Milan and develop there. We might not be Madrid but we're not this current Arsenal either.
Good argument.
Strootman is stronger, a better passer, a better tackler, much better positioning, is the captain of a team that competes for honors, vice captain of his country, and has played almost every game for 3 seasons.
He's a much better player then Tom.
There arent any Carrick/Carrick+ level midfielders on the market.
Good argument? There was hardly much to respond on was they? Enough of this vice captain of his country bollocks.. How many games has Cleverley missed for England when fit? So from the outside looking In Cleverley is a first team international player... And Strootman is not a better passer than Cleverley who in my opinion would stroll the Dutch league with his ability.
Cleverely hasn't been that great for us has he? He's a good player, but is a class below Strootman.
So why are you so skeptical about Strootman? The staff have obviously done their homework and they feel he will be a good fit here.
He's better technically than Strootman. He does have alot to work on in terms of positioning however to right him off is a bit harsh. He just ran out of steam at te end of the year but remember he is playing at a far higher level than Strootman currently.
Why did they suspend betting on this when there is nothing concrete?
I don't think we have even made a bid for him, much less him being on the way to United
But if he's similiar to Michael Carrick, why not? 2 Carricks in the same team ain't a bad thing. And if he's vice captain of the Dutch national team, surely he's already a regular in there?
But if he's similiar to Michael Carrick, why not? 2 Carricks in the same team ain't a bad thing. And if he's vice captain of the Dutch national team, surely he's already a regular in there?
I'm not writing him off at all man. I think he's a good player, I've seen Strootman maybe three times, twice internationally. I think he's a great player
How many times have you seen The Stroot play? I only ask, because I don't think i've ever seen him play at all, and so have no level of comparison with T Clev.
Edit: Ignore that. Typically, you said how many times you'd watched him right as I posted to ask.
I have no opinion on him as a player but how is it obvious given we've not signed him and there is no credible news source suggesting we will..
Am I missing something?
I meant in the case that if we do sign him, then obviously its because the staff would have scouted him extensively.
The odds were slashed mate. That means the club will announce it at any second now.........
It is 20 million euros, not pounds.
But good post, we shall see, there have been worse players that turned out to be great buys. It's not even sure we are interested, so it might be a moot point we are discussing.
He isn't very very talented though and you can sense that from the type of praise he is getting, stuff like "he is great because he knows his qualities" (and his limits).
You speak dutch then?
http://psv.netwerk.to/forums/HTML/forum7/1438-58.php
Strootman thread of one of the better/bigger psv forums. Nearly every post mentions the 20 million euros target and how they don't believe any club is crazy enough to pay that... most seem not unwilling to see him go, it's about the money to them.
One example:
"Ik denk *** PSV in de handjes mag knijpen bij een bod richting de 15 miljoen. Ik zie het niet komen, iig niet deze zomer."
"I think PSV can be very happy if we get an offer in the region of 15 million (we talk euros here). I don't see it being offered, not this summer".
"Nee Tinus, *** is niet kortzichtig. Iedere TD in NL zet liever nu dan 5 seconden later een krabbel voor 20 miljoen euro. *** zou krankzinnig hoog bedrag zijn *** PSV never en nooit niet mag laten schieten.
Edit: voor de goede orde, ik geloof er geen donder van, al die transfergeruchten rond Strootman."
"No Tinus, that's not shortsighted. Every Technical Director in Holland would rather now than 5 seconds later, sanction the sale at 20 million euros. That would be a stupendously high amount which PSV must not pass up on.
EDIT: just to be clear, I don't believe the rumors around Strootman."
I watch the Dutch league, well I follow the games of FC Twente (lived in Enschede all my educational life, school was next to the old stadium and we used to run rings around it during gym classes ), PSV and AJAX.
So enough times to form my own opinion of him.
What's so funny about my remark that we might not even be in for him?
Strootman thread of one of the better/bigger psv forums. Nearly every post mentions the 20 million euros target and how they don't believe any club is crazy enough to pay that... most seem not unwilling to see him go, it's about the money to them.
One example:
"Ik denk *** PSV in de handjes mag knijpen bij een bod richting de 15 miljoen. Ik zie het niet komen, iig niet deze zomer."
"I think PSV can be very happy if we get an offer in the region of 15 million (we talk euros here). I don't see it being offered, not this summer".
"Nee Tinus, *** is niet kortzichtig. Iedere TD in NL zet liever nu dan 5 seconden later een krabbel voor 20 miljoen euro. *** zou krankzinnig hoog bedrag zijn *** PSV never en nooit niet mag laten schieten.
Edit: voor de goede orde, ik geloof er geen donder van, al die transfergeruchten rond Strootman."
"No Tinus, that's not shortsighted. Every Technical Director in Holland would rather now than 5 seconds later, sanction the sale at 20 million euros. That would be a stupendously high amount which PSV must not pass up on.
EDIT: just to be clear, I don't believe the rumors around Strootman."
And how many times have you seen him play for you to say "he isnt very very talented"?
I watch the Dutch league, well I follow the games of FC Twente (lived in Enschede all my educational life, school was next to the old stadium and we used to run rings around it during gym classes
), PSV and AJAX. So enough times to form my own opinion of him.
What's so funny about my remark that we might not even be in for him?
If he's deemed good enough, the club will go for him. If not, they won't.
It's all well and good having posters going back and forward in this thread, some claiming to have seen more of him than others but the only opinion that matters is Manchester United's really.
It's all well and good having posters going back and forward in this thread, some claiming to have seen more of him than others but the only opinion that matters is Manchester United's really.
We deemed Djemba x2 good enough too. Thats really not the point of the threads is it.. If that was the case why bother discussing any player. This is all about views.
Well, I'd be happy for the club to sign him because it means he's considered good enough. As I don't know as much as United's scouts, I'll side with them.
Personally I think a CM selection of Strootman, Fellaini, Carrick and Cleverley would improve us massively next season; we'd be absolutely solid in comparison to previous years. Signing Tiago or Fabregas would make me feel epic, but bringing in two strong CM's in the Dutch and Belgian above would make for a suitably satisfying second prize.
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