Kevin De Bruyne

Crazy that you still put yourself in a list with Barca and Real as a proposition for the top players right now, when you’ve looked a fraction of the team from those since 12/13 - the entire 5 years since Fergie left.

Pogba to United
Di Maria to United
Falcao to United
De Gea contract extension

All the above are/were top players and chose United. Pogba and De Gea have both snubbed Madrid.

If United aren't a proposition in England anymore then no one is. The only thing that sometimes plays a part is London over Manchester.
 
Matic left the EPL champions for us just last summer, Lukaku turned down said champions to join us as well.
Barca approached Bailly just before we signed him.
 
Pogba to United
Di Maria to United
Falcao to United
De Gea contract extension

All the above are/were top players and chose United. Pogba and De Gea have both snubbed Madrid.

If United aren't a proposition in England anymore then no one is. The only thing that sometimes plays a part is London over Manchester.
Di María sold by Madrid and Falcao on loan from Monaco, not forgetting he went to Chelsea the year after as well. If Madrid had stumped up the cash for De Gea he would have walked as well. The fact that they are your best examples only backs up my point. Absolutely none of this shows that United can compete with Barca and Madrid for the top talent RIGHT NOW.

They’re a more attractive proposition than you full stop. No shame in it either. Bizarre that you’re trying to argue it; those two compete for everything and you’ve been fighting just to get a CL space for nearly 5 years now.
 
Di María sold by Madrid and Falcao on loan from Monaco, not forgetting he went to Chelsea the year after as well. If Madrid had stumped up the cash for De Gea he would have walked as well. The fact that they are your best examples only backs up my point. Absolutely none of this shows that United can compete with Barca and Madrid for the top talent RIGHT NOW.

They’re a more attractive proposition than you full stop. No shame in it either. Bizarre that you’re trying to argue it; those two compete for everything and you’ve been fighting just to get a CL space for nearly 5 years now.

I'm not sure what you're arguing about? Madrid wanted Pogba and De Gea but they picked United. If they are not RIGHT NOW talents then not sure who is..

United are still the number one attraction in England and the most successful club in the country. 5 years (of still winning trophies I might add) doesn't change that.

Madrid and Barca are always premium level. Nothing has changed in that regard, but for anyone who wants to play in England United will always be the number one destination 9 times out of 10.
 
You could perhaps perform a hypothesis based on what you read in the media, but nothing more than that if we're being honest with ourselves. Speculation, conjecture, bullshit. It's what we football fans do. I genuinely believe that KDB, given the opportunity to do so, will/would leave for Madrid. Just my opinion of which you unsurprisingly disagree with.

Like I disagree with your bizzare opinion that a square headed ginger would be the face of every club in the country. That he bares a striking resemblance to that of Shrek only adds weight to my disagreement.

What a load of rubbish. There is more to suggest that De Bruyne is happy to stay so what would would make you think it’s more likely he will leave? (Apart from the whole Madrid/Barca player boogeyman everytime a player improves a level) He’s at a team where he is an essential cog, a team that is cleary in the ascendancy. City looks on the verge of building something special and he is playing under who most people consider the best manager in the world. Not everyone dreams of going to Madrid or Barca which in this case is more wishful thinking more than anything else. City continuously winning is annoying, but it’s so petty to just hope and wish their best playersleave. United should just use them and the quality of their players as motivation to improve
 
I'm not sure what you're arguing about? Madrid wanted Pogba and De Gea but they picked United. If they are not RIGHT NOW talents then not sure who is..

United are still the number one attraction in England and the most successful club in the country. 5 years (of still winning trophies I might add) doesn't change that.

Madrid and Barca are always premium level. Nothing has changed in that regard, but for anyone who wants to play in England United will always be the number one destination 9 times out of 10.
Like I said at the very start let’s just agree to disagree. The principle of my opinion is simple, United right now don’t have the pull of a top table elite club like they used to. You suggested that De Bruyne would leave City in a heartbeat if United came in for him (alongside Barca and Madrid), and I fundamentally disagree. He’s got more chance of winning trophies at City then United and therefore he would stay. Let’s stop the circles.
 
Like I said at the very start let’s just agree to disagree. The principle of my opinion is simple, United right now don’t have the pull of a top table elite club like they used to. You suggested that De Bruyne would leave City in a heartbeat if United came in for him (alongside Barca and Madrid), and I fundamentally disagree. He’s got more chance of winning trophies at City then United and therefore he would stay. Let’s stop the circles.

Where did I suggest that about The Shermanator?

If you think City are closer to the attraction of Barca and Madrid than United then you're off your head and very premature. Try winning some stuff first.
 
Where did I suggest that about The Shermanator?

If you think City are closer to the attraction of Barca and Madrid than United then you're off your head and very premature. Try winning some stuff first.
Apologies, it wasn’t you. But that was the comment the entire discussion I was involved in has started from. I do think City are a better proposition for players than United right in this moment though, purely on the basis I think we’ll win more than you in the next 5 years. But I think both clubs are behind Barca and Real.

This is my last on the topic, the discussion is adding nothing to the forum now. I’ve got a view and many will disagree here, that’s fine.
 
This place has gone insane, better than Messi, better than Scholes :lol:

You could make a legit argument that he’s not even the best midfielder in his own team, that honour could go to David Silva but then again CAF is famous for hyperboles so carry on.
 
This place has gone insane, better than Messi, better than Scholes :lol:

You could make a legit argument that he’s not even the best midfielder in his own team, that honour could go to David Silva but then again CAF is famous for hyperboles so carry on.

He's an unbelievable player. Simple as that really.
 
Like I said at the very start let’s just agree to disagree. The principle of my opinion is simple, United right now don’t have the pull of a top table elite club like they used to. You suggested that De Bruyne would leave City in a heartbeat if United came in for him (alongside Barca and Madrid), and I fundamentally disagree. He’s got more chance of winning trophies at City then United and therefore he would stay. Let’s stop the circles.
Ermmm.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...fer-news/man-utd-transfer-news-pogba-14028471

Anyway back to KDB, great player but was called out for diving vs Spurs on Match of the day tonight.
 
I feel as if Barca/Madrid are overrated on these forums and people act as if they pluck top PL players regularly. The last 4 players they’ve signed have been from Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal. Top tier clubs like City, Chelsea, and United probably aren’t the type to negotiate with the Spanish giants in selling their best players. Add to that De Bruyne is playing under one of the best managers in the world at a top club with unlimited resources, I just can’t envision him leaving.
 
I feel as if Barca/Madrid are overrated on these forums and people act as if they pluck top PL players regularly. The last 4 players they’ve signed have been from Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal. Top tier clubs like City, Chelsea, and United probably aren’t the type to negotiate with the Spanish giants in selling their best players. Add to that De Bruyne is playing under one of the best managers in the world at a top club with unlimited resources, I just can’t envision him leaving.

It is just wishful thinking. People did the same with Aguero and still occasionally do it with Hazard.
 
This place has gone insane, better than Messi, better than Scholes :lol:

You could make a legit argument that he’s not even the best midfielder in his own team, that honour could go to David Silva but then again CAF is famous for hyperboles so carry on.

This is the same forum where many believed up until very recently (and many probably still do) that Mata is better than Coutinho and they'd rather have the former.
It's a pretty crackers forum tbf.
 
Don't see how. RM wouldn't compete on the City wage structure surely? As big as they are City can just throw 300k at him a week for shits and gigs.
Real pay their best players better than anything City have ever paid anyone. If they wanted de Bruyne, wages wouldn't be the problem at all. It'd be paying City enough to make it worth their while which is pretty much impossible unless de Bruyne raises a stink.
 
He’s a pretty fecking good player. The thing about both him and David Silva is that they add aggression and work rate to their Creative and technical play.

That's why Silva is very successful in England. He isn't that typical Spanish flair player, read it somewhere that he was always tenacious and aggressive during his teenage years. KDB was also that kind of player, with great technical ability they mix it really well with their amazing mental attributes.

Shame we didn't have Woody back then.
 
United are still the number one attraction in England and the most successful club in the country. 5 years (of still winning trophies I might add) doesn't change that.

Madrid and Barca are always premium level. Nothing has changed in that regard, but for anyone who wants to play in England United will always be the number one destination 9 times out of 10.

No one can take away United's history and it has been truly impressive a true dynasty, but it is important to note the factors of what makes a player be drawn to a club. In my eyes there are a lot of different factors. First it is important to note most top players especially in terms of upcoming are 20-24ish. To them 5 years ago was a long time ago some being only 15 when Fergie was still around. Not sure how much of a factor that history is to players. Now playing for a big club is and that history certainly increases you're clubs stature, but City has now entered that top tier as well and not sure if players care too much as long as it's top tier. Other factors I deem more important are:

Wages- think PSG is first cause they just don't care followed by City, United, Real, Barca all can give top wagesT
Trophy ability: In the short term believe perception is Real, Barcelona. Followed by City and PSG then Bayern and United. Not saying this cannot quick change for United, but under current perception.

Location we are in the same city, Real, Barca, and PSG all have more desirable locations.

Coaching/learning/ (facilities plays a small part) - Both Mourinho and Pep don't stick along for long, but multiple players have already said they came to City because of Pep. He definitely gives the advantage to City.

United is and still will be a top destination for players. The badge still is a huge draw, but think the appeal of City at this moment is just as high.
 
I didn't know De Gea sabotaged the fax machine :mad: do not want :devil:

(Yeah, de bruyne's not leaving anytime soon)
 
How come real or bar a haven't tried to snatch him away from city ?
how could anyone buy a City player, let alone De Bruyne? You're talking about the richest club in the world who can smash anyone for contracts. They wouldn't have a hope of landing him. Barcelona couldn't even get Coutinho off Liverpool for £120m!
 
Will probably leave with Pep after next season (when Pep's contract is up), why would he go before then? If City manage to win the Champions League this or next season he might be looking at the possibility of a Ballon D'or.
 
First time poster alert!

Apologies if this has been said already, but of all my time reading through the Caf I've not seen it mentioned. Are we letting that DeBruyne celebration slide?

Also, the City players singing 'Park the Bus, Park the bus Man United' seems to underline the fact that maybe Mourinho was right about them not being the most gracious of champions-elect?
 
He's an incredible player, absolutely ripped us apart tbh.

Also by some distance the best team we've faced so far this season. Shame we couldn't approach it with a full strength team but we had no answer for their attacking play at all.
 
how could anyone buy a City player, let alone De Bruyne? You're talking about the richest club in the world who can smash anyone for contracts. They wouldn't have a hope of landing him. Barcelona couldn't even get Coutinho off Liverpool for £120m!
Its not all about money though.
He could have a decent wage,play for a bigger club and live in sunny Spain.
 
Its not all about money though.
He could have a decent wage,play for a bigger club and live in sunny Spain.

But why would he leave? Some people have an obsession with trying to sell off players to 'bigger' clubs.

Not only is he I'm sure paid a huge wage and playing under a great manager with a high chance of winning trophies, I'm not sure the likes of PSG or City will be giving up any of their top players any time soon.
 
Like I said at the very start let’s just agree to disagree. The principle of my opinion is simple, United right now don’t have the pull of a top table elite club like they used to. You suggested that De Bruyne would leave City in a heartbeat if United came in for him (alongside Barca and Madrid), and I fundamentally disagree. He’s got more chance of winning trophies at City then United and therefore he would stay. Let’s stop the circles.

You're telling me that Manchester United, the global brand and sporting behemoth, with the largest fanbase on the planet reaching figures of 750million encounting, the most valuable football club in the world with an enterprise value extending beyond $3 billion, do NOT have the pull of an elite club? Ludicrous suggestion. Incorrent in every sense of the word. Misinformed and widely naive.

United are and always will be a huge attraction to any and all potential transfer targets. There are no exceptions. The only reason, the only reason that City can even compete with a giant like Man Utd is down to the Shiek and his cash injection. The club itself is not even in the top 10 largest fanbases in the world, not even in the country. I'd hazard a guess that Liverpool, Arsenal and even Chelsea share a larger global fanbase and a more extensive brand. City are barely at the races.

City is the Shiek, the Shiek is City - one and the same entity. Your club owes everything to one billionaire prince with a fetish for football.
 
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De bruyne is like what RVP was for us during the last title win. Doesn't matter who plays upfront for city he will make a chance for them,hell he is in such sublime form that he can play as a striker and will score. Although it doesn't help that even if you man mark him out of the game they still manage to score via some luck or through some other players.
His technique and game reading ability is absolutely amazing, he works well off the ball too. He is one and the only player in that city who i don't loath because he is such an astounding footballer .
 
You're telling me that Manchester United, the global brand and sporting behemoth, with the largest fanbase on the planet reaching figures of 750million encounting, the most valuable football club in the world with an enterprise value extending beyond $3 billion, do NOT have the pull of an elite club? Ludicrous suggestion. Incorrent in every sense of the word. Misinformed and widely naive.

United are and always will be a huge attraction to any and all potential transfer targets. There are no exceptions. The only reason, the only reason that City can even compete with a giant like Man Utd is down to the Shiek and his cash injection. The club itself is not even in the top 10 largest fanbases in the world, not even in the country. I'd hazard a guess that Liverpool, Arsenal and even Chelsea share a larger global fanbase and a more extensive brand. City are barely at the races.

City is the Shiek, the Shiek is City - one and the same entity. Your club owes everything to one billionaire prince with fetish for football.
No matter who they owe it to,they are on a high,although the reason for it is unlimited cash and one of the best managers in the world who has signed the players he wanted. I am not worried though,City will never dominate the league again like Pep did in his days in Spain and Germany. PL has far too many teams to let City dominate like that.
 
You're telling me that Manchester United, the global brand and sporting behemoth, with the largest fanbase on the planet reaching figures of 750million encounting, the most valuable football club in the world with an enterprise value extending beyond $3 billion, do NOT have the pull of an elite club? Ludicrous suggestion. Incorrent in every sense of the word. Misinformed and widely naive.

United are and always will be a huge attraction to any and all potential transfer targets. There are no exceptions. The only reason, the only reason that City can even compete with a giant like Man Utd is down to the Shiek and his cash injection. The club itself is not even in the top 10 largest fanbases in the world, not even in the country. I'd hazard a guess that Liverpool, Arsenal and even Chelsea share a larger global fanbase and a more extensive brand. City are barely at the races.

City is the Shiek, the Shiek is City - one and the same entity. Your club owes everything to one billionaire prince with a fetish for football.
You really think that many players are impressed with 'the largest fanbase on the planet, the most valuable football club in the world' ? City have not needed to outbid United in wages offers to persuade players to come to them for several years now, although we definitely did at first, paying a 'city premium' to get the top drawer players in when we first had the arab money

Most players are concerned either about factors where city & united are on an equal footing (Climate, language, which league, etc i.e. factors that are determined by which city the clubs is in), or the chance of winning trophies, or the manager, or the playing style. In that respect, since SAF left United, City have had he upper hand. Most players (since SAF left) will have perceived a greater chance of success at City than United when weighing up a potential move and as at today, still will. To think that for more than a tiny handful of players, that will be outweighed by the pull of United's history or fanbase is so far fetched I'm struggling to remain polite.

Of course we needed the cash injection to compete. But now we compete on the field. That's far more important to (the majority of) players. It will become more so with each passing year, as United's history is just that - history. Players by & large are interested in the now first, then the future, then the past. In that order.
 
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Apologies if this has been said already, but of all my time reading through the Caf I've not seen it mentioned. Are we letting that DeBruyne celebration slide?

Also, the City players singing 'Park the Bus, Park the bus Man United' seems to underline the fact that maybe Mourinho was right about them not being the most gracious of champions-elect?
His celebration was '21', for Silva, who was out for personal reasons
 
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Misinformed and widely naive.

I'd hazard a guess that Liverpool, Arsenal and even Chelsea share a larger global fanbase and a more extensive brand. City are barely at the races.

My brain is melting at you combining these sentence's. I'd say that "to hazard a guess" and then to draw conclusions from it is pretty much the epitome of misinformed. My professors at this point would be like "sources dude? Quantify that instead of making a guess"? They don't give points when you can't prove youre argument with extensive research and sources. I should call you out and say "prove it"..

I can counter the argument for city's abbilety to attract and keep quality players fairly easily i think trough observation. They havn't lost a top player in the last years that they wouldn't want to loose, they have managed to attract quality players with name.

Observingly, there is no denying that Manchester united is a bigger brand, better known from history, able to attract top players in their own right. City is on the rise, building name and brand quickly, it would be hard to quantify how much of a difference there still is in brand. To me there is not much point arguing over matters that can't be proven anyway and will lead to a back and forth shouting match of oppinions. From the observations i make of city their abbilety to attract and keep players, i see no other indication whatsoever to argue that they wouldn't be able to continue to do so, none that can be proven. Most of the arguments made here on this matter are very subjective and along team allegiance's with rivalry in mind. I guess you guys never put up the disclaimer that "its just banter", but there seems to be a a spirit of wanting to hurt the fans of the other team in it's morale more than there is wish for a reasonable and fundamented discussion, though admittingly there are plenty of more reasonable people here too it seems.

As to the money matter, i was most surprised seeing a rant from some barca guy on their own forums about city's rise trough investment, giving city the label "Shitty". One though wonders what the psychology must be of such a person to lash out against City when it's not even in their league, the most logical conclusion dictates that it's more about fear of the rise of city as a newcomer competing for the top spot against fanbases that logically would have always hoped they could maintain their position.
That is also simply the easiest explenation for the city fanbase to take regarding such criticism like the source of investments, it's simply a matter of fear for their stature and how city is looking to take over.

Honestly, if you think about it, why would city fans in any way be saddened by the fact that the club is owned by wealthy Arabs? They are jubelant about it rather than sad, obviously because it has delivered much better players for them, a very attractive style of footbal, and a position at the top of the league. City fans are gonna laugh all the way to the bank everytime that criticism is levied.
 
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You really think that many players are impressed with 'the largest fanbase on the planet, the most valuable football club in the world' ? City have not needed to outbid United in wages offers to persuade players to come to them for several years now, although we definitely did at first, paying a 'city premium' to get the top drawer players in when we first had the arab money

Of course players are impressed by a clubs fanbase. You forget that these players were once fans of the game themselves, they grew up on tales of our history and acomplishments. The very core of the club is inbedded in their systems, engrained in their DNA. You could visit literally any country on planet earth and you will hear the name of our club be spoken of in a positive light, regardless of the clubs current league position. That will never change. Such is the size, the magnitude, of a global behemoth like Manchester United. The affect this will have is everlasting. These lads crave to be a part of that history. I wouldn't say being the worlds richest club is a "pull" as such, rather it adds stabilty to the mind. A player knows fully well that when United calling for their services, the contract on offer will be considerable and substantial, in line with their ability. City will always need to outbid United in order to secure a signature both in terms of salary and the bid itself - anything less will see the player opt for United any day of the week.

Most players are concerned either about factors where city & united are on an equal footing (Climate, language, which league, etc i.e. factors that are determined by which city the clubs is in), or the chance of winning trophies, or the manager, or the playing style. In that respect, since SAF left United, City have had he upper hand. Most players (since SAF left) will have perceived a greater chance of success at City than United when weighing up a potential move and as at today, still will. To think that for more than a tiny handful of players, that will be outweighed by the pull of United's history or fanbase is so far fetched I'm struggling to remain polite.

Not all players value cash above their integrity and honour, some play for the love of the game. The mercenaries of the world, of which their are a great many unfortunately, will of course disregard history, honour and integrity in favour of cold hard cash. Such is the game in 2017. You talk of success is if it were guaranteed for your club, it isn't. You are yet to win anything significant, in fact Jose is leading the trophy race between himself and Pep. United are currently sitting second in the table in a league which is widely considered to be the most competitive in the world- we're not languishing at the bottom of the 3rd division as your post would imply. We're doing fine right now with a huge ceiling with which to improve. You may win the title come the end of the season, but I guarantee that given another summer transfer window with which to work his magic, Jose will have United challenging harder than ever the following season.

Of course we needed the cash injection to compete. But now we compete on the field. That's far more important to (the majority of) players. It will become more so with each passing year, as United's history is just that - history. Players by & large are interested in the now first, then the future, then the past. In that order.

Spoken like a true City fan, complete and utter disregard for a clubs history and what is infintely worse a players integrity. "it's all about the here and now" he says. Wrong. It's all about the here and now for the mercenaries who simply wish to be paid a handsome sum of money, for others not so much.
 
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My brain is melting at you combining these sentence's. I'd say that "to hazard a guess" and then to draw conclusions from it is pretty much the epitome of misinformed. My professors at this point would be like "sources dude? Quantify that instead of making a guess"? They don't give points when you can't prove youre argument with extensive research and sources. I should call you out and say "prove it"..

I can counter the argument for city's abbilety to attract and keep quality players fairly easily i think trough observation. They havn't lost a top player in the last years that they wouldn't want to loose, they have managed to attract quality players with name.

Observingly, there is no denying that Manchester united is a bigger brand, better known from history, able to attract top players in their own right. City is on the rise, building name and brand quickly, it would be hard to quantify how much of a difference there still is in brand. To me there is not much point arguing over matters that can't be proven anyway and will lead to a back and forth shouting match of oppinions. From the observations i make of city their abbilety to attract and keep players, i see no other indication whatsoever to argue that they wouldn't be able to continue to do so, none that can be proven. Most of the arguments made here on this matter are very subjective and along team allegiance's with rivalry in mind. I guess you guys never put up the disclaimer that "its just banter", but there seems to be a a spirit of wanting to hurt the fans of the other team in it's morale more than there is wish for a reasonable and fundamented discussion, though admittingly there are plenty of more reasonable people here too it seems.

As to the money matter, i was most surprised seeing a rant from some barca guy on their own forums about city's rise trough investment, giving city the label "Shitty". One though wonders what the psychology must be of such a person to lash out against City when it's not even in their league, the most logical conclusion dictates that it's more about fear of the rise of city as a newcomer competing for the top spot against fanbases that logically would have always hoped they could maintain their position.
That is also simply the easiest explenation for the city fanbase to take regarding such criticism like the source of investments, it's simply a matter of fear for their stature and how city is looking to take over.

Honestly, if you think about it, why would city fans in any way be saddened by the fact that the club is owned by wealthy Arabs? They are jubelant about it rather than sad, obviously because it has delivered much better players for them, a very attractive style of footbal, and a position at the top of the league. City fans are gonna laugh all the way to the bank everytime that criticism is levied.

I'd post the statistics right here were I able but the rules forbid this. In any case follow the link for evidence to support my claim. When I said hazard a guess, I should really have said "educated guess".

http://www.totalsportek.com/list/most-popular-football-clubs/

I will address the rest of your post in due course. Juggling these posts in between work hours is a little stressful I might add ;)
 
I'd post the statistics right here were I able but the rules forbid this. In any case follow the link for evidence to support my claim. When I said hazard a guess, I should really have said "educated guess".

http://www.totalsportek.com/list/most-popular-football-clubs/

I will address the rest of your post in due course. Juggling these posts in between work hours is a little stressful I might add ;)

Thats better, fairly interresting metrics. I had thought about shirt sales as a metric, but i must admit that from an economic p.o.v it also depends on the price of the shirt afcourse. I see that despite Barca has more facebook followers that it has but 1/10th of the shirt sales united has, i guess it has to do with either distribution or price. On the metric of facebook followers United isn't actually leading. In sponsorship deals they are, but again economics can play a role here as the UK is to be regarded as a better market than Spain. Thus facebook followers seem to be the better indication for me. The information on the page was a bit out of date and data for city wasn't provided, so to go into that it appears nowadays united has 73 million facebook followers compared to 28 million for city, a fair discrepency indeed.

As to what that means for the larger discussion, thats still to be discussed, if my 3 post a day limit will allow it atleast. :D
Though i would refrain from using words like "mercenary", it appears to me that from a linguistic p.o.v it's more a word used for the sake of denunciation than understanding, the more so because it's practicly impossible to tell how loyal a player will be other than to crawl into his mind. ;)
 
Thats better, fairly interresting metrics. I had thought about shirt sales as a metric, but i must admit that from an economic p.o.v it also depends on the price of the shirt afcourse. I see that despite Barca has more facebook followers that it has but 1/10th of the shirt sales united has, i guess it has to do with either distribution or price. On the metric of facebook followers United isn't actually leading. In sponsorship deals they are, but again economics can play a role here as the UK is to be regarded as a better market than Spain. Thus facebook followers seem to be the better indication for me. The information on the page was a bit out of date and data for city wasn't provided, so to go into that it appears nowadays united has 73 million facebook followers compared to 28 million for city, a fair discrepency indeed.

As to what that means for the larger discussion, thats still to be discussed, if my 3 post a day limit will allow it atleast. :D
Though i would refrain from using words like "mercenary", it appears to me that from a linguistic p.o.v it's more a word used for the sake of denunciation than understanding, the more so because it's practicly impossible to tell how loyal a player will be other than to crawl into his mind. ;)

Not necessarily true to be fair. Spain is still recovering from a deep recession, yet in spite of that fact the economy is growing exponentially. Significantly faster than the UK by comparison. They have also invested a substantial portion of their income in trade exports and foriegn relations. It's safe to say as a nation they are very much on the up. I personally wouldn't put much stock in Facebook, duplicate accounts and easily hacked polls tend to skew the votes somewhat. The primary indicator when it comes to measuring a fanbase in my opinion would be that of shirt sales. United and Real lead the race by a large margin here.

You won't be restricted for long ;)
 
Not necessarily true to be fair. Spain is still recovering from a deep recession, yet in spite of that fact the economy is growing exponentially. Significantly faster than the UK by comparison. They have also invested a substantial portion of their income in trade exports and foriegn relations. It's safe to say as a nation they are very much on the up. I personally wouldn't put much stock in Facebook, duplicate accounts and easily hacked polls tend to skew the votes somewhat. The primary indicator when it comes to measuring a fanbase in my opinion would be that of shirt sales. United and Real lead the race by a large margin here.

You won't be restricted for long ;)

Consumer power per head in the UK i presume is far higher, besides that there is simply also a lot more poppulation. I checked how that translate's in ticket prices, quite stunning result really, cheapest Barca season ticket is 88 pounds, the average for the cheapest season ticked in the championship would be 337 pounds .. omg. (source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...er-cent-premier-league-ticket-prices-reduced/)

At first glance shirt sales seemed a good metric, but then Barcelona is only selling 100.000 a year roughly in the source you provided, must be a typo because another source has it at 2 million where United would be selling 2.8 million. Sources actually vary quite a bit.

Eitherway, back to the original point, youre right when you say that city is still quite some distance away from competing in many of those metrics with the likes of United, Barca, Madrid, and even other top 5 English clubs. Then again, city's rise is also quite recent. Wether this all is so much an indication of how willing players would be to come or leave city is a different matter, when they were smaller it didn't matter to attract better players, and so far they havn't been loosing key players. It seems that money talks the most, as that alone was what allowed city to rise and compete with the top, in that respect they don't really have anythign to fear from the others i'd say.
 
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Apologies if this has been said already, but of all my time reading through the Caf I've not seen it mentioned. Are we letting that DeBruyne celebration slide?

Also, the City players singing 'Park the Bus, Park the bus Man United' seems to underline the fact that maybe Mourinho was right about them not being the most gracious of champions-elect?

The celebration was David Silva's number nothing to do with United whatsoever but yeah conspiracies and all that... Even if it wasn't I'm curious as to what you could do about it by not letting it slide?