Kevin De Bruyne

sebsheep said:
Most of them? He was only really poor in the Liverpool games. It's seems to be seen as the truth because people keep repeating it.
KDB was poor in both games against us in his first season and wasn't much good in the derby, his excellent game in the 2-1 at Old Trafford last season seems to have banished his bad ones from memory.
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And he wasn't great in many. Was he great against Chelsea at the bridge? You can choose to ignore the truth in favour of your imagination if you'd like, but Pogba hasn't yet excelled in the bigger games. Last season as a whole he was alright. This season he's been great when available but he's yet to have a complete season for us the way de Bruyne is having for City i.e great in general, bossing the big games, everything.

De Bruyne is tearing it up in all the big games this season. He along with City's midfield dominated us at old Trafford last season. He's clearly been better than Pogba who has at times for us struggled when there's a lack of time and space. There's really not much to debate on this until Pogba matches that.

I do think Pogba has more natural talent and potential but right now De Bruyne wins.
 
Random Task said:
That a square headed ginger is the face of the club speaks volumes in itself.

Footballers say a lot of things and the vast majorty of it should be taken with a pinch of salt. These lads are educated in the ways of Public Relations don't forget - he's hardly going to come out and say something like "I hate being an essentiall cog in our billionaire owners latest pet project. I Can't wait to leave for a proper football club whom harbour integrity and honour above all else"



How so?
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So we shouldn't regard anything they say then? Atleast it's something to go by, rather than speculating that he'd leave for "Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern Munich, Juventus, or even little old United" without even thinking twice as the OP said.

Also, that square headed ginger is best player in the league, he'd be the face for all the clubs in the country. You don't need to have your own underwear brand or have 4 hairstyles in a week to be one you know.
 
BlueSingh said:
So we shouldn't regard anything they say then? Atleast it's something to go by, rather than speculating that he'd leave for "Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern Munich, Juventus, or even little old United" without even thinking twice as the OP said.

Also, that square headed ginger is best player in the league, he'd be the face for all the clubs in the country. You don't need to have your own underwear brand or have 4 hairstyles in a week to be one you know.
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You could perhaps perform a hypothesis based on what you read in the media, but nothing more than that if we're being honest with ourselves. Speculation, conjecture, bullshit. It's what we football fans do. I genuinely believe that KDB, given the opportunity to do so, will/would leave for Madrid. Just my opinion of which you unsurprisingly disagree with.

Like I disagree with your bizzare opinion that a square headed ginger would be the face of every club in the country. That he bares a striking resemblance to that of Shrek only adds weight to my disagreement.
 
Random Task said:
You could perhaps perform a hypothesis based on what you read in the media, but nothing more than that if we're being honest with ourselves. Speculation, conjecture, bullshit. It's what we football fans do. I genuinely believe that KDB, given the opportunity to do so, will/would leave for Madrid. Just my opinion or which you unsurprisingly disagree with.

Like I disagree with your bizzare opinion that a square headed ginger would be the face of every club in the country. That he bares a striking resemblance to that of Shrek only adds weight to my disagreement.
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My disagreement is backed by the business the club has done since the take over, yours is backed by wishful thinking. Obviously you're entitled to the opinion though.

And talking of shrek, wasn't yours shrek himself at one point in the past. When's the new one coming btw?
 
BlueSingh said:
My disagreement is backed by the business the club has done since the take over, yours is backed by wishful thinking. Obviously you're entitled to the opinion though.

And talking of shrek, wasn't yours shrek himself at one point in the past. When's the new one coming btw?
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When we sign KDB in the summer.
 
Manchester Dan said:
Because De Bruyne has been much better. The stand out player in the league. I’d say Salah is having a bigger impact than Pogba too, for now.
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It's impossible to argue the fact that, in terms of impact at least, KDB is far ahead of all pretenders at this stage in precedings. Still, the season is barely halfway through. Many roads to travel as of yet.

I would say that Pogba, in terms influence on his team, is miles ahead. It would be interesting to see how either player would perform if they played for the opposite team. I feel Pogba would perform to an increasingly high stand irrespective of where he plays his football and for whom. KDB I'm unsure about in that regard.
 
Random Task said:
It's impossible to argue the fact that, in terms of impact at least, KDB is far ahead of all pretenders at this stage in precedings. Still, the season is barely halfway through. Many roads to travel as of yet.

I would say that Pogba, in terms influence on his team, is miles ahead. It would be interesting to see how either player would perform if they played for the opposite team. I feel Pogba would perform to an increasingly high stand irrespective of where he plays his football and for whom. KDB I'm unsure about in that regard.
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Well the very initial comment simply stated that KDB is currently the best player in the PL, which I still don’t think is in question right now, regardless of how much of an impact Pogba has on United.

Focusing purely on impact though, KDB is at the heart of this City side which is currently playing football that some seem to be saying is currently the best in Europe. United are effective because of defensive stability, which has very little to do with Pogba because that’s not really his game, while City are offensively excellent, largely because of KDB. This fact alone you can argue makes KDB even more important to City’s game plan than Pogba to Uniteds, simply because you don’t play to his strengths.
 
Manchester Dan said:
Well the very initial comment simply stated that KDB is currently the best player in the PL, which I still don’t think is in question right now, regardless of how much of an impact Pogba has on United.

Focusing purely on impact though, KDB is at the heart of this City side which is currently playing football that some seem to be saying is currently the best in Europe. United are effective because of defensive stability, which has very little to do with Pogba because that’s not really his game, while City are offensively excellent, largely because of KDB. This fact alone you can argue makes KDB even more important to City’s game plan than Pogba to Uniteds, simply because you don’t play to his strengths.
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I think Silva and the front three (whoever plays CF) have a massive say in this as well. The quality of their buildup play is also something that contributes to creating a great basis for the individuals to shine offensively. I think the point is: To a certain extent, players like Pogba, Hazard, Sanchez have to shoulder things individually that City achieves collectively. But as I said before, I totally agree that De Bruyne is incredible, and the best PL player so far.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
And he wasn't great in many. Was he great against Chelsea at the bridge? You can choose to ignore the truth in favour of your imagination if you'd like, but Pogba hasn't yet excelled in the bigger games. Last season as a whole he was alright. This season he's been great when available but he's yet to have a complete season for us the way de Bruyne is having for City i.e great in general, bossing the big games, everything.

De Bruyne is tearing it up in all the big games this season. He along with City's midfield dominated us at old Trafford last season. He's clearly been better than Pogba who has at times for us struggled when there's a lack of time and space. There's really not much to debate on this until Pogba matches that.

I do think Pogba has more natural talent and potential but right now De Bruyne wins.
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He had an alright game at the bridge, We were 1-0 down straight away and 2-0 just as we were getting into the game and then got caught out for the last 2. Our general play in the game was pretty decent. He was very good against both Arsenal and Spurs, and the only play who could even control the ball in the 2-1 loss to City. The disaster game against Liverpool aside, he wasn't great in the other games because we tended to completely cut out the midfield with long aimless balls.

You're cherry picking KDB's games throughout his time at City though, he's not been brilliant in every big game. He wasn't even good against us last weekend, I was watching the match with a City supporting friend and he was getting annoyed by his sloppiness. KDB was also very good in the first half of last season and poor for the majority of the second half. Pogba was much more consistent than him last season, he dipped for a few weeks and had some bad games but overall he was very good.
 
He is easily the best player in the PL. In fact I'd wager that if we or Chelsea had KDB one of us would be in first place now, and not City.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Alright, I'll indulge you, just for a moment.

How easy was it to prise RvP away from Arsenal? An actual proper football team with history and success? And Matic, from Chelsea, fresh from winning the league?

Do you think KdB dreamt of playing for City?

I doubt he would think twice if he was offered the opportunity of moving to Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern Munich, Juventus, or even little old United. It would just be a question of agreeing a, considerable, transfer fee.
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Without having to explain why, the circumstances behind those are so different that it renders the analogy useless and simplistic.

Plus if for some weird reason he actually wants to move, you think United would be his only and most attractive offer/destination?
 
Sassy Colin said:
Alright, I'll indulge you, just for a moment.

How easy was it to prise RvP away from Arsenal? An actual proper football team with history and success? And Matic, from Chelsea, fresh from winning the league?

Do you think KdB dreamt of playing for City?

I doubt he would think twice if he was offered the opportunity of moving to Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern Munich, Juventus, or even little old United. It would just be a question of agreeing a, considerable, transfer fee.
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You think De Bruyne would leave City for United right now? Genuinely? Crazy that you still put yourself in a list with Barca and Real as a proposition for the top players right now, when you’ve looked a fraction of the team from those since 12/13 - the entire 5 years since Fergie left.
 
Manchester Dan said:
You think De Bruyne would leave City for United right now? Genuinely? Crazy that you still put yourself in a list with Barca and Real as a proposition for the top players right now, when you’ve looked a fraction of the team from those since 12/13 - the entire 5 years since Fergie left.
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Pogba just came out and turned Madrid down for United.. Ermmmmmm
 
TheReligion said:
Pogba just came out and turned Madrid down for United.. Ermmmmmm
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RM didn't want to pay that kind of money for him when they have Modric/Kroos. I don't remember reading about Pogba turning down RM at all. Even if he did turn them down, he is a different case because Pogba was from the academy.

You are in denial if you don't think best players would prefer RM/Barca. Location, weather, chances of winning trophies, better wages when it comes to top players, etc...
 
DelPotro said:
RM didn't want to pay that kind of money for him when they have Modric/Kroos. I don't remember reading about Pogba turning down RM at all. Even if he did turn them down, he is a different case because Pogba was from the academy.

You are in denial if you don't think best players would prefer RM/Barca. Location, weather, chances of winning trophies, better wages when it comes to top players, etc...
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...fer-news/man-utd-transfer-news-pogba-14028471

There you go. Quotes and all. Came out a few days ago. He turned down Madrid to go to United.

@Manchester Dan FYI
 
BlueSingh said:
never then? ahh shucks!
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KDB auditioning for the lead role in the real life version of the movie Shrek.
 
TheReligion said:
Pogba just came out and turned Madrid down for United.. Ermmmmmm
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An exception, not the rule, for all the reasons @DelPotro just mentioned.

United aren’t in the same bracket as Real or Barca when it comes to attracting top talent right now, you might get the odd one, just like any club might, but in general you’re miles off. There’s nothing you can say that would change my view, so we can agree to disagree.
 
Random Task said:
It's impossible to argue the fact that, in terms of impact at least, KDB is far ahead of all pretenders at this stage in precedings. Still, the season is barely halfway through. Many roads to travel as of yet.

I would say that Pogba, in terms influence on his team, is miles ahead. It would be interesting to see how either player would perform if they played for the opposite team. I feel Pogba would perform to an increasingly high stand irrespective of where he plays his football and for whom. KDB I'm unsure about in that regard.
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KdB performed at a high level at Bremen and Wolfsburg too. In fact, his 14/15 season for Wolfsburg was immense, he contributed to 30 goals that season in the Bundesliga: 10 goals and 20 assists.
 
SwansonsTache said:
He would probably move to RM and Barca, but not PSG or Bayern.
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Don't see how. RM wouldn't compete on the City wage structure surely? As big as they are City can just throw 300k at him a week for shits and gigs.
 
VP89 said:
Don't see how. RM wouldn't compete on the City wage structure surely? As big as they are City can just throw 300k at him a week for shits and gigs.
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So can we for that matter. It's more to do with the fact that City have Guardiola now, they've mostly managed to keep their stars happy over the years, and more importantly the ownership can just keep players on couch for years on principle
 
Manchester Dan said:
You think De Bruyne would leave City for United right now? Genuinely? Crazy that you still put yourself in a list with Barca and Real as a proposition for the top players right now, when you’ve looked a fraction of the team from those since 12/13 - the entire 5 years since Fergie left.
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He looks to be enjoying himself at City and knows he will be the one they will build their team around. He has also grown to have a healthy dislike of ourselves due to Mourinho, and loves scoring against us and gloating afterwards. So scratch our name off any transfer list. I can unfortunately see this guy being a mainstay at City for quite awhile.
 
Manchester Dan said:
You think De Bruyne would leave City for United right now? Genuinely? Crazy that you still put yourself in a list with Barca and Real as a proposition for the top players right now, when you’ve looked a fraction of the team from those since 12/13 - the entire 5 years since Fergie left.
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I agree with this. People need to take off their red tinted spectacles. Barca, Madrid, PSG, Bayern - even City because of Pep, their football and money are in a better position to attract top talent than us.
 
Hes going nowhere, clubs at the top of the financial chain dont make it a habit of losing their best players when they dont want to. In the past 10 years probably only Cristiano Ronaldo and Neymar have made the switch between such clubs. You wont see us, Chelsea, City, Bayern, PSG, Barca and Madrid making such moves a habit.
 
RooneyLegend said:
Hes going nowhere, clubs at the top of the financial chain dont make it a habit of losing their best players when they dont want to. In the past 10 years probably only Cristiano Ronaldo and Neymar have made the switch between such clubs. You wont see us, Chelsea, City, Bayern, PSG, Barca and Madrid making such moves a habit.
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All of those clubs bar the Sheik-owned would if the player wants it bad enough and the offer is big enough. It just doesn't make sense to keep an unhappy player if you can get enough money to replace him.

The sheiks just think differently from the rest. They'd sooner make a bad "business" decision than lose face apparently
 
giorno said:
All of those clubs bar the Sheik-owned would if the player wants it bad enough and the offer is big enough. It just doesn't make sense to keep an unhappy player if you can get enough money to replace him.

The sheiks just think differently from the rest. They'd sooner make a bad "business" decision than lose face apparently
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Players that are doing well at those clubs tend not to be unhappy, not enough to cause a raucus.
 
Manchester Dan said:
An exception, not the rule, for all the reasons @DelPotro just mentioned.

United aren’t in the same bracket as Real or Barca when it comes to attracting top talent right now, you might get the odd one, just like any club might, but in general you’re miles off. There’s nothing you can say that would change my view, so we can agree to disagree.
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I didn't say I agree or disagree. Just posted to prove your comment wrong.
 
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