My next was Gareth Barry actually
Kevin De Bruyne
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So coincidently, the rest of the world just turned shitty when City and Liverpool started dominating the EPL. How convenient
Fact of the matter, the EPL has never been this strong in relation to the other European leagues.
City and Liverpool
I think there are comfortably 10 players ahead of KDB anyway. 20 is debatable.
Purely out of interest who would you say the 10 are?
Yes, but you're holding the fact that Lamps had his formative and latter years in the Prem against him which is quite silly.
Kevin Phillips
Micheal Chopra
Yossi Benayoun
Fancundo Sava
Danny Graham
Jordan Ayew
Nani
Yakubu
Morten Gamst Pedersen
Scott Parker
Liverpool have won the league once and come second once or twice. Utter dominanceSo coincidently, the rest of the world just turned shitty when City and Liverpool started dominating the EPL. How convenient
Fact of the matter, the EPL has never been this strong in relation to the other European leagues.
City and Liverpool
So coincidently, the rest of the world just turned shitty when City and Liverpool started dominating the EPL. How convenient
Fact of the matter, the EPL has never been this strong in relation to the other European leagues.
What have Liverpool dominated?
Alternative league tables and online polls
It's a significant percentage.
Plus this ignores that Lampard had 13 seasons at Chelsea to KDB's 8. KDB's goalscoring rate will only go down as his level drops the next few years as well.
Now stop making me defend Lampard for goodness sake. I'll always think of him as someone who got damn lucky to be surrounded by quality, so that he could in effect operate as a 2nd striker.
Don’t forget the greatest CB peak ever
This is where I’m at, he’s a class player no doubt but putting him in the top 10 of players in the league over the last 30 years is hell of a stretch
Best thing KDB ever did
I think there are probably close to 10 United players alone above him. Maybe I’m biased though.
It's a significant percentage.
Plus this ignores that Lampard had 14 seasons at Chelsea to KDB's 8. KDB's goalscoring rate will only go down as his level drops the next few years as well.
Now stop making me defend Lampard for goodness sake. I'll always think of him as someone who got damn lucky to be surrounded by quality, so that he could in effect operate as a 2nd striker.
2 and a half percent? Not sure how it is that significant.
Look, Lampard was more of a goalscorer than De Bruyne, I am not suggesting otherwise.
Just not so much better at that one aspect that they become comparable as players when De Bruyne does so much else so much better.
Just missed out. Below Michael Tarnat
I've actually said that Lampard is better at delivering at what he's supposed than De Bruyne is at he's supposed to when the games are the most important, and moreover, when the chips are down. Relative to constant big game player in Lampard, De Bruyne is some way down the charts in terms of delivering when it's most required of him. That's not a new criticism as it's something that has dogged him for a while, but moreso whilst he was at the top of his game because that's the time he was supposed to take the next step and be that player.
The PL in its current state, and the majority of the time De Bruyne has been here, is not a great measure. Smashing the terrible iterations of United we've been witness to isn't some feat, either. Lampard was a thorn in the side of infinitely superior United sides, and not only us has he has epic games against multiple superpowers in Europe at the time they were recognised forces - do you think De Bruyne has anything like that catalogue?
I don't think you'll find many posts of me championing Lampard, as he's really not my kind of player, but a spade should be called a spade, and Lampard has to be given his due, particularly in a Chelsea shirt. He was bigger menace for them than De Bruyne has been for City, especially outside of the league.
Right.
He is the best player in the most dominant side in Premier League history.
I hate City as much as the next Utd fan but this is about the response I would expect to the question.
Cole?
There's absolutely no metric that has KDB as a better goalscoring mid than Lampard.
The difference on percentage is fairly clear as it is (5.56% better for Lampard), but when you consider that's over a timescale almost double - 13 years versus 8, it's even more obvious. As Lampard wasn't at his peak in his first 2 years, or last year.
If we compare KDB's 8 seasons to Lampard's 8 years between 2004/05 and 2011/12, that's 156 goals in 399 games, an incredible 39.1%, versus KDB's 26.87%.
Pretty sure they never won 3 in a row like United mate. We did it twice.
Are you suggesting otherwise? Outside of Madrid, the standard across Europe has plummeted, and the superteams haven't been 'super' for a long time now. It is convenient, for those two sides because it aided them tremendously, but they certainly don't have to face the plethora of strong continental sides that others did during the actual strongest era of the PL.So coincidently, the rest of the world just turned shitty when City and Liverpool started dominating the EPL. How convenient
Fact of the matter, the EPL has never been this strong in relation to the other European leagues.
City and Liverpool
It's a significant percentage.
Plus this ignores that Lampard had 13 seasons at Chelsea to KDB's 8. KDB's goalscoring rate will only go down as his level drops the next few years as well.
Now stop making me defend Lampard for goodness sake. I'll always think of him as someone who got damn lucky to be surrounded by quality, so that he could in effect operate as a 2nd striker.
You're doing gods work mate. Keep it going. We could do with an extra Chelsea fan on here by the way. We're a little short on numbers now that @TheReligion has relinquished his post. You interested?
I don't think KDB played for us pal.
Maybe you weren't around when United were winning three in a row, trebles and 8 league titles in 11 years
They have won 4 in 5 with points totals that are unheard of.
They did it all due to winning the lottery with oil money ect. ect. but it has been total dominance.
Don't worry - despite the above I also believe him to basically be a lotto winner playing in a great team - only scoring deflections that any of us could have done.
Well it obviously hasn't, as they didn't win the 5th one in the middle did they.
It’s not really though has it. They are not the most dominant PL side
Lampard: 145 non-penalty goals, 102 A, 609 appearances
KDB: 60 non-penalty goals, 95 A, 227 appearances
Lampard was definitely a better goalscorer. That's where it ends though.
No clue what your point is. Did you quote the wrong post?
I've literally said what you just did.
They’re the most stacked side in Premier League history as well, he hasn’t been carrying them. It’s not a reason to automatically drop him into the list of greatest PL players ever.
It’s not really though has it. They are not the most dominant PL side
Man City under Pep have won 4 of the last 5 leagues most of which with point totals that have never been reached before them. Broken records for goalscoring.
AGAIN it is all due to winning the lotto with a rich sugar daddy.
No point in being in denial though. They have been extremely dominant, adding laughing emojis just makes you look silly as it is clearly a very reasonable point of view by literally every metric.
As opposed to the group of water carriers Lampard dragged to 3 PL titles, eh?
If we're talking about stacked sides the only person who gets any credit is probably Gerrard, and he gets laughed out of this thread if he's compared to Scholes instead of KDB.
Most dominant side that fails in Europe every year. Yeah right. Fergies United are the most dominant PL side until City potentially surpasses them. At present they’re not
Don't worry - despite the above I also believe him to basically be a lotto winner playing in a great team - only scoring deflections that any of us could have done.
That's good, we need you to keep the facade that you're actually a Chelsea hating United fan. Good start
I don't think you have done the maths on those stats. Based on what you gave (not sure where they are from)
Lampard scored in 16.75% of his matches
De Bruyne scored in 26.43% of his matches
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"Most dominant side in the Premier League"
"In the Premier League"
They haven't done much in La Liga either to be fair.