Lampard is the best midfielder to ever walk the earth mate.
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Lampard is the best midfielder to ever walk the earth mate.
Better how or why? At their respective jobs on a pitch, who performed at the higher level on the higher stages?
1. Keane
2. Scholes
3. KDB
For me he's third in the best prem midfielders. I'm not sure he gets into my personal top 10 of the greatest prem players
Which off the top of my head i'd have the following above him, Henry, Keane, Shearer, Scholes, Rooney, Giggs, Suarez, Ronaldo, RvP, Drogba, Robben, Aguero. I think he's without a doubt top 20 for me and I do think he's the best midfielder in the world and currently the best player in the prem alongside Haaland.
2. Scholes
3. KDB
For me he's third in the best prem midfielders. I'm not sure he gets into my personal top 10 of the greatest prem players
Which off the top of my head i'd have the following above him, Henry, Keane, Shearer, Scholes, Rooney, Giggs, Suarez, Ronaldo, RvP, Drogba, Robben, Aguero. I think he's without a doubt top 20 for me and I do think he's the best midfielder in the world and currently the best player in the prem alongside Haaland.
The EPL has never been as strong as it currently is in the UEFA ranking before. I know that this era is dominated by two teams that are generally disliked in here but this doesn't make them any weaker.
i love lampard & i will wait for kdb to perform like gerrard vs milan 05 to have him above him.
I would argue that he is better in nearly every metric outside of goals where De Bruyne is actually still very close if you take away penalties (De Bruyne is slightly below 1 in 3 in his time at City and Lampard is just above 1 in 3 for Chelsea).
Better passer by an absolute mile over any distance.
Better positionally (does not vacate midfield as much)
Better first touch
Better set piece taker
Better at pressing
I really struggle to find something that you could even argue Lampard did better than him. De Bruyne is even one of the best crossers to ever play in this league. Just a different calibre of player.
*3rd best English midfielder in his prime (until Carrick played at a level he was never close to in 2012)
Robben? In the prem?!
Which has less to do with the PL than it does with the strength of the traditional superpowers as they rebuild. Relative to the opposition faced, this isn't the strongest era. Using ranking in such a manner would also suggest the likes of Belgium were ever worthy of being called the second best national team on the planet, etc.
What two teams are dominating the league in this era?
Lampard is by far the better big game player; far more likely to deliver at his optimal in the face of equal or superior opposition. Aesthetics aren't everything; a player that delivers when most needed to has a special kind of merit and it's something that dogs De Bruyne, that he goes missing frequently when it should be his turn to ascend and deliver like he's supposed to be able to when it's most required. He's not called a bottler, but he's rarely delivering his best level at times when he should and that's a massive strike against him. Lampard is the antithesis of that, not a better footballer, but one that was reliable and more likely to deliver when required to do so.
When the biggest games roll round, Lampard might be argued to give his best performances, which is not a claim that can be made of De Bruyne.
I agree with this, a top player delivers in the biggest matches, de bruyne is class no doubt and has great attributes but doesn’t seem to shine when the chips are down
I would seriously suggest you go back to a big game that you think De Bruyne "bottled" and watch a video of everything he did in that game.
I would almost guarantee that every touch he made was better than the equivalent in most of Lampard's great big game performances. Here is an example of a game De Bruyne got criticised for bottling.
(8) Kevin De Bruyne vs Monaco HD 720p (UCL) 21/02/2017 - YouTube
Put me in any big game I would rather have De Bruyne than Lampard. Any game for that matter as he is just far better at football.
I mean he delivered vs Brazil in a wc QF, delivered against Real in the CL semi's last year and was woefully let down by his defence. Its a myth he doesn't deliver in big games mostly built around a terrible team performance vs Chelsea in the CL final.
Fair. I may be wrong, it’s just my general memories of watching him and Man City/ Belgium in the big games, they always falter. can’t remember him ever being the star of the show or dragging his team, possibly once or twice, I’ll check that link now, thanks.
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My opinions may be overrated but Scholes and Gerrard being better than Lampard aren't really opinions, just facts.
Lampard wasn't really a central mid or a creative player though was he?
He was more like a second striker who operated from the central attacking midfielder type of position.
You can't make any comparison between KDB's delivery and Lampards. And you can't really make any comparison on goalscoring / shooting. Just totally different qualities.
He was more like a second striker who operated from the central attacking midfielder type of position.
You can't make any comparison between KDB's delivery and Lampards. And you can't really make any comparison on goalscoring / shooting. Just totally different qualities.
Well when the player who is a creative dynamo and the glue in midfield also scores at nearly the same rate it is pretty definitive that they are a better overall player.
I struggle to believe that anyone genuinely thinks Lampard was better than either.
Only sheer club bias would have someone think it.
Drogba's PL career gets so overrated for his cup final clutchness. He had two great seasons. He was incredible in the Ancelotti debut season though. And Robben? Wtf did he ever do in the league except be a decent part of a couple title wins and then become incredible elsewhere? Joe Cole had a better PL career than Robben.
I think its because the games City lose are always the ones he's remembered for, for example losing the CL final but he was motm in the last 16, last 8 and semi's that season. Basically and its not a knock on any of these guys, if prime Scholes had an off day, Giggs would deliver, if Giggs had an off day, Beckham would deliver etc... at City KDB is expected to deliver and when he doesn't he carries the can cause no one steps up. He can't have an off day in any big game or City go out (which of course is a burden no one not called Messi or Ronaldo can carry) and it shows, its why when he has a bad game he gets super pissy, because its all on him.
Theres kind of an expectation on him to deliver in every game built on City's CL bottling and the same with Belgium. But both sides never quite get over the line (which of course he carries a share in). But his big game record of g/a is phenomenal for a midfielder/10 (at times).
Its a monkey that he won't get off his back till either City win the CL or Belgium win a Euro's or something.
Those are by definition nothing but opinions. Unless you have a different definition of the words facts and opinions.
Ohh
You weren't joking. You really believe Lampard was better than Scholes or Gerrard?
Astounding but okie dokie.
I won’t lie, there’s a player whose reputation I think has grown wildly out of control since his retirement.
I was kinda joking with you to be fair but yeah, my bias won’t let me agree with you.
I'm afraid this is the most criminal misinformation since the great debunking of @mitchmouse on his bizarre take that no-one had ever considered De Gea up there with the best in the world.
KDB has scored 60 league goals for Man City in 224 appearances (0.27%) . He's scored 89 for them in 330 total games (Again 0.27%)
Lampard scored 147 in 429 for Chelsea in the league (0.34%) , and 211 in 648 goals in total. Featuring 5 seasons in a row of 20 or more (peak of 27) 0.33%
On top of this, bear in mind Lampard's first couple of seasons when starting up and last season when winding down massively skew his record.
Whereas KDB's whole time at City has been his prime. (ie, if we do a 6 seasons comparison it'll be a huge extra lift for Lampard's scoring rate).
KDB's best 2 scoring seasons were 16 and 19 total goals
Lampard had 6 seasons in a row, of 19,20,21,20,20,27, plus a 16 and 17 later
It's just so wrong to suggest they nearly score at the same rate it's well, criminal.
Yeah I get it to be fair. I still think with my heart that Scholes would have been an upgrade on Xavi for Barcelona even though my head knows it's nonsense.
Without any doubt he could have slotted into that midfield seamlessly.
Unfortunately Scholes gets caught up in ABU's anti United bitterness of trying to claim every single player of those days "wasn't that good", yet won't admit that some of them must have been to win so much
That's insane (the bolded). Your end to the post is majority where you stand - better at football is not the approximation over better when it matters, and despite that, Lampard, for all his critics was an outstanding goalscoring midfielder/supporting forward who constantly popped up when the chips were down to deliver game-saving/changing moments time and again.
Your focus on the aesthetic is obviously going to lead you down one path because De Bruyne is a far better player to watch in terms of technique, but is he money when you most need him to be? Rarely has that been the case and he's not getting any younger. Lampard was an assured threat throughout his club career, at doing what he did, it weights heavily, as it should do.
De Bruyne at City: 89 in 330 - has scored in 26.97% if games he has played
Lampard at Chelsea: 211 in 648 - Has scored in 32.56% of games he has played
Really not miles apart.
Deduct penalties and I reckon De Bruyne might actually be ahead tbh
Was KDB better than Yaya?
Lampard is better than De Bruyne, but Gerrard is better than both. Scholes I honestly can't rate without being biased.
De Bruyne is freeriding defensively in comparison, so he should have a better contribution going forward.
De Bruyne is freeriding defensively in comparison, so he should have a better contribution going forward.
If we're going to use your way of using statistics let me point out that 211 is a much higher number than 89. More than double.
Please provide a few "big games" where De Bruyne has been poor for City.
You seem to think that contributions to a team winning can only be measured by looking at the goalscorers. What about countless games where De Bruyne dominated the midfield by dictating the tempo and not letting the opposition midfielder get near the ball for the majority of the match? That is not focusing on aesthetics that is dominating matches. He's done it to us enough times.
Yep
What about David Silva
Yeppers
He's miles better than Elano too before you ask.