That or alongside Herrera/new signing and Blind/Carrick.
Kevin De Bruyne
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Thats how I see it.
Interesting, the thing for me is if he was to be used in a midfield 3 then I can't see Ander getting much game time as LvG likes one of his midfield 3 to bring some physicality and power. When I look at our midfield 3 Fellaini is the piece I'd look to upgrade rather than Ander.
If this guy behaves like this with LVG, he wont play for even 1 minute.
With LVG, the player must show a good attitude and be good in training.
The main issue though, is that he wasnt good enough for Chelsea (for a whole range of reasons). We want to beat Chelsea next year (and beyond), so I'd prefer to avoid Chelsea rejects.
And before we raise the subject of Mata - he was voted Chelsea player of the year, a year earlier, so he was a clearly a great player, albeit working with a manager who could not accommodate him in his system.
I don't think his talent was ever the problem. The impression I got was that he had been given limited opportunities, not really taken them when they came, and become sulky in training and wanted out rather than buckling down and fighting for a position. I could be wrong, but that's what came across at the time.
You probably realize that but the logic is stupid, a player isn't a robot he can be average in an environment and shine in an other. You can't translate the performance of player from a club to another.
Avoid 'Chelsea rejects.' 
Not when they are this good, you don't.
Not when they are this good, you don't.
Matic was a Chelsea 'reject'
We should have signed Matic, who is a former Chelsea reject and the best DM in the league.
Yeah unbelievable that no one picked him up before.
Think there was a fear he was too slow for the prem. Clearly not, but was somewhat valid.
Would definitely make sense for City... would he count as home grown cos of his time at Chelsea?
No, he was already 21 when he moved to Chelsea and started about 5 games for them in total. Chelsea had him 2 years on contract and loaned him out for 18 of those 24 months.
I think it just shows how ignorant many are of the premier league. They think it's the be all and end all, and that every player outside of it is rubbish. Matic has been 1 of the best midfielders in the world recently, we really should be braver when trying to find midfield talent.
Belgian press linking him heavily with a move to either PSG, City or Bayern today. Especially the first two are supposedly very interested. He should cost around €60m, but Wolfsburg are lining up a new offer for him and are desperate to keep a hold of him for at least another year. I don't think he's going anywere this summer to be honest, but never say never I guess.
And for those who are saying he's a Chelsea reject: he never would've flourished under Mourinho like he does at Wolfsburg right now. De Bruyne himself has said many times he needs to be happy off the field and needs to play as many games as possible to reach his best level. That was never going to happen at Chelsea. And he's not one to sit quietly on the bench and accept a subordinate role in function of the team like Oscar, Willian and Ramires. He made the right decision by leaving and the Bundesliga is a perfect fit for him, although I could see him racking up the same numbers in the Premier League if he's given the same freedom and opportunities as in Wolfsburg. But you don't often get that much freedom in a real top team unless you really stand out, maybe that's the problem.
And for those who are saying he's a Chelsea reject: he never would've flourished under Mourinho like he does at Wolfsburg right now. De Bruyne himself has said many times he needs to be happy off the field and needs to play as many games as possible to reach his best level. That was never going to happen at Chelsea. And he's not one to sit quietly on the bench and accept a subordinate role in function of the team like Oscar, Willian and Ramires. He made the right decision by leaving and the Bundesliga is a perfect fit for him, although I could see him racking up the same numbers in the Premier League if he's given the same freedom and opportunities as in Wolfsburg. But you don't often get that much freedom in a real top team unless you really stand out, maybe that's the problem.
City don't have anywhere near €60m to spend on De Bruyne plus they don't really have much need for him when they still have Silva who plays similar role and is an excellent player. PSG couldn't spend €60m on Di Maria (or refused to pay even €1m for him as @anchan1989 will soon tell us) last Summer because of FFP so unless they generate large income through the sale of Cavani or Lavezzi this Summer they'll find it difficult to sign him. Bayern don't need De Bruyne at all.
He'll stay at Wolfsburg.
I was just quoting several Belgian sources, but they tell a different story about him every other day so they're not too reliable. I certainly believe that City and PSG are looking at the possibility of buying him but then again they do that with almost all top players in Europe.
I'm pretty sure he'll stay at Wolfsburg too, he's happy there and they would be fools to let him go at this stage, given they're on the verge of CL qualification and currently the only team in Germany which comes even close to Bayern. With the right acquisitions in the summer (a top striker being the obvious one) they'll be one hell of a team next year, and they have the money to do so as well.
This. Especially the bit about City - Silva is a better player and they can't afford to splash out big on glorified back-ups any more. But in a season or two Bayern will get him, even if they still don't appear to need him.
We were heavily linked with him, if reports are to be believed SAF had a deal ready for him and Moyes stopped it from happening.
We should seriously make an offer before City do. This could be an Aguero, Yaya Toure, David Silva moment for them that we look back at years from now.
Definitely if the race is heating up for him we should do everything in our power to win him over. We can't let talents like this move to our competitors all the if we ever want to be able to close the gap to Bayern, Real and Barca.
This. "Shut up and take my money" moment.
Sign him at all cost
False narrative. Never a question re: talent as he would be the second most talented player on Chelsea had he stayed. He's just has a difficult temperament.
He's the type of player who practices poorly but is ready come the match.
Plus his weakness is on defense which Jose already ceded defensive liability with Hazard in exchange for his offense
I understand that totally.
Under LVG, it will be worse. LVG doesnt pick players for the team who show a bad attitude in training. And worse you get in training the less likely it is you will get chosen to play on Match Day.
Whichever way you look at it, this guy just isnt a Man Utd standard player or a player which LVG can work with.
And in any case, why are we even discussing a player with question marks over him (ie. bad attitude), when there are 100s of other players to put on our wish list?
That is just a load of BS. Being from Belgium, I've been following him from when he was 17 years old. If there is any player with a good attitude, both in training and in life, it's him. He's probably the hardest worker on the pitch when playing for the Belgian NT. I don't get where posts like this come from. What are you judging him on, 6 months at Chelsea, where a manager known for not giving players a chance didn't like him?
You don't develop as brilliantly as he did in the past 2 years while being lazy in training. I haven't heard anything about that during his year in Bremen and one and a half years in Wolfsburg (which is 5times as much time as he spent at Chelsea). He's a bit of a difficult character, but not because he's lazy. He has certain expectations about his role in the team. Fair enough, if it didn't work out with Mourinho and he might have given up too quickly there, but then, he was 23 years old, already twice loaned out to different clubs and still didn't get a chance to play regularly. He showed ambition and wanted to start as many games as possible, even though it meant a step down in regards to the club he plays for.
I actually admire that attitude. Way too many young players are happy to be squad players and earn a shitload of money at his age. Football overall would benefit a lot, if talents like him more often chose regular playing time at smaller clubs over a squad role at bigger clubs.
I actually admire that attitude. Way too many young players are happy to be squad players and earn a shitload of money at his age. Football overall would benefit a lot, if talents like him more often chose regular playing time at smaller clubs over a squad role at bigger clubs.
Robben was a Chelsea 'reject'
De Bruyne recently did an interview openly admitting if he isn't playing regularly he get's downhearted and perhaps doesn't try his hardest in training, but will always give 100% on the pitch. Some old school managers don't like that.
To be fair he was pretty rubbish when he got on the pitch too. Which was a real shame, because we had huge hopes for him and Lukaku.
Yeah he certainly didn't show his best at Chelsea, but then I think he needs to be starting and playing regularly. Some people just don't show their best with 1 start here and there (see Nani)
Another assist.
Sturridge was a Chelsea reject too. These rejects aren't doing too badly.
He'd link up so well with Mata & Herrera. Intelligence.
Wow, if you linked up Robben, De Bruyne and Sturridge right now you'd have a better line up than what Chelsea have now IMO (Hazard, Costa, Willian/Oscar).
Sturridge
De Bruyne Mata Robben
Great job Chelsea
De Bruyne Mata Robben
Great job Chelsea
He'd make a lot of sense for Bayern. Perfect age to replace Ribery or Robben for that matter. Be a shame for the competitiveness of that league though.
Bayern just want absolutely zero competition in that league
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