Pogba, Ronaldo, Pique, RvN etc.
Kevin De Bruyne
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Pogba, Ronaldo, Pique, RvN etc.
This is a shock.
None of them were on the transfer list except, RvN.
Its a silly argument though. Players come and go. Life goes on.
We'll if Wolfsburg is willing to sell. They have inordinate amounts of money so they really don't need to sell De Bruyne, plus Wolfsburg is likely to finish in a CL position in the Bundesliga.
60 million euros for him? When is this madness gonna end? If he goes to bayern he's gonna bench. Not worth the hype.
Its ridiculous how they can just buy up all the competition, has the potential to be such a great league if this didnt happen, Bayern, Dortmund of 2 years ago and this seasons Wolfsburg along with the likes of Monchengladbach,Schalke and Leverkusen make a very entertaining league
I mean, if they have the means to do so you really can't blame them.
But he's nothing like them. Reus would be better option to replace those two.
De Bruyne would be strange one for them. I don't really think they need him yet. But if Bayern get him then you can't blame them.
Wolfsburg should be the ones to blame if they sell to a rival. As they one of the richest clubs in Germany and can easily say no.
That article is just silly and Sportbild is probably the least reliable German paper when it comes to Bayern anyway. We won't buy de Bruyne in the summer, definitely not for that much money.
We have 3 regulars in the team bought from German top teams. I understand that it sucks for the league. But all three of them would have left anyway and if Neuer played for United, Lewandowski for Real and Götze for City today, the Bundesliga would overall be in a much worse situation. If you want to count Dante as well, then it's four. But Gladbach lost Reus to Dortmund and Neustädter to Schalke the same summer and both were probably more important in their success, so blaming Bayern while calling Dortmund and Schalke victims would be ridiculous.
Anyway, the point is, we need to keep our top players in the league. We need the 2nd tier teams to keep their stars, that's the only way forward. Reus signing a new contract was the most important step for Dortmund. It doesn't mean anything if they lose Hummels and Gündogan to United in the summer though. It's not better for the league if they leave to foreign clubs instead of to Bayern. Ter Stegen should have moved to Dortmund and not to Barca, that would have been great for the league. Schürrle to Wolfsburg and most likely Khedira to Schalke is good for the league. And obviously, de Bruyne staying at Wolfsburg along with Gustavo and Rodriguez is important for the league. If City comes in and buys de Bruyne and Rodriguez this summer, Wolfsburg won't recover and fall behind. It makes no difference for the competitiveness of the Bundesliga if it's Bayern instead of City, none at all.
We don't do that though. When Diego left to Juve, Özil to Real and Mertesacker to Arsenal, no one cared that Bremen got dismantled, well other than Bremen fans of course. Then Khedira was Stuttgart's most important player and left for Real, nothing to do with Bayern. Dzeko was Wolfsburg's best player and went to City. Vidal went to Juve. Sahin and Kagawa left Dortmund for Real and United after dominating the league. No one cried about the Bundesliga.
We have 3 regulars in the team bought from German top teams. I understand that it sucks for the league. But all three of them would have left anyway and if Neuer played for United, Lewandowski for Real and Götze for City today, the Bundesliga would overall be in a much worse situation. If you want to count Dante as well, then it's four. But Gladbach lost Reus to Dortmund and Neustädter to Schalke the same summer and both were probably more important in their success, so blaming Bayern while calling Dortmund and Schalke victims would be ridiculous.
Anyway, the point is, we need to keep our top players in the league. We need the 2nd tier teams to keep their stars, that's the only way forward. Reus signing a new contract was the most important step for Dortmund. It doesn't mean anything if they lose Hummels and Gündogan to United in the summer though. It's not better for the league if they leave to foreign clubs instead of to Bayern. Ter Stegen should have moved to Dortmund and not to Barca, that would have been great for the league. Schürrle to Wolfsburg and most likely Khedira to Schalke is good for the league. And obviously, de Bruyne staying at Wolfsburg along with Gustavo and Rodriguez is important for the league. If City comes in and buys de Bruyne and Rodriguez this summer, Wolfsburg won't recover and fall behind. It makes no difference for the competitiveness of the Bundesliga if it's Bayern instead of City, none at all.
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Sport Bild
Of course it's very likely that Bayern Munich are interested in De Bruyne.
But Sport Bild last week
Bayern Munich are looking for a new right-back.....Danilo, Castro and Coleman are on the list.
The rumour in the english papers of Ivanovic aren't true because Ivanovic isn't even a RB and they're looking for a younger player in that position.
Sport Bild two days ago
Ivanovic is now Bayern Munich's top target as new RB and he wants the move.
I still don't understand why we didn't ban them from all press conferences after the 'Chefchen Schweini' drama. They're the worst between all the scum newspapers. Every fan blog is more reliable than they are.Sport Bild
He's a great little player, but for 50M we have other options we need first. He isn't MUCH better than Mata, so I would rather spend it on a world class CM to replace Carrick in the long run.
Horse, stable door, etc.
Hi Balu what are your thoughts on Gundogan these days will he ever reach those same heights pre injury and do you think he would be a good buy for United in the summer? Many Thanks
I would rather us keep Mata and play him a lot next season tbh, he's class. Would like Schneiderlin in the summer though.
He replaces their position on the pitch. Not always viable to replace a player like for like, like Carrick replacing Keane.
To an extent, yeah we could blame Wolfsburg. But if De Bruyne wants the move, there's not much they can do.
The talk in SportBild is about 2016. Would make sense for him, Wolfsburg and us.
Just 25 then. He should stay one more year, play in the CL and push for a title in Germany(Cup and Supercup both very much possible).
Just 25 then. He should stay one more year, play in the CL and push for a title in Germany(Cup and Supercup both very much possible).
He'd actually show up for your team too. Unlike the love of our your life in Gotze.
Götze is actually a year younger than de Bruyne and has already shown up a lot more often in important moments.
De Bruyne lives for the big games, though.
Don't you dare bring up the WC, I cant top that.
Don't you dare bring up the WC, I cant top that.
It doesn't get bigger than the WC final mate
Im speaking as a neutral fan here as I dont associate myself to any club in Germany, The best thing about the Premier League is the competition and the fact the top teams rarely sell between eachother, the fact that Chelsea,Arsenal, City and Liverpool can compete to bring in some of the worlds best players. Its a bit like Liverpool being number one in England and Southampton the emerging force, than like last summer Lambert, Lovern and Lallana join Liverpool, making it virtually impossible for there to be any competition for trophies.
I know Bayern have been defeated by Monchengladbach and Wolfsburg this season if im not mistaken, but the gap is still too big for them to be threatened at all, if big players are leaving to go abroad its because if Bayern dont want them they have no other option with the structure of the league, if Dortmund had continued the success of 2 years ago and could build on it then im sure they could afford to pay better wages and agent fees, Wolfsburg being in the champions league next year and giving it a good go with that squad they could do well and better than people think, Schalke & Leverkusen can only get so far.
It would be great to see another league bar England where you genuinely dont know who is going to win it every year (3 or more possibilities) and it cant happen in Germany or Spain for that matter if all the best players from direct rivals leave for Bayern/ Madrid or Barca
He's not small at 6 feet. He's a completely different style of player than Mata. Mata is much better in tight spaces playing through balls or 1-2 football De Bruyne is more physical and he's a top notch crosser who can play pinpoint long through balls.
FFP might not matter for PSG since they may get the entire De Bruyne fee by selling Cavani and Lavezzi (and playing De Bruyne in their place with Ibra and the 3rd man being whichever of Pastore or Lucas wins a war)
Wolfsburg should say feck off, though. They're going to be in the CL and they have a strong team. De Bruyne is massive for them and a perfect fit as the free 10 since they have Gustavo who is best as a deep 6 and isn't exactly Pirlo. Half the benefit of a player like Gustavo deep in midfield is that you can play someone like De Bruyne (or Mata or whoever) who doesn't contribute much in midfield as a proper 10, as long as the 8 (Guilavogui or Arnold) can do his job in between.
------------Dost-----------
Schurrle----De Bruyne---Caliguri/Perisic
--Gustavo-Guilavogui/Arnold--
Rodriguez-------------Vierinha
------Knoche---Naldo-------
You look at that and there's solid players everywhere, and with their money they can spend it on giving De Bruyne a massive raise and then finding a long-term Naldo replacement, permanently keeping Guilavogui and probably replacing Bentdner with a better competitor to Dost.
Wolfsburg should say feck off, though. They're going to be in the CL and they have a strong team. De Bruyne is massive for them and a perfect fit as the free 10 since they have Gustavo who is best as a deep 6 and isn't exactly Pirlo. Half the benefit of a player like Gustavo deep in midfield is that you can play someone like De Bruyne (or Mata or whoever) who doesn't contribute much in midfield as a proper 10, as long as the 8 (Guilavogui or Arnold) can do his job in between.
------------Dost-----------
Schurrle----De Bruyne---Caliguri/Perisic
--Gustavo-Guilavogui/Arnold--
Rodriguez-------------Vierinha
------Knoche---Naldo-------
You look at that and there's solid players everywhere, and with their money they can spend it on giving De Bruyne a massive raise and then finding a long-term Naldo replacement, permanently keeping Guilavogui and probably replacing Bentdner with a better competitor to Dost.
No, it's not. It's a totally silly and wrong comparison.
That's the most laughable myth about the Premier League. There's a reason, why in the last 10 years only 3 different clubs won the Premier League, while for example 4 different clubs won the Bundesliga. Arsenal for example hasn't really challenged for the league title in 10 years, yet you praise them as a top club, that can attract worldclass players and make the title fight interesting. It's simply not true, not even when United and Chelsea totally fecked up like last season. Very rarely more than 2 clubs have really been involved in the title fight in England, let alone there being 3 or more possibilities every year.
Anyway, Wolfsburg could definitely challenge us next season and de Bruyne will be there, right at the heart of their team if he doesn't get injured.
I don't know how you have patience Balu. Posts like this one you replied or 'it will be good if in other leagues 3 or more teams would fight for the title - like in EPL' are just ignorant cliches which don't even deserve a real reply.
I had a quick look in a Bayern forum after our loss against Gladbach on the weekend. Way less annoying to fight windmills here than to post something in between all the doom and gloom there.
A good interview with him (Only in german)
http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/b...-verlassen-Sie-Wolfsburg-Kevin-de-Bruyne.html
http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/b...-verlassen-Sie-Wolfsburg-Kevin-de-Bruyne.html
Seems like a sensible lad. Says the right things. Goes with the "no one knows the future" line, though.
Serious doom and gloom in Bayern forums? hehehehe. They most welcome to come and swap with the pain we've experienced the past 18 months. Fingers crossed, hopefully we've turned the corner now.
Most fans of "successful teams" (including our very own here at United), really are spoilt.
Not sure about that. Costa is quite a way ahead of Sturridge even if Bruyne may prove to be a better option than Oscar/Willian and Robben currently better than Hazard.
Having said that, he is the one and only transfer we may regret letting go.
Götze has a really good season, is younger and is a big game player(see his crazy good assist for Lewandowskis 1:0 against Real in 2013, which people tend to overlook, for example).
Its also de Bruynes first season with steady greatness,scoring and influence. Götze had his first being 18 years old. Kevin, who is a monster, is "already" 23.
About Wolfsburg; wasnt there an article in SporBild that talked about Wolfsburgs meetings with UEFA and the argument that Wolfsburg is a brand stage for Volkswagen so that all investments of VW are within the rules of FFP?
I recall money around 150 million, that could be approved then.
IF that is true, Wolfsburg could really push over the next years.
I already see them a steady improving club and team, who will only get bigger with CL money.
And if Dortmund can become that big(CL final, top 8 team) why shouldnt we see a top club in Wolfsburg. Would be great for the league.
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I would really love to see him come here, especially as he seems to be one of the few attacking midfielders who seems equally content and able to play in the center or out wide.
Pretty sure I saw someone fitting that description ripping up Liverpool a few days ago?
I'd have thought De Bruyne only really made sense if someone like Mata was leaving.
KDB made Genk champions when he was 20, almost all by himself. Genk being the big underdog behind, Brugge, Anderlecht and Standard. He was the main star in the national team of Belgium when qualifying for the Worldcup, when he was 21-22. You are making it look like he hasn't played a decent season before.
If we keep our current system just deploy de Bruyne instead of Young or let one of them play the central position if Herrera isn' in form or injured. Also Mata is much more a goal scorer than someone who directs the play of his team which is something that de Bruyne is absolutely great at.
Rooney
de Bruyne --------------- Mata
Herrera
Carrick -- Schneiderlin
That would mean we have two very creative players like Herrera and de Bruyne and two excellent goal scorer in Mata and Rooney without any of them being total duds at the other department.de Bruyne --------------- Mata
Herrera
Carrick -- Schneiderlin
its still very flawed. This lineup is missing width and I also dont think that Herrera, Mata and de Bruyne are complementing each other very well.
If you want to get the best out of KdB you want to use him like City uses Silva. As your main man who orchestrates the whole team in offence. You want him to be the focal point and to have the ball as often as possible. Not just in the final 1/3. Its almost the role of a classic #10. He is an exciting player, but he is not what United really needs at the moment. Mata just got some mojo back, Herrera is still settling in and there is the issue with di Maria, who hasn't found his position. Buying de Bruyne makes no sense except we sell Mata and/or di Maria.
If there is anything to learn from the current improvement is, that its not about using the biggest/most talented names but about playing the right player in the right position/role. We should stick to that and start buying players who are needed and fit into the team.
He also goes clutch consistently for Belgium. Granted, they haven't amounted to much but he's one of the very few superstars who steps up when needs be for the national side. He's definitely as much of a 'big game player' as Gotze, probably more so, in my opinion. Whilst also being in better form and just generally better. De Bruyne is one year older, also. What's with the clamour about age? 23 is still ridicously young for an attacking midfielder who has such control over matches.
A better way to approach it would be through an effective combination of pace, physicality, and width that can utilyze the best qualities of each player and allows the team to play LvG's possession centric game.
---------------- Rooney ---------------
--- Depay ----- de Bruyne ---- Mata ---
------ Fellaini/Herrera ---- Carrick ----
Blind/Shaw -- Smalling -- Jones -- Val --
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---------------- Rooney ---------------
--- Depay ----- de Bruyne ---- Mata ---
------ Fellaini/Herrera ---- Carrick ----
Blind/Shaw -- Smalling -- Jones -- Val --
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