Some may have thought it was a one off and it might still be. If they feel there is a deep rooted problem at the club they might not risk it even for the money. Playing for this manager, yes some might, but I bet there are a lot more wouldn't. There might be some already at the club who are regretting playing for him. Anyway Wolfsburg have a lot of money behind them and will very likely be in the CL.
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There are other reasons beside the Cl, no question.
BUT the CL is THE stage for the very best players. And if you dont provide that you will not get them.
You spend big money last summer, but for the very best?
Falcao played good in France, Shaw was 18.
The one great player United got was Di Maria. And he didnt want to leave Madrid. And Real asked around the big clubs(following various reports here) and no one wanted him besides United.
In the end of the day that transfer window wasnt so impressive in terms of getting the very best players. You have to be honest here.
And I think those type of players were in the mind of DomesticTadpole.
Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Rojo etc. Mostly internationals who went deep into the world cup. The common thread being they were afforded the opportunity to move to a bigger club and make significantly higher wages (in most cases) and play for a well known manager - and they all took it, despite not having CL football to look forward to. I think the CL thing is well overplayed and the vast majority of factors of why players move have little to do with the CL and far more to do with a combination of other factors including bigger club, different league, higher wages, playing for a top manager, etc.
You suddenly seem really down on LvG mate. I don't think he has trouble getting players to play for him, and any player he brought in this summer would be 100% his choice and have his full confidence, something I feel he doesn't have in some of our current players and why they are not playing with freedom.
Yes. And I agree with all your points.
But the start of this discussion was de Bruyne and he is one of the best(talents) around.
And those guys want CL. Maybe 1 year without it(Bayern 2007 with Ribery comes to my mind) but they know that you make your legacy in that competition.
And so every club, even a big one like United, needs CL at the end of the day.
I think he needs a new defence which is restricting what he can do with the rest of the team. The summer can't come quick enough for me to get rid of the useless articles at the back.
We do need a new defense I agree, but I am also not sure some players we have are actually the type he wants, I guess we will see come the summer. This last 10 games may well be the most nerve racking season run-in I've ever experienced, more so than any of the title battles.
Did any of the players you signed in the summer have offers elsewhere from teams in the CL though? De Bruyne certainly would. City signed players like Silva, Aguero and Toure without CL football but I do not doubt for one second if a team playing CL (in one of the top leagues) matched City's offer then that's where they would be playing right now.
Oh please. Every team in the world would welcome DiMaria. They just did not want to pay the outrageous transfer fee Madrid asked.
I think difference between wanting to pay and actually having the ability to pay. Our two rivals for his signature, PGS and City were both hit with punishment for breaching FFP and had spending caps.
I'd love De Bruyne here. Great delivery and a very intelligent footballer. Still think Chelsea were fools to get rid of him by not giving him a proper chance.
Fun fact(not so funny for United fans): Real asked for 50 million during the summer, and many can pay that. No one wanted him.
Then your club got desperate and threw money at Real. The di Maria transfer doesnt say much about Uniteds pulling power.
No, we might have landed the right players!
Actually many can't pay £50M and PSG desperately wanted Di Maria but the FFP prevented them from getting him.
Chapeau sir, chapeau.
United has pull because it's has the deepest pockets magical tradition but eventually if you can't provide CL football and can't mount a reasonable challenge for a PL title or CL title the only thing the money is good for is getting mercenaries.
Players came in the summer because they felt that United missing the CL was a one off and the ship was going to be righted but if United fail to finish top 4 again it will put a little bit of doubt into the mind of the top players about coming to United.
To be fair the last summer transfer window was more about drawing name players rather than talent as I would argue none of the acquisitions were world class and none of them are capable of putting United on their shoulders and carrying the team.
I missed it but from the commentary coming from the other room I think he got another assist just now for Wolfsburg.
I am also sure they said about him stopping another year at Wolfsburg.
He did, from a corner.
Probably been the worst Wolfsborg player on the pitch mind. Misplacing passes all over the pitch.
It makes sense, this has been a breakout season for him, uprooting to another league immediately might hamper his development.
That won't suit the philosophy, we'd have to neuter him like Herrera.
Just scored his second of the game to add to his assist.
Ill make the post in here also. Did Mourinho make a mistake in selling him because he looks better than Oscar and Willian to me.
I'd say so, yes. Maybe it has just been better for De Bruyne to get away.
They were talking on commentary that apparently he is not a great trainer and isn't that keen to apply himself outside of match day, which they suggested would not have sat well with Mourinho.
feck he is good. I bet Mourinho ships Oscar out or something and gets this lad back.
To me if he is applying himself on the pitch, that is where it matters. To many of our teams I suspect are down to who runs around best in training.
I can't see Mourinho doing that. I know they did it with Matic, but Mourinho didn't sell him.
He bought Matic back to the club. Depends if Chelsea is the right club for a personality the like of De Bruyne. There again if Jose didn't like his attitude in training, would LvG?
Season Stats 15 goals 21 assists with 12-19 games left to go on the year
A decent chance to reach 20 goals 30 assists
A decent chance to reach 20 goals 30 assists
He's excellent. Told you all so.
The Wolfsburg manager (Dieter Hecking) was at a german football show at sunday ("Doppelpass") and they talked about de Bruyne.
He admitted, that de Bruyne can be a difficult character, because he seems to be very self-confident and very competitive. Apparently he is very direct in speaking out, when he doesnt like something. The manager and his teammates have to be able to handle that. He also isnt someone who would sit quietly on the bench.
I dont think that staying at Chelsea would have worked out and thats why he left.
You could substitute De Bruyne with Roy Keane here.
Mourinho didn't make a mistake in letting De Bruyne go in favor of Oscar IMO. His primary focus was on having a high work-rate, team friendly and defensively aware #10 who can sacrifice his own individual gaudy stats to an extent. That's where Oscar excels, even putting his attacking efficiency aside. He's just a better team fit for a Mourinho managed club because of that inherent selflessness. That's probably why he didn't actively pursue Ozil (who was at that time a Top 3 attacking midfielder in the world) despite managing him at Madrid.
He scored 2 goals and an assist but he was far from excellent imo. Both his goals were from the keeper being shite and he was giving the ball away all over the place. A bunch of them from random back-heel flicks in the middle of the park. If Inter were any good they could have scored off a few of them. Made some nice passes though as well.
What a player. What's the record for assists in one season? I remember Henry got like 23 or something.
He also said, that De Bruyne isnt a leader off the pitch, but rather independent. He just doesnt see himself in this role. He also added that he is very competitive during the training sessions, so I dont believe that he is a lazy in training.
Its always a double-edged sword. In the right team with the right manager its good to have such a character, because he´ll always take over responsibility and he´ll do everything to win.
The downside is, that those things can turn into frustration and negativity, when things dont go his way.
He is a bit like the early Robben (his character, not his style of play). I am not surprised that things didnt work out with Mou.
I'll be honest, before this season I didn't think he was that good, but I was clearly wrong. Exceptional player.
Said who? There were speculation all summer long, but in the end it came down to which clubs can pay. Doubt Arsenal would splash 50M on attacking minded midfielder. So that left City, PSG, Bayern and United. PSG and City were hit FFP, and Bayern has more than enough players in that positions. Do you really think Liverpool, Tottenham or Dortmund would refuse Di Maria after last summer at Champions League and World Cup if they had a chance of signing him? Hell not.
21 assists and leading in europe now(Messi and Fabregas with 20).
And I said 50 million euros. The big boys said no so United paid the last minute inflated price(75? thats crazy) and when was his last PL goal. October?
Not a superstar, no. And that was the point.
And I said 50 million euros. The big boys said no so United paid the last minute inflated price(75? thats crazy) and when was his last PL goal. October?
Not a superstar, no. And that was the point.
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