FFP has been binned then? Why are we (chelsea) the only ones trying to abide by it?
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I don't know if it's been binned but City seems to have amped their revenue so much that they can pretty much spent what they want. I have seen somewhere figures of something like €414M revenue for the last year? They have pretty much overtaken you guys within a couple of season, surely there is nothing fishy about this, surely.
Ah here is a revenue table for the last year. PSGs sponsorship revenue is so laughable. http://www.statista.com/statistics/271636/revenue-distribution-of-top-20-european-soccer-clubs/
He is one of the best talent in the world for his age. I'd say, he'll improve any team in the world barring barcelona, and that includes Madrid as well
Just saw that he is already 24. I somehow had in mind he is a bit younger.
However, if the deal goes through City will have purchased 2 of the most promising attacking Player with him and Sterling. These 2 + Aguero and Silva sounds a bit worrying...
Also Chelsea have great attacking Options with Pedro added. Although I am happy with Memphis we are still lacking compared to those 2.
However, if the deal goes through City will have purchased 2 of the most promising attacking Player with him and Sterling. These 2 + Aguero and Silva sounds a bit worrying...
Also Chelsea have great attacking Options with Pedro added. Although I am happy with Memphis we are still lacking compared to those 2.
City's will piss on Chelsea's imo, even with Pedro who statistically has worse stats than Mane.
So yeah we are behind. If we achieve anything this year it will be because of an amazing team cohesion with everyone chipping in.
Why does Everyone Discount Mata as if he is Antonio Valencia ?
If we don't sign anyone else key to us in attack would be Rooney's form which is more worrying right now.
Griezmann is joining though so
I rate Mata but it is pretty obvious that he is used in a wrong way.
FFP has not been binned at all. But City are working around much of it.
You dont get sanctions in terms of no CL football or a fine with the FFP now, so its pretty much binned.
I'm sure if he was here I wouldn't enjoy him, but him being at Barca did make me realise how lucky we were seeing him constantly. Also on the plus side, he didn't really guide Liverpool to anything significant so it wasn't too bad.He isn´t in his last year, but has a long contract left. He wasn´t cheap at all and he was able to turn around his career from potential failure to world-class. There is nothing wrong with him wanting to leave, but he is forcing his way out despite Wolfsburg trying to hold him for just one more year. I´d see the whole thing different, if he would have left one month ago. It was still preseason, wolfsburg could have bought 2-3 new player and everything would have been okay. Now Wolfsburg built their whole team around him and he leaves two weeks into the season. Thats a different story. All this dithering around about trying to be nice, but still forcing the move out is terrible. What Sterling did was a lot less harmful and a lot more honest. Everyone knows where they are standing and both clubs and the player can move on. Obviously part of the blame has to go to Wolfsburg´s management as well, because they played along. Still in my mind the KdB handled the whole situation terrible. It has little to do with "owing the club", but with being professional.
If it would have happened weeks ago Wolfsburg could have tried e.g. to go in for Draxler or Götze who are both somewhat available and who would have been great additions. I do not know if Götze would go to Wolfsburg - but his buddy Schürrle is there and with KdB-money they could pay him. But - I doubt that Bayern would let him go without any replacement for their own squad.
It's the fecking transfer window. It just screws with everyone. Even if a club sets a deadline and the player says he'll stay, Real Madrid can come along out of nowhere and offer a crazy amount of money and turn everyone's head. I'll never understand why it has to be open for so long. Just make it 1st to 31st July and that's that. Then all squads would be final before the leagues all over Europe start. It's so unnecessary to have it open until after the first 3 or 4 league games and the CL/EL playoffs are played.
Yup! Especially when you see players waiting to see if their clubs make it through European qualifiers, and ditching them if they don't. Like Moutinho is apparently planning at Monaco.
This is all but done now. Blimey City are going to be a goal machine this year and have ensured their defence stays compact and solid with the Otamendi signing. If City click early with these new players, they will be the ones to beat for the title this year.
You're not, your club has just chosen not to spend much in this transfer window for whatever reason. City are spending within their means, last season we were restricted to a net spend of £50m which we abided by.
You keep saying this every time one of us question your spending. We know you're "spending within your means."
It's how you obtain your means that we all question. May sound ironic coming from a Chelsea fan but like it or not we're a massive, globally famous club now. City are far from that and yet have revenues massively eclipsing ours now due to dodgy sponsorships that are somehow deemed legal.
Haha ! Dodgy, why ? Because fans of rival clubs say so ? Give me a break !
Nissan, SAP, LG and many more are clearly buying into our not so massive and not so globally famous club.
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You make some good points but Wolfsburg probably knew he was going and are playing hardball for a bigger fee. I agree with @Balu that the window should be shorter and close on 31st July. It is ridiculous that teams are scrambling for signing as the season is in full flow.
You make some good points but Wolfsburg probably knew he was going and are playing hardball for a bigger fee. I agree with @Balu that the window should be shorter and close on 31st July. It is ridiculous that teams are scrambling for signing as the season is in full flow.
It's a nice idea but would fall to shit in a World Cup or Euro year.
Do you not find it a little strange that City's commercial revenue was only £25m behind United's in 13/14, it was higher than Barca's and was £50m more than what Chelsea made in commercial revenue.
Somehow? It's hardly a huge mystery. There is a legal definition of what constitutes a Related-Party Transaction, and none of City's sponsorships fall under that from my memory (and if they did, then they were subject to UEFA's assessment of whether they were inflated or not). There's no point whining about something that is entirely out of UEFA's hands. And I keep mentioning it every time because numerous people are just moaning over and over again that City seem to be totally disregarding FFP and spending what we want, when that is entirely false. If someone, like the person I replied to, makes a claim that Chelsea are the only team abiding by the rules, then I'm going to call them out for speaking nonsense.
August 10th or 15th would work, too. Tight with the World Cup but not impossible and nobody has played more than a single game at that point, except for esoteric Europa League stuff.
Aguero up top, Silva and De Bruyne in free roles and Sterling stuck out wider than he likes taking people on one and one sounds like a pretty strong attack, especially with Yaya as one of the 2 CMs.
Still think they lack the fullbacks and CMs to do serious damage in the CL, but in the league they will crush teams often enough. Title favorites for me.
City would be my favourites for the title this year. The signing of Otamendi will be difference for them.
No, it wouldn't. Clubs would be forced to act quicker, that's all. 2 weeks is more than enough to make a deal. And players have no problem to decide before the World Cup what they want or can let their agents do the work in the background. Everytime a player comes out with the 'I have to focus on the tournament and decide afterwards' comment I cringe. If the player can't make up his mind within 2 weeks after a tournament is over, he can always honour his fecking contract, it's not that difficult. Many deals are done before the World Cup/Euro/Copa starts anyway.
It's way less of a problem than all the transfer dealings while the season is already underway.
CL/EL playoffs probably are a big reason for this.
But not a good one. Just one, that allows the players/agents/clubs to make changes/money when the season is already running and it's silly. I get why they all want it, but it's still incredible stupid and unfair.
This is the first really strong window City will have had since Aguero joined really. We've win two titles since that summer but the team has barely changed. If you'd have said at the start of the window we would add Sterling, De Bruyne, Otamendi, Delph and Roberts, then you'd have taken that - plus keeping Yaya. It's been a great summer.
To make a deal? You're whole post views it from a players perspective who do only make 1 move, clubs will have multiple deals they'll want to complete. Not to mention that I don't understand what's wrong with focusing on the tournament once it's underway? If I was a manager of a nation with a legitimate chance of winning the World Cup I sure as hell wouldn't want my key players having medicals and doing promo interviews for their new club when we've got a quarter final in 2 days time.
I can see the benefits of the window ending before the season starts but I don't see why it's a massive issue the 2 overlapping for a few weeks.
I think it's very good one. Those matches decide between making little money in the EL or huge sums in the CL, or between playing 6-15 matches during the week or none at all. Especially smaller clubs would be fecked over if they had to do all their business before those matches, because most of them would have to take a conservative route and be forced to have either too thin a squad and/or one which is too big.
Having a played a few competitive matches before the window shuts also means clubs don't have to take a stab in the dark with their squad building
Clubs don't do multiple moves with players playing at the tournament though. At least few clubs do and only very rarely are we talking about more than 1 or 2 players. And of course, negotiations are constantly going on in the background between the agents and the clubs. For example Kroos last season was constantly giving us the whole 'I want to focus on the World Cup' - nonsense. 4 days after the World Cup final, the transfer was made official. Obviously it was all done during the tournament, the decisions, the plans for the medical and then executed quickly the day after he was back, so that he could go on vacation as soon as possible.
The whole transfer window is artificially dragged out into the season, so that the clubs have a few weeks to react after the season has already began. It shouldn't be allowed, squads should be final before the season starts. The winter transfer window is the same nonsense. Sync the leagues in Europe, make one week of transfers inbetween matchdays, so that all transfers happen after every team played exact half the season. That way, every team plays against each other with the same squad once or twice. Not some shit inbetween where one club can play a side in the league, then sell the club a quality player and all the other teams in the league face the a strengthened opponent. It's silly.
Then UEFA should have all the EL/CL playoffs played before the season starts, so that those decisions can't influence the league matches. For example, it's just wrong that Chelsea played a City side without Otamendi and De Bruyne while United/Arsenal/... have to play them with those players in the team.
It's even worse for smaller clubs that can't react late in the season after losing a key player to a bigger club. If it's before the season starts, everyone can plan with it and everyone faces the same team. It makes so much more sense. Wolfsburg's season is over if De Bruyne leaves now. They can't invest the money in a sensible way so late and have to live with the significant weakened team or panic buy and hope for the best.
In that scenario, they will start negotiating quicker and seal deals quicker without so much fannying around. The season ends in may, the window in this proposition will be open till 31st July. Thats 10 weeks to do all the negotiations, take out a month for the wc and you still have a lot of time to conclude your business. Will just force clubs to be a bit more efficient in their plannings.
But then those play-offs would happen during pre seasons and you could argue that they would be a lot less representative because new players and coaches usually don't fit in perfectly from the first match on and you'd also force clubs to mess up their pre season in order to get into a match rythm earlier than usual.
You can also argue that it's Wolfsburg's own fault for letting it come to this and not setting clear ground rules for a transfer and that you can't expect everyone to play against the exact same team anway because of fitness concerns and injuries.
It is kinda Wolfsburg's fault, but then, they're in an impossible situation. If De Bruyne was happy to stay and City improved his wages until he changed his mind late in the transfer window and now he wants out, what's Wolfsburg supposed to do? Keep him and watch him play significantly worse because he's unhappy? Their whole team is built around him, he's the key. They can't take that risk. A huge club like United or Bayern maybe can do that and make up for it with one of the many quality back-ups in the team, but a club like Wolfsburg is fecked.
Setting clear ground rules works if the player acts 100% professional. Some do, some don't. FIFA/UEFA need to set those ground rules, so that the players don't have the power to act like that.
Yes it's a shitty situation for Wolfsburg, but I think the bigger picture would be even worse if you hurt entire competitions trying to adjust to it. And how much would that even help? Why would an earlier deadline stop clubs from turning player's heads at the 11th hour? You could have the exact same situation, just a couple of weeks earlier, but with the same consequences.
It's up to the club to assess whether or not the player is a cnut or someone who can't be reasoned with and if someone wants to piss his career in the wind because of he didn't get his way then there is little FIFA or UEFA can do.
How are the consequences the same? Wolfsburg would know about it a lot earlier. If the drama we have now started in the 2nd week of July instead of the 2nd week of August, Wolfsburg would be in a way way better position to react.
Because City could still up their bid right before deadline day, leaving Wolfsburg with no good options as a replacement.
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