Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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This whole thread is an indictment of the FPTP system. We have at least three groupings in England - Tory, Labour and what had been the old Liberal Party. Any Labour leader who wants to win an election has to appeal to two quite different constituencies. The Conservatives do as well to some extent but they can fall back on raising the spectre of socialism to rally their centrist/Liberal vote in a way that Labour can’t quite reciprocate.
Pretty much.
That’s why we need electoral reform so we can finally consign the Tories and Labour to the dustbin of history where they belong.
I guess one man's cogent argument is another's supposition. It's not as if May's Tories were all pulling in the same direction.
The surprise of the result is relevant insofar as it underlines the improbability of him surpassing expectations even further than he actually did to claim a victory.
Bang goes that cogent argument about him winning as the goalposts shift...
Dame Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, Lady Hodge calling someone a baron.
What do you think Labour ‘winning’ under Starmer would look like? If you think Labour in 2024 is going to be able to govern without an alliance, you’re living on a different planet. So yes, Corbyn ‘winning’ in 2017 obviously meant having a chance to govern in an alliance, not a Labour majority in its own right, just as the same will apply to Starmer.
Funny how in the various political threads on here you never post about racism, anti semitic or Islamophobia in the Conservative Party, of which there are many examples. It is almost like Guido isn't giving you the full picture.
You really aren't grasping what the Labour party was founded for are you?
Gold.The problem is that you want a party that claims to represent the interests of labour but does not actually do so? Centrism in a nutshell
If the EHRC find enough evidence about any party I want it fully investigated and the findings of the report enacted plus any prosecutions that are required - given so far that only covers the BNP and Labour and only one of those is active - and certainly only one of those relates to issues facing starmers leadership of the labour party which is the focus of this thread then I trust my condemnation of all forms of racisim in any party is sufficient for here... I hope you will agree with that and that the EHRC report should be respected and acted upon when it is published
Be interesting to know what left Starmer voters think of this ?
I really don't think it matters what it was founded for or what it's called. It's just 'the alternative' to the natural position of Tory rule. As I've said suggested in prior posts, I think it's silly to suggest it should be anything else, at this point. The fight for workers rights is best served by non-electoral means and the electoral side of it needs to find a new home. The Green Party could make a play for it but I'd be surprised, as a Green Party member myself, I get the feeling I'm very unusual in being poor and that the vast majority are middle class. My personal view is the best bet is to create a new party that focuses on the concerns of people under the age of 40 who aren't financially secure.
McCluskey is doing alright on £140k pa plus his £420,000 flat paid for by Unite. He’s still bleeding from his good friend Corbyn’s pathetic efforts to land a punch on a weak Tory party in The election. The country will take some years to recover from this virus whoever is in charge. We can’t borrow our way out of it as I think we’ve reached our credit limit, so who is going to pay? Yep, we are.The promise of new hospitals, schools and police will not be met and Labour will still not get in unless they get a human being to lead rather than an automaton.
Starmer talking to the Farmers Union
"No you complete cretin, I'm just contributing to this total farce" may be my favourite line in the history of I'm Alan Partridge. It's got serious competition, mind.
55% of Tory voters think that the Labour party are doing a bad job of holding the Government to account over Covid? If they wanted an accountable Government they shouldn't have voted Boris for PM.
Do you clarify everyone's wage and financial interests before listening to their opinions?
I hope you do because there are much worse than McCluskey. Most in the Tory party.
Looks like sitting on the fence may not be a massive vote winner after all.
Labour and Tories neck and neck in polls after opposition's lead evaporates
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...k-in-polls-after-oppositions-lead-evaporates?
Labour and Tories neck and neck in polls after opposition's lead evaporates
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...k-in-polls-after-oppositions-lead-evaporates?
Ed says hi
Wtf ?
Wtf ?
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did labour endorse anybody in the last US election? (I dont think they did - but would be interested to see if they did?)
This was Corbyns response to trump winning by the way
I'm more interested in why Starmer view has changed over the last few months than what Corbyn said in 2016 tbh. Even if Trump wins this year and Starmer wins in 2024 they will only be in office at the same time for a few months.
Just a very weird backtrack.
Maybe he’s looking ahead and doesn’t want to be bound to Biden?
I'm not sure continuing the line anyone but Trump is bounding himself to Biden. If Biden did something Starmer was against(Although I'm struggling to think of any examples)then he could just simply oppose it. Bernie Sanders is literally campaigning for Biden and I don't think many would say he's bound himself to a future Biden presidency.
Imo it's most likely Starmer just said anyone but Trump to please the membership during the leadership contest but now as leader he's shit scared to take a stance on anything(Even though Trump is very unpopular in Britain).
I would guess it's fairly standard for PMs & governments to refuse to endorse a particular candidate in a different country's election. I know the Irish Taoiseach said they wouldn't be endorsing any candidates in the US election, for example.
Less sure if it's normal for opposition leaders to refuse, though I can see the logic in it as it could cause some minor political difficulties were he to become PM. Maybe people from other European countries will know what their opposition leaders are doing.
Less sure if it's normal for opposition leaders to refuse, though I can see the logic in it as it could cause some minor political difficulties were he to become PM. Maybe people from other European countries will know what their opposition leaders are doing.
I don't get how this is hard to understand. Starmer explains it himself.
Glad to know he wasn't running to be the future PM during the leadership race.
It's desperate stuff Sweet. Give twitter up, seriously, it will do you good.
Cheers dad.
I'm sure his views havent changed, but isnt it just standard practice that PM and leader of the opposition dont comment on US elections?
Probably makes love to his wife in a MAGA hat for kicks and is feeling conflicted.
I’m confused. Which one of them is wearing the hat?
I see the JC after paying out for false allegations of anti-semtism in relation to Dame Ellman have now had to pay out again in relation to false allegations of abuse against Berger.
I know you're so very bothered about potential libel so a heads up considering you posted a lot about these incidents.
shouldnt this be in the jeremy corbyn antisemetic looser thread (or whatever zeitgeisty name the thread has today)
Ich nichten lichten
This is the defacto Labour thread, better than bumping old ones. I'm guessing the anti-semtism discussion is still relevant to the Labour party under Starmer, oddly don't hear too much these days.
suspect you will hear a lot about it when the EHRC report finally comes out ... hopefully soon
There's that, and the fact that even if he won an election there might not even be either Presidential candidate in the seat come 2024. Bit of a non-story.
He‘s in the hat and she’s in a Boris wig telling him to ‘bonk a bint for Brexit’