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wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy
Sksksksksk.
Even if that is the case, and I struggle to see how you can be sure of it, what options does Starmer have? Surely the first step is actually getting in to power in the first place. If the best way he can do that is to appeal to centrist Dads then he’s got to do it.
Can't see for the paywall I'm afraid. Have they got the whole manifesto or just part of it?
Yeah, I'd like a way round the paywall I must admit. For the record I am strongly in favour of school meals for all children, I'm well acquainted with schools in areas of poverty and I would give it a high priority. I don't know how much it would cost however, but I would like to think it was affordable.I was also just getting glimpses before the paywall thing came up, didn't get much.
Yeah, I'd like a way round the paywall I must admit. For the record I am strongly in favour of school meals for all children, I'm well acquainted with schools in areas of poverty and I would give it a high priority. I don't know how much it would cost however, but I would like to think it was affordable.
Even if that is the case, and I struggle to see how you can be sure of it, what options does Starmer have? Surely the first step is actually getting in to power in the first place. If the best way he can do that is to appeal to centrist Dads then he’s got to do it.
I think, if it is seen as a giveaway by the demographic that Starmer is targeting, it is important to publicly back away from it. It will help his margins. For anyone left, TINA.
Please just type Starmer.
Nope!
Please.
Starmer needs to start listening to the caf posters or he'll only be managing these 23 point leads
What evidence do you have for that optimism? Is it the constant Starmer lies/backtracking? Or him backing Tory policy but claiming he'll do it better? Maybe it's his anti democratic or authoritatian ways that you like?Yes, but you're making the assumption that he won't help people. Given how historically shit the 2019 tory lot have been anything would be an improvement on handing them an 80 seat majority, but I'm optimistic starmer will do more than just improve on the worst government we've ever seen
I really don't think there are as many centrist dads as centrist dads think there are centrist dads. Starmer will win the next election because the Tories have imploded and been utterly exposed as cnuts, Brexit is a disaster, and no one is going to vote for them, so if Labour do anything but win an outright majority, it'll be a massive failure at this point. Centrist dads or no centrist dads. But the most inevitable thing about centrist dads, is that they will absolutely convince themselves that any victory of any sort was entirely down to them, the great, wise, all conquering centrist dads, who were finally appeased by the ingenuous Labour centrist dad rallying call of doing almost absolutely nothing. For deep down that is what all centrist dads yearn to do.... That and go to Glastonbury
Who is more likely to want to undo the disaster of Brexit? The centrist dad wing of the Labour party once they have navigated their way into power
Keir Starmer has ruled out bringing back free movement of people between Britain and the EU, saying it would be a “red line” for Labour if it gets into power – despite supporting the policy just three years ago.
The Labour leader said free movement “won’t come back” if he becomes prime minister as Brexit has already happened and “ripping up” the deal would lead to years more wrangling with Brussels.
https://theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/27/keir-starmer-rules-out-return-free-movement-britain-eu
But the Labour leader argued that the big questions over EU membership, notably over the single market, customs union and free movement of people, were “arguments of the past”, and could not be revisited.
https://theguardian.com/politics/20...rexit-as-he-rules-out-rejoining-single-market
Ahh the Putin myth regurgitated. Great way to spot the misinformed posts.Who is more likely to want to undo the disaster of Brexit? The centrist dad wing of the Labour party once they have navigated their way into power, or the EU agnostic/ antagonist socialist wing with a penchant for fondling Putin's balls?
Ahh the Putin myth regurgitated. Great way to spot the misinformed posts.
Ironic considering the real Russian linked politician became PM and put the son of an ex KGB officer into the house of fecking Lords.
Let's at least get the subject of the "Russian links" question correct FFS. Otherwise what hope is there of unpicking the corrupt mess we are in.
#EndRant
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/26/boris-johnson-security-evgeny-lebedev-perugia-party
I’m not sure how we can talk about “sensible” politics while also hoping for a political outcome which is based on no evidence.Do you not expect the grown ups to start off living in political reality, then set up commissions to investigate the full impact of Brexit, then attempt to create the political landscape where more sensible policies are more politically acceptable?
Ok, it might be wishful thinking
I’m not sure how we can talk about “sensible” politics while also hoping for a political outcome which is based on no evidence.
Also tbh even if this was somehow true your saying it’s ok for politicians to lie in public as long as it potentially advances some positive future agenda.
Who is more likely to want to undo the disaster of Brexit? The centrist dad wing of the Labour party once they have navigated their way into power, or the EU agnostic/ antagonist socialist wing with a penchant for fondling Putin's balls?
Commie corbyn bad because he believes in Brexit. Centrist starmer good because he lies about believing in BrexitWhat on earth are you talking about?
Commie corbyn bad because he believes in Brexit. Centrist starmer good because he lies about believing in Brexit
Essentially.
Yeah I don’t really care about any of that. But obviously Labour should’ve been more cautious about antagonising Brexiters in 2019, which is now incredibly evident to even most centrist dads. Though they won’t admit it because they were forcefully against it at the time. It’s one of the few things Corbyn was right about. Every member of Change UK and the leader of the Lib Dem’s lost their seat.
it’s not who you are underneath (a centrist dad) it’s what you do, that defines you (put on a concert for centrist dads)Is Emily Eavis a centrist dad?
Corbyn's fence-sitting which worked well in 2017 was doomed the moment Boris got in power - reflected in the polls too. Maybe sticking to that would have helped, since obviously the election was a disaster, but I think Corbyn's Labour had no chance against a Tory party that was solidly Brexit. 2017's Labour coalition was a big youth majority with some remnants of older voters, Boris took almost all of those away, plus 2 years of tabloid attacks. The only chance was to also change leader as soon as Boris got in, but the centrists had already tried and failed that in 2016(?), and also, a pro-EU centrist would have faced some of the same problems.
Basically, from 2015 till now, under both leaderships, Labour's polling has been purely a function of the popularity of the Tory government, other than the one month before the 2017 election.
What a hilarious or moronic thing to say. I hope you're jokingWho is more likely to want to undo the disaster of Brexit? The centrist dad wing of the Labour party once they have navigated their way into power, or the EU agnostic/ antagonist socialist wing with a penchant for fondling Putin's balls?
Tory Starmer colluding with water bosses who want to create a task force to come up with ways they can prevent nationalisation and make the idea palatable to the public.
Absolute rat of a politician. How anyone can champion this version of Labour blows my mind.
https://www.standard.co.uk/business...tionalisation-labour-b1091238.html#r3z-addoor
People are increasingly terrified he's going to win. I know the hard left and the right will do their best to prevent that and attack anyone who dares to point out this common ground