Where do you think Labour is going to stand on a second Scottish Independence vote?
Other than through that issue I can't see people keeping Brexit as a major priority at the next election.
Keir Starmer Labour Leader
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Where do you think Labour is going to stand on a second Scottish Independence vote?
Other than through that issue I can't see people keeping Brexit as a major priority at the next election.
He will do something, attempt to purge the Labour party of socialist values. He is focused on that above anything else.
Causing a Labour civil war, nearly splitting the party rather than creating unity and the headlines will be about internal issues in Labour rather than holding the government to account.
Non Labour voters, potential Labour voters and Labour voters alike are sick of hearing about Labours internal politics.
I just wish Starmer would stick to his pledges when he became leader and work towards unity rather than division. It is now becoming apparent that his pledge was just a lie to get into power.
You think there'll be a meaningful public enquiry? No chance, all our institutions are toothless and not independent from government after 10 years of being undermined by the Tories. Democracy in this country is fecked.
I'd also be very surprised if house prices decline meaningfully, the government have shown a willingness to print endless money to prop up property and the stock market, why would they stop now?
Tax rises, let's see, they'll probably clobber working people a bit but ultimately who's going to stop them borrowing? Without Labour getting their act together we're heading for a spectacular fall in this country.
So it's better than the alternative that won't happen irrespective of Labours position so they have to accept it. Fecking hell
You can't see how transparent that is?
So it's better than the alternative that won't happen irrespective of Labours position so they have to accept it. Fecking hell
You can't see how transparent that is?
Like I said, there are only two realistic, principled, positions - vote for or vote against. Vote for, and you get to look statesmanlike, forwards looking and principled. Vote against, and you get to look principled but also stuck on dead arguments and a no dealer. Abstain and you look like a car crash.
Choose yer poison.
I look forward to many more rebellions from the Corbyn crowd, hopefully lots more, and will not be at all surprised if they are as illogical as this one.
Looking forward to your bemusement when this Brexit deal turns to shit and the Tories maintain their poll lead with the simple slogan of "Well, Starmer's Labour voted for it".
And yet the 'rebels' did not oppose it. They did not vote against. It's almost as if they were really just desperate to be different to Starmer isn't it? Which suits me fine
Abstaining is good enough for Starmer when it comes to the state having the power to sanction rape, murder and torture, so I can't see him being too fussed by people abstaining on something relatively trivial.And yet the 'rebels' did not oppose it. They did not vote against. It's almost as if they were really just desperate to be different to Starmer isn't it? Which suits me fine
If he wasn't such a spineless bastard on that vote he could have abstained on this one and said something along the lines of "Leave won the referendum but nobody on that campaign ran with this deal as being the result of their victory so, whilst we won't be blocking Brexit, we won't be supporting this dreadful deal". I just hope he finds the bed he's gleefully made comfortable come election time.
Hopefully a couple more and starmer can kick Mcdonnell Abbott Burgon and Wrong Dailly out of the plp
Classic Whataboutism, nice one. And 'relatively trivial' ? You've lost it with that one Dobs.
I'd personally rank state sanctioned murder, rape and torture as being less trivial than a country's relationship with a trading bloc. Your mileage may vary, of course.
Fair enough. I'll consider myself schooled on 'trivial'.
Then what’s the point of the Labour Party? We’ve already got the Liberal Democrat’s, maybe Starmer and the rest of Tory-lite should join them?
My membership says I’m a member of a democratic socialist party. Why would I support them if they’re neither democratic or socialist?
Feel free to leave and let us centrist scum win some elections
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I think I actually hate you.
The left and centre-left should unite to oust the Tories and stop the petty infighting. The couple of posts of yours I've read seem pretty devisive (however I've not troubled myself to read beyond this page).
Starmer has done a pathetic job in uniting the party so far. Any decent opposion would be miles ahead in the polls against literally the worst government this century.
Genuine question, if you are a 'centrist', why are you a supporter or member of a socialist party?
The point of the Labour party at this time is to transform itself from a party that suffered such a massive defeat to one which appeals to the majority of the British electorate.
And moving further to the left is only going to have one outcome.
There is a very good reason why Labour has not won an election since Tony Blair. And if you don't understand why then I am sorry for you.
if it tums to shit, the tories will get the blame.They can say what they like about labour but it’s boris’s shit deal and everyone knows it.
It’s a bit more complicated than moving to the centre. The loss of Labour’s Scottish seats has been a game changer. They need a plausible, free of baggage leader as Labour candidates are subject to more hostile scrutiny than their Tory counterparts but I’m not sure a back to the 90s approach will work. How do you repeat Blair’s offer of better public services and low taxes in an era of stagnation or, at best, low growth provided by keeping interest rates at close to zero?
Yeah, good luck with that.
I imagine labours calculation is that If say waiting lists go up because of staff shortages, politically it’ll be because the tories are shit and hate the health service, not brexit. Even if brexit is arguably the ultimate cause, it won’t matter as much as the shortage itself - which can still be pinned on the government.
Agreed. No one said it was going to be easy.
But that cannot stop you trying.
I do believe that Starmer has a unique appeal. And that is his quiet and sensible clarity of thought.
I am convinced that people are getting pretty fed up with Boris confusion, ineptitude and lies. Time will tell.
How are his 10 Pledges looking less than a year into his leadership?Great question. It will take clever and competent economists to answer that, and for the Labour-minded ones with an interest in social justice to boot. Those are the people that need to rise to the top in Labour.
I doubt a return to the 90s is the answer, and a return to the 70s even less so.
I really can't understand why Labour whipped their MPs to vote for it? No matter what, it was going to pass so Labour could have abstained and let it pass.
I'm just so utterly disillusioned with everything politics now.
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When has there ever been a meaningful public enquiry? Even if Starmer gets in power he lacks the conviction to follow through qith a thoeough enquiry into PPE contracts etc. unless the polls show that Tory voters want it too.
You also forgot to add that the right wing press in the UK will paper over all of these gaping cracks you have listed, which have been caused by the current government and find someone else to blame.
Yes because a divided Labour party is sure to be electable.
Like a big shiny turd. Same as the 6 checks he claimed he would use to judge any Brexit deal.
Can only assume he is trying to show the daft folk in the North that voted Tory on the basis of Brexit....it'll probably work in fairness. 'See, we listening and helped deliver a Brexit deal, now let's move on'
It's not a divided labour if they are kicked out of labour... they are just some irrelavant fringe group... if anything I think having that lot and corbyn out will make labour much more electable
I mean Boris , Gove, Mogg, Patel, Hancock or any of them could have come out with this garbage. Why doesn't he just cross the floor and join his Tory chums?
Sir Keir Starmer: UK's best years lie ahead
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55485874
Sir Keir Starmer: UK's best years lie ahead
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55485874
what do you expect from a New Years message after all the crap that’s gone on in 2020.
we have no prospects etc etc, come and vote labour, the party of doom and gloom?
Whilst I disagree and think worse is yet to come, you can hardly expect the LOTO to espouse such a negative view.
I think Starmer is doing a fantastic job. I watch PMQs every week and he has Boris scrabbling about and bluffing. His position on Corbyn (who I also admired) is spot on, Corbyn should just apologise and move on.
My worry is that many in Labour want to be right, rather than win. If the party unite on the common goal of removing the Tories from power and back Starmer, they can win the next election.
My worry is that many in Labour want to be right, rather than win. If the party unite on the common goal of removing the Tories from power and back Starmer, they can win the next election.
Sometimes I think people on here want politicians to speak exactly like they would amongst their friends.
Starmer: The UK's best years are behind it. We're a racist shithole and nobody would ever want to move here. We may as well just give up. Brexit will be a disaster but it will be a moot point anyway because climate change is coming to engulf us all in a fiery ball of death.
What exactly do you want him to say?