Owen was brought as clear third choice but he was also brought in after we failed to bring in Benzema (who wouldn't had been brought as a clear third choice). I doubt that SAF is happy about having to rely on Rooney in nearly every single game, yet we do so. So yes, the very fact that we can't allow to give rest to Rooney makes Owen a failed experiment expecially considering that the former Liverpool player had (till the time of writing) failed to impose himself against solid defenses.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Owen was brought as clear third choice but he was also brought in after we failed to bring in Benzema (who wouldn't had been brought as a clear third choice). I doubt that SAF is happy about having to rely on Rooney in nearly every single game, yet we do so. So yes, the very fact that we can't allow to give rest to Rooney makes Owen a failed experiment expecially considering that the former Liverpool player had (till the time of writing) failed to impose himself against solid defenses.
If SAF has real faith on Welbeck, Macheda and Josh King he would
a) he would not have signed Owen/Diouf in the first place( + never tried to sign Benzema)
b) he would give them more matches.
Youth talent need regular first team chances to develop and how things stand they aren't being given that.
When you are trying to cover for the loss of the best payer in the world and another world class forward in Tevez, you do. Bottom lien we wanted to strengthen our forwardline with someone of quality last summer. Our preffered choice was Benema. When that failed we added Owen. All because the master plan was to play 4-4-2. Our midfield however simply hasn't proven up to the task.
It hasn't failed in any way. Owen was drafted in to be our 3 senior striker of proven quality. A role he has played to perfection. No doubt we'd all have preferred Benzema to be here and Berbatov to have Owen's current role. But no one can honestly claim what we have now is a failed experiment. Typically pathetic comparisons again. The only thing Saha has over them 2 players is experience. Nothing else. Both are just as fast as he is, are just as good on the ball and have an eye for goal like he does. They are both as naturally talented as he is. Possibly even more so. While Heskey's natural talents are way inferior to Rooney's
Scholes and Giggs should be as good as finshed by next year unless we are extremely lucky. For they'll be 37 and 36 respectively. Yet we still heavily depend on them. Yet both Anderson and Gibson clearly lack the maturity as of now to fully take over there roles in the team. They is little doubt the old guard need proper replacing as of the start of next season.
As for the likes of Petrucci, Pogba and Eikrem, they are at least 3 years way from first team football.
I agree. It was beyond bs for me.
I have no doubt if Ruud hadn't fallen out with Fergie and Ron, he'd still be here banging in goals for us.
We have players likely to retire. We also have young players who will have to go on loan to develop and some senior one who might just leave. I'm convinced next season we will make at least 2 signings. & my money is on them being proper replacements for Scholes and Giggs, now that Edwin has signed another contract extension.
Spot on.
Only infront of a midfield that can carry the 2 of them consistently well against all opponents. We currently lack such a foursome in our ranks.
I seriously doubt Fergei can be unhappy with us relying heavily on our best player. that is what he is there for.
He imposed himself on them long before this game today. You just stubbornly fail to admit it because you dislike Owen as much as you dislike Inzaghi. That's all.
Owen wasn't brought in to perform the same role as Benzema, so any comparison is pointless.
We can give Rooney a rest, we just don't feel the need to. It's the same every season.
Correct.
Discuss.
He never imposed himself against tough defenses. His goals came against Wolfsburg's defense (whose the laughing stock of the Bundersliga), Shitty (hardly a tough defense itself) and teams like Wigan. Hardly world beaters.
PS: I rate Inzaghi as the best finisher of his generation.
Plus, Fergie knows him by now and I am sure he would give him a rest if he needed one or if he could afford leaving him out
He imposed himself against Liverpool at Anfield. Has done so twice against City and yesterday vs Villa.
Your initial claim was he disappears vs those defences.
I never said anything about you rating him or not. I just said you don't like him. That is why you said he had ''Serie C playing ability yet was doing well for himself at clubs like Juventus''... to paraphrase...PS: I rate Inzaghi as the best finisher of his generation.
Basically the same type of disrespectful stuff you often say about Owen. It's personal dislike rather than actual truth. For Owen has been proving you wrong since he arrived but you won't be caught dead or alive admitting it.
So that's your concept of hatred?
If that's the case then believe me there are many people who hate Inzaghi, which include himself (he once said that his own brother Simone is much more technically gifted then him, and Simone is no Roberto Baggio). I could have used the more politically correct 'one dimensional' phrase. Stating that Im not really a master in political correctness BS. Inzaghi is NOT a technically gifted player. He rarely beat the player, in fact his way of scoring goals is to stay very close to the opponent's last defender and try to catch them unguarded. SAF himself has stated this when he said that ''Inzaghi was born in an offside position''. That doesn't mean that he is shite. His positioning and his eye of goal is effective that makes him one of the lethal strikers ever.
Anyway I never thought that stating that a striker is the most deadly striker in his generation would be comprehended as being disrespectful.
well Hes just not playing, is it because of injury or is he in the doghouse? if the latter, a cheeky bid in the summer?
Do we need a new striker in the summer though? There are other areas that needs strengthening more IMO.
Depends, I envisage Benzema if brought in the summer was to play as a central striker in a 4-4-2 and on the left when we play 4-3-3. I think if we are going to purchase a new striker it has to be someone like that or else they like Berbatov would spend majority of big matches on the bench. Still think we could do with another match winner going forward even with Nani and Berbatov's progress.
I think we're fine when it comes to wingers, perhaps we could do with a long term replacement for Scholes and only need a defender if Vidic leaves. If we ship PIG and Foster then we probably need to buy a young ish keeper.
He's injured (groin). Due back next week apparently.
20m and its a done deal. Madrid will not get 30+ for him after the season he's had.
And I bet he feels like an idiot now.
And I bet he feels like an idiot now.
He'd be a beast in the Premiership, but I think it will be difficult to keep both him and Berbatov happy. If we went for a back-up striker this summer, I'd rather want us to go for a cheaper option.
SAF's a big admirer and if he was to be on the bench for a bit (like Berbatov this season), he'd be a better impact sub than Berbatov. At the end of the season I could see Berbatov leaving by mutual consent because I don't think he'd be happy about the limited playing time he's had in the big matches. Mind you I can't really see any other champions league club that would want him. Maybe Milan but they're skint.
I think the Premier League would suit his style of play more than La Liga, in the same way Torres is obviously more suited to the Premier League than La Liga. That said. he won't be leaving any time soon. Higuain is far more likely to leave as Perez doesn't seem to want him there as he is a reminder of the Calderon regime.
No way Berbatov is going to leave this summer.
Benzema would certainly add power and pace to the United forward line. On paper having Rooney, Benzema feeding of Valencia and Nani sounds a very tempting prospect. He'd also be very good as a lone striker in case Rooney got injured or needed a rest.
Is it cock out time yet?
Or injured. I'm not one of those who think we need a big striker signing this sumemr, but if we do go for someone I'd personally rather we spent £20-25m on Benzema than £40-45m on Villa
He can also play on the wing in a 4-3-3.
Certainly makes more financial sense (value for money) taking Villa's age into consideration.
You talk sense. I also think that apart from age alone, Benzema is more adaptable and should he need to would be equally adapt at playing on either the left or right hand side of a 4-5-1 system. With Villa we would be stuck playing 4-4-2 or be forced to move Rooney to the left wing when we wanted to play 4-5-1 (which i don't think anyone wants to see again)
Forget the pair of them. It's Pato who we should be going after if anyone.
There is something so suspect about Benzema's 'injury'
Ive only seen him play maybe half a dozen times and all of them were for lyon, looked a great prospect. So answer me this; what makes you so sure he can handle the premiership/star for united if he can't hack it at madrid?
Especially when it came at the same time as Kaka's "injury"
I have a feeling Raul has something to do with this, but it's just a feeling.
Put it this way, every game Raul must play a part in, from what I've seen this season even if the team is losing or playing teams as strong as Barca. The one time Pellergrini didn't pick him he had aot of explaining to do with the press. Now havingonly Raul to bring on for Higuain solves a huge dilema of having Benzema ready to come on who is much beter than the legendary number 7. Or maybe Benzema's injury is really bad, who knows.
Better manager who believes in his players
I don't think its a question of him not being able to hack it at Madrid. More a question of Real bought the wrong player at the wrong time. They want a team now, not in the future and although Benzema is clearly a good player, he is not a great player yet, and they are not willing to wait.
I would say Villa is more versatile than Benzema personally.
FFS just noticed there are 106 pages of this thread!!
Villa is the finished article, whilst under Ferguson Benzema could become formidable, won't happen though.
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