Kaoru Mitoma

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I'd rather we take a chance on 21 year old Koki Saito from Sparta Rotterdam than pay a huge fee for Mitoma. Saito is a diminutive player like Mitoma but is showing a very high technical level in Holland (on loan from Belgian club Lommel).

A low risk high reward type of signing.

 
Adnan said:
I'd rather we take a chance on 21 year old Koki Saito from Sparta Rotterdam than pay a huge fee for Mitoma. Saito is a diminutive player like Mitoma but is showing a very high technical level in Holland (on loan from Belgian club Lommel).

A low risk high reward type of signing.

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Considering that we have Rashford and Garnacho at lw taking a low risk transfer with potential for high reward isn't a bad idea. Obviously we have to consider our summer budget.
 
Adnan said:
I'd rather we take a chance on 21 year old Koki Saito from Sparta Rotterdam than pay a huge fee for Mitoma. Saito is a diminutive player like Mitoma but is showing a very high technical level in Holland (on loan from Belgian club Lommel).

A low risk high reward type of signing.

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Attacking players that look good in Eerdevisie are a dime a dozen. From looking at the video I can tell right away his ball control isn't tight enough to translate well into the PL.

Mitoma is impressive because he makes really hard things look easy. Only the really good players are able to do that with consistency.
 
marktan said:
Attacking players that look good in Eerdevisie are a dime a dozen. From looking at the video I can tell right away his ball control isn't tight enough to translate well into the PL.

Mitoma is impressive because he makes really hard things look easy. Only the really good players are able to do that with consistency.
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His ball ccontrol is actually of a good level already.

It's also alot easier to look good in a Brighton team with strong first phase players, which opens the game up for players in tbe final third due to their overload capabilities, which opens up extra pass options due to the system allowing a high number of players to flood the final third.
 
flappyjay said:
Considering that we have Rashford and Garnacho at lw taking a low risk transfer with potential for high reward isn't a bad idea. Obviously we have to consider our summer budget.
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Agreed. It would make more sense for us to take a low risk gamble due to us being strong on the left than to waste a substantial amount on Brighton's left sided attacker. when we really should be looking at Brighton's players who occupy positions in the first phase of the build up who could potentially elevate the collective in a area where we struggle and they're (Brighton) excelling in this season.
 
Adnan said:
His ball ccontrol is actually of a good level already.

It's also alot easier to look good in a Brighton team with strong first phase players, which opens the game up for players in tbe final third due to their overload capabilities, which opens up extra pass options due to the system allowing a high number of players to flood the final third.
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Nah it looks janky, more Pellestri level than Mitoma's smoothness. I agree with with you on Brighton's system, it's one major worry I had with Sancho and Dortmund.

But I mean special goals he's scored are just very rare goals, he has that extra touch and ability to make special things happen. The question is of course could he replicate it regularly with United. At £50m I'd happily take the gamble, at £75m becomes more iffy.
 
Vabelico said:
I'm watching Mitoma in a Chelsea game right now and I'm wondering if the scouts we're hiring are actually people who were hired by mistake. Mitoma instead of Sancho and we're a much better team. Absolutely Fantastic player.
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Brighton's owner also owns the club he played for previously in Belgium. So does a striker named Boniface who is 22 and doing well and will no doubt have some good clubs looking at him. Its said he has no involvement in the day to day etc. But if he wanted Brighton to have the player, it wouldnt have mattered if our scouts said Mitoma is incredible and we offered £80 million. So in this specific case its another example of Brighton being set up very well and less about big clubs missing out. Belgium is absolutely where we need to be scouting extensively in light of signings like this however, and identifying players who are available and cost efficient compared to some alternatives.
 
Ekeke said:
Brighton's owner also owns the club he played for previously in Belgium. So does a striker named Boniface who is 22 and doing well and will no doubt have some good clubs looking at him. Its said he has no involvement in the day to day etc. But if he wanted Brighton to have the player, it wouldnt have mattered if our scouts said Mitoma is incredible and we offered £80 million. So in this specific case its another example of Brighton being set up very well and less about big clubs missing out. Belgium is absolutely where we need to be scouting extensively in light of signings like this however, and identifying players who are available and cost efficient compared to some alternatives.
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I think their scouting ability probably covers every league in the world. For example that Paraguayan lad that scored a worldie yesterday came from the Paraguayan leave for £10m.

Probably a lot of overlap between Bloom's betting syndicate and the way they analyse data for edge and the way they identify outstanding talents.
 
Another player that is an absolute credit to brighton. Some of the players these guys get for peanuts are unbelievable.
 
Ekeke said:
Brighton's owner also owns the club he played for previously in Belgium. So does a striker named Boniface who is 22 and doing well and will no doubt have some good clubs looking at him. Its said he has no involvement in the day to day etc. But if he wanted Brighton to have the player, it wouldnt have mattered if our scouts said Mitoma is incredible and we offered £80 million. So in this specific case its another example of Brighton being set up very well and less about big clubs missing out. Belgium is absolutely where we need to be scouting extensively in light of signings like this however, and identifying players who are available and cost efficient compared to some alternatives.
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That’s not the case I’m afraid. Brighton bought Mitoma from Kawasaki Frontale after 30 goals in two seasons in the top tier in Japan. They then loaned him to USG to get a work permit. They scouted him in Japan. He has scored as many goals this season as he did last season in Belgium incidentally.
 
marktan said:
Nah it looks janky, more Pellestri level than Mitoma's smoothness. I agree with with you on Brighton's system, it's one major worry I had with Sancho and Dortmund.

But I mean special goals he's scored are just very rare goals, he has that extra touch and ability to make special things happen. The question is of course could he replicate it regularly with United. At £50m I'd happily take the gamble, at £75m becomes more iffy.
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Wait, are you talking about Mitoma or that Sparta Rotterdam player? Insanity if it's the latter. €50mn would get us some really good first team quality players.
 
renatosanches85 said:
That’s not the case I’m afraid. Brighton bought Mitoma from Kawasaki Frontale after 30 goals in two seasons in the top tier in Japan. They then loaned him to USG to get a work permit. They scouted him in Japan. He has scored as many goals this season as he did last season in Belgium incidentally.
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Ahh ok, I see
 
Think a move for this kind of player will only happen if Erik wants to sell Sancho
 
iato89 said:
Great player but we are stacked on the wings especially if Mason joins in the preseason as well! Having rashford sancho garnacho antony and mason is enough, more then enough actually!!
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Hope not!

Garnacho's contract situation is a bit concerning. If he isn't going to extend, then I'd like to see Mitoma coming in. Scrap that, if he's available just get him. He won't come cheap though.
 
Unam333 said:
Hope not!

Garnacho's contract situation is a bit concerning. If he isn't going to extend, then I'd like to see Mitoma coming in. Scrap that, if he's available just get him. He won't come cheap though.
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How would you feel about Mason turning up playing for one of our rivals next season? Other clubs seem to allow their players to continue playing in similar circumstances, eg Partey at Arsenal (and arguably Ronaldo also). As I've said before, I'd sooner give him a second chance than want an owner that is filthy rich and morally bankrupt.

Regarding Garnacho, I am starting to get a bad feeling he is not going to sign because he knows Rashford is blocking his path to regular first team starts. If he stays, we pretty much have positions 7, 10 and 11 sorted, but need cover at both 6 and 8 (particularly 6) and one or maybe even two number 9s. That is why I can't see us spending big on a LW as at worst, cover for Rashford.
 
Erik the Red said:
How would you feel about Mason turning up playing for one of our rivals next season? Other clubs seem to allow their players to continue playing in similar circumstances, eg Partey at Arsenal (and arguably Ronaldo also). As I've said before, I'd sooner give him a second chance than want an owner that is filthy rich and morally bankrupt.

Regarding Garnacho, I am starting to get a bad feeling he is not going to sign because he knows Rashford is blocking his path to regular first team starts. If he stays, we pretty much have positions 7, 10 and 11 sorted, but need cover at both 6 and 8 (particularly 6) and one or maybe even two number 9s. That is why I can't see us spending big on a LW as at worst, cover for Rashford.
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This is not the place for a discussion, but to keep it short, for all I care he can go to Liverpool or City and light up the PL, winning numerous trophies with them. Why turn a blind eye? Just because he plays football really well? Hopefully he stays a footnote in United's history.
 
Erik the Red said:
How would you feel about Mason turning up playing for one of our rivals next season? Other clubs seem to allow their players to continue playing in similar circumstances, eg Partey at Arsenal (and arguably Ronaldo also). As I've said before, I'd sooner give him a second chance than want an owner that is filthy rich and morally bankrupt.

Regarding Garnacho, I am starting to get a bad feeling he is not going to sign because he knows Rashford is blocking his path to regular first team starts. If he stays, we pretty much have positions 7, 10 and 11 sorted, but need cover at both 6 and 8 (particularly 6) and one or maybe even two number 9s. That is why I can't see us spending big on a LW as at worst, cover for Rashford.
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Couldn't give a flying f*ck where that woman beater goes when he hopefully leaves in the summer.
 
Mitoma vs Wan Bizooka this weekend will be a clash of kings
 
DWelbz19 said:
Mitoma vs Wan Bizooka this weekend will be a clash of kings
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The key with Mitoma, as with most dangerous wingers, is doubling up. Antony is going to need to work hard going back, and Mitoma is going to need to work just as hard defensively.

It will be an interesting battle. If AWB gets isolated, he might be in a spot of bother. Quick as he is, Mitoma thrives on 1 vs 1’s with the ball at his feet and will fancy himself against anyone, no matter how fast they are.
 
UTAretro said:
The key with Mitoma, as with most dangerous wingers, is doubling up. Antony is going to need to work hard going back, and Mitoma is going to need to work just as hard defensively.

It will be an interesting battle. If AWB gets isolated, he might be in a spot of bother. Quick as he is, Mitoma thrives on 1 vs 1’s with the ball at his feet and will fancy himself against anyone, no matter how fast they are.
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AWB wouldn't have it any other way. It's not his speed that bothers tricky wingers it's his long legs.
 
flappyjay said:
AWB wouldn't have it any other way. It's not his speed that bothers tricky wingers it's his long legs.
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I never doubt his lunging tackles. He is so good at them and they seem to always surprise me, even when you know it is coming.
 
I'd like us to buy this fella. We'd be a bit inundated on the left side, but if we buy a new striker, Rashford could be backup there, while rotating with Mitoma on the left most of the time. Would mean Rashford can actually rest when he needs it and I think proper competition would be good for him.

Can't see it happening with Sancho being in the mix, but that he's still to prove himself means we may end up going a whole nother season with the same rollercoaster of woeful to half decent performances from him.
 
I don’t think Mitoma had his best game today, he lost possession frequently and got zero change out of Wan-Bissaka, who was superb. Felt he was fortunate to stay on the pitch with his late challenge on the keeper - both incidents were from overrunning the ball when dribbling - which is his usually his raison d’être.

That said, he is an outstanding footballer and currently said to be in contract talks over an extension and significant pay rise - but even without this, he will be comfortably in the £60m+ bracket.

Without a takeover from an incredibly wealthy owner, I fail to see how your club could afford every player linked (however tangentially) to you.

Caicedo (£75m-£105m), Mac Allister (£60m+), Mitoma (£60m+) and Ferguson (who knows!) would be an astronomical outlay for a club which is over £600m in structured debt at the time of writing.

I realise nobody is seriously suggesting this of course, but there needs to be realism about which players are realistic transfers for the fees required.
 
UTAretro said:
I don’t think Mitoma had his best game today, he lost possession frequently and got zero change out of Wan-Bissaka, who was superb. Felt he was fortunate to stay on the pitch with his late challenge on the keeper - both incidents were from overrunning the ball when dribbling - which is his usually his raison d’être.

That said, he is an outstanding footballer and currently said to be in contract talks over an extension and significant pay rise - but even without this, he will be comfortably in the £60m+ bracket.

Without a takeover from an incredibly wealthy owner, I fail to see how your club could afford every player linked (however tangentially) to you.

Caicedo (£75m-£105m), Mac Allister (£60m+), Mitoma (£60m+) and Ferguson (who knows!) would be an astronomical outlay for a club which is over £600m in structured debt at the time of writing.

I realise nobody is seriously suggesting this of course, but there needs to be realism about which players are realistic transfers for the fees required.
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I think we'll be priced out of Caicedo because Ten Hag will want more of a passing #8 and maybe a cheap #6, whereas a team like Liverpool can basically build their midfield around him. 90M+ for him.

Mac Allister I think will end up going for a bit less than 60, as he's sort of a tweener between a #10 and #8 and 3 years left.

Ferguson I have no idea, I don't really see why he'd leave yet. Beating out Welbeck and being a solid Prem starter and having Ireland built around him seems like enough for a youngster for the next couple years. But I guess it depends on if he signs an extension.

Mitoma it depends on if he signs a contract. If he's done in 2025 and doesn't sign an extension then maybe he goes in 2024 with a year left for like 50M but if he signs a long-term deal I'd assume he stays and develops and goes for a huge fee like Caicedo.

So, for United, my guess is we don't sign any Brighton players this summer and maybe try to tap up Ferguson to not sign a deal and buy him next summer. Mac Allister maybe as a plan B at #8 if De Jong and others fall through.
 
NoPace said:
I think we'll be priced out of Caicedo because Ten Hag will want more of a passing #8 and maybe a cheap #6, whereas a team like Liverpool can basically build their midfield around him. 90M+ for him.

Mac Allister I think will end up going for a bit less than 60, as he's sort of a tweener between a #10 and #8 and 3 years left.

Ferguson I have no idea, I don't really see why he'd leave yet. Beating out Welbeck and being a solid Prem starter and having Ireland built around him seems like enough for a youngster for the next couple years. But I guess it depends on if he signs an extension.

Mitoma it depends on if he signs a contract. If he's done in 2025 and doesn't sign an extension then maybe he goes in 2024 with a year left for like 50M but if he signs a long-term deal I'd assume he stays and develops and goes for a huge fee like Caicedo.

So, for United, my guess is we don't sign any Brighton players this summer and maybe try to tap up Ferguson to not sign a deal and buy him next summer. Mac Allister maybe as a plan B at #8 if De Jong and others fall through.
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A couple of little corrections if I may, Evan Ferguson actually signed a new contract on his 18th birthday in October 2022. He is under contract until June 2026. Rumours are that he is in negotiations to sign another new contract, presumably to make his wage reflect his value to the team.

And no, Brighton do not ever include release clauses for any of their players.

Ferguson is very unlikely to go anywhere, short of someone making a completely outrageous offer for an 18 year old with half a season’s professional level playing experience.

Mitoma is under contract until June 2025, but the club have an additional one year option.
 
UTAretro said:
I don’t think Mitoma had his best game today, he lost possession frequently and got zero change out of Wan-Bissaka, who was superb. Felt he was fortunate to stay on the pitch with his late challenge on the keeper - both incidents were from overrunning the ball when dribbling - which is his usually his raison d’être.

That said, he is an outstanding footballer and currently said to be in contract talks over an extension and significant pay rise - but even without this, he will be comfortably in the £60m+ bracket.

Without a takeover from an incredibly wealthy owner, I fail to see how your club could afford every player linked (however tangentially) to you.

Caicedo (£75m-£105m), Mac Allister (£60m+), Mitoma (£60m+) and Ferguson (who knows!) would be an astronomical outlay for a club which is over £600m in structured debt at the time of writing.

I realise nobody is seriously suggesting this of course, but there needs to be realism about which players are realistic transfers for the fees required.
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I think most united fans respect what your saying but the reality is Caciedo is 21 and Macalister are 26, both from South America and you probably as a club have 15/16th highest wage bill in the PL at £65m, I’m guessing both are on max of 50-60k per week, Caciedo nearly went on strike to force a transfer to Arsenal or Chelsea for £75m transfer and you quickly gave him a new contract.

And while I agree you don’t need to sell, players become huge problems when a really big club like United come in and offer wages of between £150 and 200k per week especially to a 21 year old. For the record the debt means very little to united ability this summer to operate in the transfer window however fair that may or may not seem, Huge Turnover allows huge expenditure especially when transfer value are amortised over the cost of the contract. You might want £80m in 4 payments for Caciedo, you may want £90m but United give you £80m upfront in one payment and amortise the cost of 5 years at £16m per year and then we sell Brandon Williams and Anthony Elanga at £8m each so £16m because we never paid a penny for either and they are brought through youth set up that combined £16m sale would cancel out buying Caciedo on FFP and the club can spend up to 90% of their turnover £600m on Wages, Transfer and Agents Fees.

I can see Liverpool and United taking both in the summer just don’t know which club gets Caciedo and which gets Macalister, we’ll probably send A Dialo on loan to sweeten the deal and he’s already as good as March with a higher ceiling.
 
Woziak said:
I can see Liverpool and United taking both in the summer just don’t know which club gets Caciedo and which gets Macalister, we’ll probably send A Dialo on loan to sweeten the deal and he’s already as good as March with a higher ceiling
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In what world is Amad already as good as March. He is in the championship we don't know his level in the prem.
 
It's a shame Ferguson and this guy didn't play yesterday. Could've been a more interesting game if both teams were at full strength.
 
I hope he stays. We don’t have room for him, unless Garnacho doesn’t sign a new contract.
 
flappyjay said:
In what world is Amad already as good as March. He is in the championship we don't know his level in the prem.
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Which one has a champions league goal against Juventus, it’s easy to forget Amad is still only 20 and has 12 goals this season for a mid table team, shown character to be one of their leaders, at 20 March had just left Lewes in the Ismian League to join Brighton and spent 4 years in the championship, Amad will spend 2 at most.

Brighton only came up 4/5 years ago and he’s been very good this season but this is his peak at 28/29, his absolute best and yet he still not making an England Squad why ?
If we put this Seasons Amad in United and gave him some of all of Elanga’s minutes , sone of Antony and a lot of Sancho’s, I’m convinced we see similar 6 goals and 7 assists which March has this season.
 
Lucky boy to not be sent off yesterday. Would've been a big advantage for us going into extra time.
 
He’s a bit of a feather weight to make it at the top level yet. While his dribbling is great, he’s not really explosive with it, there’s a lot of shuffling and quick feet but nothing like prime Ronaldo or anything who would turn people inside out with the sheer pace of his step overs. Seemed like he faded out of the game once he was doubled up on and given some rough treatment.

Think he’ll probably have a better season next year once he gets used to the league more.
 
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