Jurriën Timber | Arsenal player

11101 said:
Arteta can blame nobody but himself for that. Stupid not to take him off at half time.
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Actually, the physio gives and gave the all clear in this case. But yes, they should have taken him off as a precaution.

This lad was looking like our best signing...gutted. It has taken a bit of the excitement off from the start of the new season for me.
 
Changeisgood said:
Actually, the physio gives and gave the all clear in this case. But yes, they should have taken him off as a precaution.

This lad was looking like our best signing...gutted. It has taken a bit of the excitement off from the start of the new season for me.
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I mean, I’m a United fan and even I’m gutted about this. Can’t imagine how Arsenal fans must feel. Lad is only 22, gets his dream move (well, dream move would be United, but anyway…..), looks the business from the moment he gets on the field; then this happens first game. Awful!

How he was allowed to go back out for the second half. When they had 15 minutes to assess him in the dressing room, is beyond me. fecking criminal.
 
simonhch said:
I mean, I’m a United fan and even I’m gutted about this. Can’t imagine how Arsenal fans must feel. Lad is only 22, gets his dream move (well, dream move would be United, but anyway…..), looks the business from the moment he gets on the field; then this happens first game. Awful!

How he was allowed to go back out for the second half. When they had 15 minutes to assess him in the dressing room, is beyond me. fecking criminal.
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Kudos. I appreciate your answer and I know that is the way most supporters feel regardless of their club allegiance. Chelski is a club I really dislike but I am gutted for Nkunku similarly.
 
simonhch said:
I mean, I’m a United fan and even I’m gutted about this. Can’t imagine how Arsenal fans must feel. Lad is only 22, gets his dream move (well, dream move would be United, but anyway…..), looks the business from the moment he gets on the field; then this happens first game. Awful!

How he was allowed to go back out for the second half. When they had 15 minutes to assess him in the dressing room, is beyond me. fecking criminal.
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Seen this getting shared about, can be hard to determine ACL tear if not ruptured.

 
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GoonerBear said:
To be fair, guy seems to run an injury rehab clinic in the States.
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I'm not doubting his credentials. It's just hard to know exactly what happened and the exact injury just from a brief clip of the incident...

I remember when Martinez got injured for us the end of last season, twitter docs were saying he ruptured his achilles. Thankfully it wasn't as bad as that and hopefully it's not as bad for Timber and it isn't a full rupture or tear.
 
Changeisgood said:
Actually, the physio gives and gave the all clear in this case. But yes, they should have taken him off as a precaution.

This lad was looking like our best signing...gutted. It has taken a bit of the excitement off from the start of the new season for me.
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Sorry mate, hate that for any player, any squad. He'll come back strong.
 
simonhch said:
I mean, I’m a United fan and even I’m gutted about this. Can’t imagine how Arsenal fans must feel. Lad is only 22, gets his dream move (well, dream move would be United, but anyway…..), looks the business from the moment he gets on the field; then this happens first game. Awful!

How he was allowed to go back out for the second half. When they had 15 minutes to assess him in the dressing room, is beyond me. fecking criminal.
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Ugh, 1st I have heard of this , I did not see the match. Awful.
 
Cantonagotmehere said:
Ugh, 1st I have heard of this , I did not see the match. Awful.
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He took a knock right at the end of the first half to his knee, was in a lot of pain. They went in for half time. He came back out for the second half and after a few minutes he just went down off the ball. ACL.

I get how an ACL injury hurts like hell at first then briefly feels better, and then when you try and do any sort of twisting motion or whatever, it gives way. But a proper assessment at half time would surely have revealed that not everything was okay. Any kind of proprioceptive testing would’ve raised some concerns and had him withdrawn as a precaution. Hate to think that this might have been made considerably worse than it needed to be.

Reminded me of Romero the other head. Guy took a big blow to the head, was clearly briefly disorientated. Concussion protocols demanded he be subbed off, but he was allowed to continue. A few minutes later he scored with a bullet header but immediately felt concussed afterwards and had to be subbed off. They gave Ange all these plaudits for immediately subbing off his goalscorer and key Center back, at least on American TV. Going on about what a guy he was. But all I could think was “how the feck was he allowed to continue in the first place?”. Of course they subbed him off when he felt concussed after completing a header, but he must have already been concussed for that to have happened. That sort of shit can have long term consequences for people’s’ health.

Not a good look this weekend for PL medical teams.
 
11101 said:
Arteta can blame nobody but himself for that. Stupid not to take him off at half time.
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I played football with someone who injured their ACL and played almost an entire half of football. They only realized the knee was injured when he tried walking up a flight of stairs for some water. With certain injuries there's absolutely no way you can properly know that you're injured, until your body/blood cools down. You can't blame a manager for not taking a player off if the physios say it's okay. You need to trust people to do their jobs and sometimes you get one or two things wrong. No one's at fault here.
 
simonhch said:
He took a knock right at the end of the first half to his knee, was in a lot of pain. They went in for half time. He came back out for the second half and after a few minutes he just went down off the ball. ACL.

I get how an ACL injury hurts like hell at first then briefly feels better, and then when you try and do any sort of twisting motion or whatever, it gives way. But a proper assessment at half time would surely have revealed that not everything was okay. Any kind of proprioceptive testing would’ve raised some concerns and had him withdrawn as a precaution. Hate to think that this might have been made considerably worse than it needed to be.

Reminded me of Romero the other head. Guy took a big blow to the head, was clearly briefly disorientated. Concussion protocols demanded he be subbed off, but he was allowed to continue. A few minutes later he scored with a bullet header but immediately felt concussed afterwards and had to be subbed off. They gave Ange all these plaudits for immediately subbing off his goalscorer and key Center back, at least on American TV. Going on about what a guy he was. But all I could think was “how the feck was he allowed to continue in the first place?”. Of course they subbed him off when he felt concussed after completing a header, but he must have already been concussed for that to have happened. That sort of shit can have long term consequences for people’s’ health.

Not a good look this weekend for PL medical teams.
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Thanks for the info. My daughter did her ACL and had to have 2 surgeries, I totally get what you are talking about.
 
I guess my question here is would it have mattered if they had taken him off? I don't really know anything about it, and it sounds like some of you certainly have more of an idea. Does it aggrevate it by putting an ounce more pressure on it and are you supposed to go on crutches right away? Just seems like it was inevitable from the first incident onwards.
 
This kid is/was a supreme athlete, you have to hope that remains the case as that athleticism is a major part of his game.
 
To lose a full season at his age must be mentally crushing. So much uncertainty of how you’ll come back and recover your level when what you needed to do was develop from where you already were.
 
I just got my knee diagnosed and i have a meniscus tear. I am feeling horrible. I can't imagine what this guy must be feeling.
 
simonhch said:
He took a knock right at the end of the first half to his knee, was in a lot of pain. They went in for half time. He came back out for the second half and after a few minutes he just went down off the ball. ACL.

I get how an ACL injury hurts like hell at first then briefly feels better, and then when you try and do any sort of twisting motion or whatever, it gives way. But a proper assessment at half time would surely have revealed that not everything was okay. Any kind of proprioceptive testing would’ve raised some concerns and had him withdrawn as a precaution. Hate to think that this might have been made considerably worse than it needed to be.

Reminded me of Romero the other head. Guy took a big blow to the head, was clearly briefly disorientated. Concussion protocols demanded he be subbed off, but he was allowed to continue. A few minutes later he scored with a bullet header but immediately felt concussed afterwards and had to be subbed off. They gave Ange all these plaudits for immediately subbing off his goalscorer and key Center back, at least on American TV. Going on about what a guy he was. But all I could think was “how the feck was he allowed to continue in the first place?”. Of course they subbed him off when he felt concussed after completing a header, but he must have already been concussed for that to have happened. That sort of shit can have long term consequences for people’s’ health.

Not a good look this weekend for PL medical teams.
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When I tore my ACL there was no pain at all, just an audible crack and things felt weird. I don’t think that’s particularly uncommon for there not to be any pain.
I came back on for 3 minutes and then completely broke down. Our physio was not in the same league as Arsenal’s though I wouldn’t have thought.
 
Changeisgood said:
Actually, the physio gives and gave the all clear in this case. But yes, they should have taken him off as a precaution.

This lad was looking like our best signing...gutted. It has taken a bit of the excitement off from the start of the new season for me.
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Do you trust them? We've all seen managers put physios under pressure and Arteta is no wallflower. The default question always seems to be 'can he carry on' over 'is he ok'.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
I just got my knee diagnosed and i have a meniscus tear. I am feeling horrible. I can't imagine what this guy must be feeling.
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I recovered from one last season, at the ripe old age of 38 (39 now). Happened on the soccer field. Took me a good couple months to recover, so don’t rush it. I spent more time strengthening the legs and muscles around the knee again during rehab and this season I’ve been alright - injury free (touch wood). Shitty/frustrating thing to go through but yeah, can’t imagine a full ACL tear. Speedy recovery bud, to you and Timber.
 
People comparing their own ACL injuries to the one here (where he should have had the top physios in the profession looking at him at half time) is downright strange.
 
Is there much of a difference in recovering from a full or a partial ACL tear?
 
Rooney in Paris said:
People comparing their own ACL injuries to the one here (where he should have had the top physios in the profession looking at him at half time) is downright strange.
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Genuine question - is there a difference in feeling a twinge/sore knee and getting your ACL done? Most players play on with the pain, most certainly at their level.
 
So they need defenders? We have plenty, take your pick arsenal. Maguire, Bailly. Heck we might even throw in a midfielder too.
 
Too many ACL and knee injuries recently. Good luck in his recovery.
 
Pronewbie said:
Genuine question - is there a difference in feeling a twinge/sore knee and getting your ACL done? Most players play on with the pain, most certainly at their level.
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No two injuries that cause an ACL tear are the same. The ligament can be partially or completely torn (partial tear hurts more than complete) and there's a load of associated injuries that may or may not happen, with varying effects in terms of pain and function. There can be joint capsule damage, damage to the meniscus (cartilage), tibial plate fracture, damage to other knee ligaments (PCL, LCL, MCL) etc
 
Pogue Mahone said:
No two injuries that cause an ACL tear are the same. The ligament can be partially or completely torn (partial tear hurts more than complete) and there's a load of associated injuries that may or may not happen, with varying effects in terms of pain and function. There can be joint capsule damage, damage to the meniscus (cartilage), tibial plate fracture, damage to other knee ligaments (PCL, LCL, MCL) etc
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Right, so there's almost no way of knowing. Then it's harsh to blame the physios/Arteta then.
 
Pronewbie said:
Genuine question - is there a difference in feeling a twinge/sore knee and getting your ACL done? Most players play on with the pain, most certainly at their level.
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I think it's the opposite, maybe if this was a knock out game or end of the season you'd risk it but you can always feel when there's an issue. You don't know how bad it might be but knee pain/strain is always very obvious compared to a knock or similar.
 
Pronewbie said:
Right, so there's almost no way of knowing. Then it's harsh to blame the physios/Arteta then.
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People need someone to blame. The severity of his condition probably went unnoticed during HT but when you lead 2-0 and your brand new 50M player goes down, just don't risk it whatever the player is telling you.
There was plenty of capable cover on the bench and i dread to see how far we'd push Saka if he was in that situation. It already happened (without consequences) and the lack of cover for him is a double worry.
 
Ish said:
I recovered from one last season, at the ripe old age of 38 (39 now). Happened on the soccer field. Took me a good couple months to recover, so don’t rush it. I spent more time strengthening the legs and muscles around the knee again during rehab and this season I’ve been alright - injury free (touch wood). Shitty/frustrating thing to go through but yeah, can’t imagine a full ACL tear. Speedy recovery bud, to you and Timber.
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Ty so much! Hoping an injury free time for you too :)
 
The Purley King said:
When I tore my ACL there was no pain at all, just an audible crack and things felt weird. I don’t think that’s particularly uncommon for there not to be any pain.
I came back on for 3 minutes and then completely broke down. Our physio was not in the same league as Arsenal’s though I wouldn’t have thought.
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Same thing for me. An audible crack and my right leg giving way slightly. I played on for about half an hour until the end of the 5-a-side session. I distinctly remember feeling my leg "extending" at the knee whenever I ran. End of session and still no pain. Rode my motorcycle home even.

Next morning though, woke up unable to bend my knee. Was referred to a specialist, who explained the reason why the knee couldn't bend was either a splinter of my torn ligament was in the way, or the swelling inside prevented it from bending. Torn ACL, slight tears on mensicus. Scheduled a reconstruction surgery the next week. Couldn't play football for almost a year.

Funny thing about people who've torn their ACLs, there's a sense of camaderie whenever we discuss our injuries that others who've not gone through finds weird. :lol:
 
Super stud. Great player. Wish he could’ve played last season and things may have been different for Arsenal
 
Hate Arsenal with a passion but feck me, what an absolute tank of a player. Did we sign the wrong player in Lisandro?
 
He's solid. Reminds me of Lisandro Martinez. Not the tallest, but makes up for it with sheer grit and passion. Also very good on the ball.
 
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