Hope they keep Brenton, I can absolutely see him going to that lot unfortunately otherwise.
Jurgen Klopp
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Wenger retiring on a high with 2 FA Cups in a row?
Really cant see it happening, Wenger will have another 2 years left on his contract and i cant see their board paying him to leave (would be in the region of £25+m?). Then again if he wins the FA cup he may feel the time is right, given the stick hes got the last few seasons from Asnl fans it wouldnt be surprising.
Would be a risky gamble but I think it would pay off for Asnl in a big way
The other morning on Talksport, Alan Brazil asked a German journalist if Klopp might consider Newcastle. Not sure if Brazil had been on the sauce the night before, but no was the unsurprising response.
Liverpool fans are really keen on getting him it seems, would be amazed if they got anyway near him though, plus could they afford to pay off Rodgers, and give Klopp a good transfer Kitty with this stadium expansion going on.
As for Arsenal I just can't see Wenger going, but then again I couldn't see Fergie going, so maybe he'll end up at Arsenal, would be good to see him in the prem somewhere.
As for Arsenal I just can't see Wenger going, but then again I couldn't see Fergie going, so maybe he'll end up at Arsenal, would be good to see him in the prem somewhere.
Unless wenger fancies becoming director of football?
He´d accept an offer from liverpool.
Don't think he'd go to liverpool. The current top four are so far ahead financially itd be a nightmare to try and break into it.
Even if Rodgers did go it wouldnt be a big name whod take over. Rafa, Gary Monk, De Boer. Someone like that.
Even if Rodgers did go it wouldnt be a big name whod take over. Rafa, Gary Monk, De Boer. Someone like that.
He'd 100 % take Arsenal over Liverpool, it's surely only a matter of time before Wenger goes, yes they're doing well now but it doesn't take much to get the 'Has Wenger taken us as far as we can' thread going again on the Arsenal forums, my money would be on Arsenal all day long.
yes he´d prefer Arsenal but Wenger wont leave this summer and Klopp doesnt want to wait a year. If its liverpool or a year off, he´ll accept their offer.
If Wenger does retire in the next year or two, his successor will have no excuses. One of the best stadiums in the country, no club debt, and an extremely talented set of young players across the pitch.
As C'est Moi Cantona said, if it were between Arsenal and us, Arsenal would be a no-brainer.
As C'est Moi Cantona said, if it were between Arsenal and us, Arsenal would be a no-brainer.
Whatever your opinion of him Rafa is a big name. And yeah No brainer for klopp in regards to Arsenal over us.
I'd pay for his ticket back to Ireland.
I'm not claiming to be some sort of football mastermind - In fact my indepth knowledge of the game is probably less than the majority of fans on this site, but I know that playing players in their natural positions is a good thing, and starting a cup semi-final without a striker on the pitch is a stupid fecking thing to do
That is what Bayern did last season in the cup finals against Dortmund - and they won...
You're talking about one of if not the strongest squads in world football with one of the greatest managers of the past 30 years at the helm.
No sane world class manager would take the Liverpool job if a one year sabbatical would lead them to a better job. The Liverpool job is one of the most ridiculous job in football with the expectations of the fans and clubs not aligned with the reality of their team. The manager is basically set up to fail and failing at such a prominent club is potentially a career killer.
He's really not. Not exactly thriving at Napoli, and I wouldn't imagine there will be a host of clubs after him when he goes.
Istanbul was almost 10 years ago, he can't live off that forever.
No top club will ever see Rafa as one of the main candidates when they have a managerial vacancy (bar Liverpool maybe, even if they did, it would be b/c he's managed them in the past). I don't see how Rafa can be counted as a big name. I do agree that he's a good manager despite my dislike for him, but to think he's a big name is a bit of a stretch.
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I doubt that. It will be the same shit again, having to compete against teams with significantly budget than his own team (except that this time, there will be four teams instead of one). So unless Klopp has a weird form of masochism (or doesn't get offers from richer/bigger clubs than Liverpool) I doubt that he'll go there.
Klopp to Arsenal seems far more possible if Wenger decides to retire (or become director of football). O think that him to Arsenal/City would be kind of scary.
He's a big name, but not that big. He hasn't won a league title in more than 10 years (actually has finished as runners up only once since he went to Liverpool 11 years ago). He did great to win UCL in 2005, but then again, Di Matteo did the same. I am not saying that Di Matteo is near as good as him (far from it) but Benitez stock IMO isn't that high and Liverpool's fans have a very inflated opinion on him.
What an idiot! I hear that Blackpool might be looking for a new manager, might Pep consider it if he leaves Bayern?
If what Rafael Honigstein says is correct(that Klopp had an offer from United) then surely he must have been regretting that decision right now?
Also i'm not sure why Man City are thinking to wait for Guardiola rather than hiring Klopp straightway. I don't think there's too much difference between them as am managers. I'd like to see Klopp manage a club with big resources. Maybe AC Milan if they get taken over by Chinese?
Also i'm not sure why Man City are thinking to wait for Guardiola rather than hiring Klopp straightway. I don't think there's too much difference between them as am managers. I'd like to see Klopp manage a club with big resources. Maybe AC Milan if they get taken over by Chinese?
Bild's mentioning today that Kloppo's dream is coaching Manchester United*.
*their source is infallible The Sun and their mind readers who are probably sitting in Kloppo's occiput.
*their source is infallible The Sun and their mind readers who are probably sitting in Kloppo's occiput.
Regarding the City link, I read yesterday that City spoke to Klopp in 2013 about replacing Mancini, but they want a Barça type playing style and didn't deem his suitable because of his predominantly counterattacking game. Not saying what I read is true.
Ah okay that seems fair enough. However there are reports that they want Vieira to take over until Guardiola joins them which would be utter stupidity on their part. An average manager can take a club back for atleast two years as we're seeing now with the Moyes/United disaster.
I'd agree with that he's hailed as the second coming of Jesus by a vast majority of our fan-base, but the man wins trophies and has done throughout his career and has generally done well with unfancied teams i.e. us and Valencia. Some proven pedigree and in all honesty the highest caliber of manager we could attract unless Klopp really wants to attempt to repeat his Dortmund success with us. Just looking at it objectively, I don't think it's as bad a choice as some think it might be, although I'd rather we stuck with Rodgers who for all his European and Cup faults has generally done well in the league. He's got huge strides to make next season for sure but I'd rather FSG delay pulling the plug on him till after next season. ( All dependent on them pulling there finger out and helping us buy a striker)
It is not bad at all, to be fair. If he has the energy to go into an another rebuilding phase, he would be a decent choice.
Saying that, I think that you should try a more 'novel' approach. If Klopp is available, you should really get him.
Not necessarily. At a club like City, the manager is just another employee for now at least. Barcelona are the same for example and they regularly get away with hiring non-elite managers. Our problem was with Moyes is that we put all our eggs on the manager so when that man couldn't do the job, we were in trouble. I wouldn't apply the same scenario to City at all.
Arsenal really should go for him but it depends on Wenger I suppose?
Also a Premier League with Mourinho, Klopp and van Gaal would see English football return to the top, in my opinion.
The truth is a bit in between with Rafa. His problem is that his style is so unattractive and his sides don't really play with any distinct personality, he is a pragmatist. Mourinho is a much more successful version of him and he still gets a lot of criticism. So even the best version of what Benitez offers barely gets away with that cautious first approach. That is why I think Benitez is judged too harshly compared to someone like Klopp. Objectively, they both have more or less the same record, if anything, Rafa's is better but style and charisma is massive in the game and Benitez scores so little on that front.
According to that Greek chap from The Sun, and Sunday supplement his dream job is United, he'd consider Liverpool but turn down Arsenal, and City.
He should have made himself available this time last year we'd have been all over him like a rash, the ship has sadly sailed for us for the time being, if he takes then Liverpool job it has sailed forever.
He should have made himself available this time last year we'd have been all over him like a rash, the ship has sadly sailed for us for the time being, if he takes then Liverpool job it has sailed forever.
Thats pretty unlikely, considering what he said about Arsenal/Wenger in the past.
I'd always wanted him to come to Arsenal to replace Wenger, as they both seem to run their clubs in a similar fashion. You know Klopp would appreciate a club that would allow him to have the space and time he needs to implement his ethos on the playing group and the staff.
However I would be loath to see Wenger leave - he has done so much for Arsenal and any future success we (hopefully) achieve can be traced back to the sacrifices he had made through our transition period. Very very few managers (in fact I think only SAF could do it) could oversee such a transition to a new stadium, being forced to generate income from player sales and losing key players season after season - whilst delivering the minimum of a top four finish. This achievement is severely overlooked. Anyway, I digress.
IF and only IF Wenger was happy to take a step-back and oversee things from behind the scenes then in that situation could I see Klopp being approached to take over.
However I would be loath to see Wenger leave - he has done so much for Arsenal and any future success we (hopefully) achieve can be traced back to the sacrifices he had made through our transition period. Very very few managers (in fact I think only SAF could do it) could oversee such a transition to a new stadium, being forced to generate income from player sales and losing key players season after season - whilst delivering the minimum of a top four finish. This achievement is severely overlooked. Anyway, I digress.
IF and only IF Wenger was happy to take a step-back and oversee things from behind the scenes then in that situation could I see Klopp being approached to take over.
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There's an absolutely minuscule part of me that wouldn't begrudge Wenger a league title before he retires for exactly the reasons you list. In a League that has suffered considerable financial doping he maintained the Top 4 standard during a time where it was incredibly difficult and incredibly crucial.
It's easy to laugh at Arsenal and the "Top 4 Cup" and claim its a lack of ambition but the real truth was that Wenger and the board had to meticulously balance the books by selling a top player each season while still bringing in Champions League money to ensure a stable future that will likely bare fruits long after Wenger has gone. That's hugely commendable in my books.
You have to ask what we would have won in the same scenario.
If we sold Fletcher in 06, Saha in 07, Evra in 08, Ronaldo 09, Ferdinand 10, Carrick 11 eat ect
Not sure about the last two sentences, as that again takes us into "what if" territory that I don't like. But the first two paras I agree with. I can't think of another manager who'd have been able to keep us in the CL throughout these financially restrained years. Klopp at Dortmund was fantastic but the effect of selling star players (with no financial restrictions) was too big for him to keep the club in the CL this season. This could be a one-off but Wenger has never had that kind of a dip. To consistently keep us in the CL and get us to this stage where we're in the hunt for trophies for the past two seasons is a big achievement.
I never was in the Wenger out bandwagon, not even once. For me the man has earned the right to leave when he wants to. In fact I fear that once he leaves we could lose our top four place and stability at the club. Klopp was my pick for replacing Wenger too but after this season I am not sure if he's the best choice. Still, we have at least two more years with Arsene in charge and a lot can change by the time we're actually looking for a new manager. We'll see what happens.
It would be foolish to get Wenger go. This is basically his last squad, so they better off letting him see out the project rather than getting someone else in.
With the squad Dortmund had, I know they had injuries, but so do most top teams. They should really have been in the champions league places.
Now imagine if he gets the same sort of injuries at Arsenal, I don't think he would be guaranteed to get a champions league spot. Even with injuries you are guaranteed with Wenger a spot.
For me, I'd love him to go PSG or Napoli. Do well there and maybe in the future after Van Gaal he could be in consideration again.
With the squad Dortmund had, I know they had injuries, but so do most top teams. They should really have been in the champions league places.
Now imagine if he gets the same sort of injuries at Arsenal, I don't think he would be guaranteed to get a champions league spot. Even with injuries you are guaranteed with Wenger a spot.
For me, I'd love him to go PSG or Napoli. Do well there and maybe in the future after Van Gaal he could be in consideration again.
Well said.
Seeing that thread I am somehow surprised how less it is about the tactics and the way Dortmund was set up when they were successful. Or what kind of coach Klopp is.
I can see a Tuchel following van Gaal if it is a German coach but Klopp is a totally different kind of coach and uses a different approach. We think that Tuchel - apart from the differences as a media person where he is more the intellectual and intelligent talker and not the entertainer - could turn around things at Dortmund because of the way he works even if he might need to change something in the squad. And that different kind of tactics Dortmund needs as they just aren't the underdog anymore.
I can see a Tuchel following van Gaal if it is a German coach but Klopp is a totally different kind of coach and uses a different approach. We think that Tuchel - apart from the differences as a media person where he is more the intellectual and intelligent talker and not the entertainer - could turn around things at Dortmund because of the way he works even if he might need to change something in the squad. And that different kind of tactics Dortmund needs as they just aren't the underdog anymore.
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