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How will Klopp and Liverpool under him be remembered if he only wins the Carabao Cup this season?

Is one league title and one CL win enough to be as highly regarded as they are? And Klopp as a manager for that matter.
 
Sandikan said:
Slightly different scenarios as Fergie's squad cruised the league and I still refuse to believe that any half decent manager couldn't have made a couple of signings and kept us at absolute lowest. 4th place.
But their squad is definitely nowhere near as strong as some think, even the much vaunted strike force.

Diaz and Nunez miss loads, Salah has been well off for a while and wouldn't surprise anyone if he's angling for the Saudi move. Jota pops up with goals but isn't brilliant and Gahkpo was never that good despite the hype.
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No I agree, a decent manager right after Fergie would have still had us top 4 but the squad we had for those last 4 or 5 years was only consistently challenging for the title year after year because of Fergie. 09-13 I don't think we had a particularly exceptional squad but we had a truly great manager who got everything out of the players.

And I think it'll be similar for them now. When Klopp is gone I don't see them challenging for the title or the CL again any time soon.
 
hp88 said:
Too much pressure on them since announcing his retirement, should have done what Fergie did.
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sell liverpool down the river over a minority share in a racehorse?
 
If they don't win the Prem or Europa this year it's kind of crazy how poor his trophy haul ended up being.

Will be absolutely delighted when he goes as even in spite of the trophy haul he is annoyingly good.
 
rimaldo said:
sell liverpool down the river over a minority share in a racehorse?
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I've never got this line of thinking.

Sure the old owners sold because of Fergie but he didn't pick the Glazers.

We very easily could have ended up with brilliant owners after that. We just got unlucky. That's not Fergies fault at all.
 
eire-red said:
How will Klopp and Liverpool under him be remembered if he only wins the Carabao Cup this season?

Is one league title and one CL win enough to be as highly regarded as they are? And Klopp as a manager for that matter.
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Klopp will be remembered as Liverpools best manager in the Premier League era, and it’s not really close. The guy who brought them the title after +30 years. He will still be below SAF, Pep and Wenger in the PL Manager hierachy.

The Liverpool team should be remembered as probably one of the best 5-6 sides in the Premier League era, seen over a few seasons. Probably they will be overrated a bit for a while due to recency bias.
 
eire-red said:
How will Klopp and Liverpool under him be remembered if he only wins the Carabao Cup this season?

Is one league title and one CL win enough to be as highly regarded as they are? And Klopp as a manager for that matter.
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Up there with Mancini, Ranieri and Pellegrini.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Klopp will be remembered as Liverpools best manager in the Premier League era, and it’s not really close. The guy who brought them the title after +30 years. He will still be below SAF, Pep and Wenger in the PL Manager hierachy.

The Liverpool team should be remembered as probably one of the best 5-6 sides in the Premier League era, seen over a few seasons. Probably they will be overrated a bit for a while due to recency bias.
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The rivalry between SAF and Wenger, then Klopp and Pep. Apparently, Klopp will be ranked higher than Wenger in terms of achievements. But they can’t be compared fairly because Wenger spent most of time under a bit financial constraints due to their stadium construction.
They are all excellent managers.
 
eire-red said:
How will Klopp and Liverpool under him be remembered if he only wins the Carabao Cup this season?

Is one league title and one CL win enough to be as highly regarded as they are? And Klopp as a manager for that matter.
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This is a good question. There is a definite bias in the media, but one CL win (vs Spurs in the final) and one PL win (in a season with no fans) would suggest to me that there were definitely mentality issues in his teams.

He did fantastically well to compete at the very highest level, but they were all too often brushed aside by better teams for the top prizes.

It’s to be applauded how they competed with giants in Europe and in England, but perhaps also questioned why they fell apart or failed to perform at key moments.

This season in particular, for this version of United, Atalanta and Palace to destroy your season, certainly suggests mentality problems at key moments.
 
city-puma said:
The rivalry between SAF and Wenger, then Klopp and Pep. Apparently, Klopp will be ranked higher than Wenger in terms of achievements. But they can’t be compared fairly because Wenger spent most of time under a bit financial constraints due to their stadium construction.
They are all excellent managers.
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Fergie and Wenger went blow for blow from 98-04, with United winning 4 titles and Arsenal winning 3. City have won 5 PL titles in the last 6 years - that can barely even be called a rivalry with Liverpool, and it is incomparable to Fergie vs Wenger.
 
Gabriel Djemba-Bebe said:
Fergie and Wenger went blow for blow from 98-04, with United winning 4 titles and Arsenal winning 3. City have won 5 PL titles in the last 6 years - that can barely even be called a rivalry with Liverpool, and it is incomparable to Fergie vs Wenger.
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Most of the younger folks will only really remember Wenger’s later years when they weren’t competitive. That rivalry was as bitter as it got at its peak. Klopp and Pep isn’t remotely comparable.
 
Zen86 said:
Most of the younger folks will only really remember Wenger’s later years when they weren’t competitive. That rivalry was as bitter as it got at its peak. Klopp and Pep isn’t remotely comparable.
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I still get pissed off whenever I see that ugly scrotum Martin Keown on my tv screen after the way him and his pals teamed up on Van Nistelrooy. There's never been anything resembling that level of animosity between City and Liverpool.
 
city-puma said:
The rivalry between SAF and Wenger, then Klopp and Pep. Apparently, Klopp will be ranked higher than Wenger in terms of achievements. But they can’t be compared fairly because Wenger spent most of time under a bit financial constraints due to their stadium construction.
They are all excellent managers.
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Wenger is definitely above Klopp for me. Three league titles with two of them being League/Cup double seasons. Then there’s the whole invincible thing. Klopp has the CL.
 
eire-red said:
How will Klopp and Liverpool under him be remembered if he only wins the Carabao Cup this season?

Is one league title and one CL win enough to be as highly regarded as they are? And Klopp as a manager for that matter.
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Just read some of the posts on here. People think he’s amazing and it’s only city that have stopped them sweeping up everything. Which is blatantly false
 
Samid said:
That's harsh on those. None of them relied on a pandemic riddled season to get them over the line.
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And none of them needed 9 seasons to win a single title either
 
erikcred said:
Erm, you mean the 19/20 season?
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No. Most of that season was played under normal circumstances and we were miles clear with 10 to go when football stopped in March 2020.

The following season was played behind closed doors, was stop start, games postponed etc.

Players missed loads of games due to covid.
 
I see he was moaning about not dealing with the two games against Man United that well. Raving about how great Liverpool was in the FA Cup tie in Old Trafford yet in reality so great his team conceded 4 goals and in the 1st half and all of extra time a totally disjointed team that United have been this season was the better team
 
Nice to hear it from him that the United 4-3 messed them up from then on !
 
You folks linking their title win to empty stands are delusional, the league was wrapped up by the time covid started.

Otherwise, I am a huge fan of Klopp but there is no more denying that his teams have mentality issues.

This will be the third tight title race which they lost. They had it all in their hands two years ago, but could not beat Spurs at home.

They destroyed Real in that CL final and while Kourtois had a great game, a lot of his saves were made possible by their finishing.

For me, it is a story of what could have been. They clearly had a world class side for a while and should have won more, but missed that extra something to get over the line whenever the going got tough.

And it happened too many times to be a coincidence.
 
Pexbo said:
He must do, because they only won the league once so he can’t have mistaken it.
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Do you genuinely believe that football stopping due to Covid in March 2020 impacted the outcome of the title "race" that season?

Liverpool were top on 82 points from 29 games, with City in 2nd on 57.
 
Klopper76 said:
Do you genuinely believe that football stopping due to Covid in March 2020 impacted the outcome of the title "race" that season?

Liverpool were top on 82 points from 29 games, with City in 2nd on 57.
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It could have gone either way up until the stoppage for Covid. Was practially a different sport when football came back.
 
Klopper76 said:
:lol:
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I'm being deadly serious, there were more subs, water breaks. Not to mention no fans in the stadium and the long break itself that benefitted Liverpool more than City.

So yeah you's won it but...


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Zlatan 7 said:
Just read some of the posts on here. People think he’s amazing and it’s only city that have stopped them sweeping up everything. Which is blatantly false
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I don't think anyone has said this, they've just said he'd have 3 PL titles instead of 1? That would then transform his achievements quite considerably.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I don't think anyone has said this, they've just said he'd have 3 PL titles instead of 1? That would then transform his achievements quite considerably.
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No. I often read that he was unlucky to come up against an oil city and would have won more if not for them. Which in itself is true but not what is being implied. He would have one league title more. It’s not city that stopped them winning more, it’s Leicester, Man Utd, Chelsea all the other teams he’s finished behind and got knocked out of cups to
 
Zlatan 7 said:
No. I often read that he was unlucky to come up against an oil city and would have won more if not for them. Which in itself is true but not what is being implied. He would have one league title more. It’s not city that stopped them winning more, it’s Leicester, Man Utd, Chelsea all the other teams he’s finished behind and got knocked out of cups to
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Haven’t they finished 2nd twice by 1 point? Don’t think anyone has said they’d have magically won more where City aren’t directly involved but seems highly likely they’d have the extra PL wins.
 
stevoc said:
I'm being deadly serious, there were more subs, water breaks. Not to mention no fans in the stadium and the long break itself that benefitted Liverpool more than City.

So yeah you's won it but...


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As much as it's funny to wind them up about this (and I suspect this is what you're trying here), they effectively had the title wrapped up anyway.

When Covid interrupted the season, Liverpool were already on 82 points and City finished the season on 81. Even if City had won all of their 10 games after the restart, Liverpool would have only needed to win two from their remaining nine to secure the title.

It would have taken a collapse of epic proportions for them to have not won from the position they were in.

tomaldinho1 said:
Haven’t they finished 2nd twice by 1 point? Don’t think anyone has said they’d have magically won more where City aren’t directly involved but seems highly likely they’d have the extra PL wins.
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It definitely gets brought up as if he's finished second behind them every season since he arrived in Liverpool, rather than the same number of times as Manchester United.

When that's pointed out, the goalposts tend to shift to "he was closer".
 
stevoc said:
I'm being deadly serious, there were more subs, water breaks. Not to mention no fans in the stadium and the long break itself that benefitted Liverpool more than City.

So yeah you's won it but...


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So you're saying that despite Liverpool being 25 points ahead with 9 games left, under normal circumstances (no Covid) City would have clawed that back and Liverpool would've collapsed? A Liverpool team with 27 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss from 29 games?
 
Alex99 said:
It definitely gets brought up as if he's finished second behind them every season since he arrived in Liverpool, rather than the same number of times as Manchester United.

When that's pointed out, the goalposts tend to shift to "he was closer".
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Exactly
 
its completely untrue they had the league wrapped up prior to covid. covid completely changed the world, of course it could have massively impacted the eventual league winners.

it was a league win*

no legitimate leage win for liverpool, given the quality of the manager, and the quality of the team is fairly abysmal.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
its completely untrue they had the league wrapped up prior to covid. covid completely changed the world, of course it could have massively impacted the eventual league winners.

it was a league win*

no legitimate leage win for liverpool, given the quality of the manager, and the quality of the team is fairly abysmal.
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They were clear by a million miles. Don't be small time.
 
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