Don't have to use/twist stats to justify everything. Hazard's rating was 7.11, so he had very good season? Sanchez was rated as third best player, van Dijk is rated higher than Vardy. I can go on and give more examples but I believe these are enough to show how flawed your logic is.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Don't have to use/twist stats to justify everything. Hazard's rating was 7.11, so he had very good season? Sanchez was rated as third best player, van Dijk is rated higher than Vardy. I can go on and give more examples but I believe these are enough to show how flawed your logic is.
Agreed on the bolded part, even though it doesn't say much really when you look at the dross they are chasing around and signing.
They'e had a bid accepted for Wijnaldum apparently.
Good signing, was great in patches last season but disappeared for weeks at times.
Good signing, was great in patches last season but disappeared for weeks at times.
Of course you have. You're renowned for it.
Did Kopp actually say this?
Wierd thing to say if that's true.Did Kopp actually say this?
The refs should do that more often. Keepers hold on to the ball for that long a lot.
Did Kopp actually say this?
I doubt it. Saying "he'd never make it to the very top" would be a dick move.. even for a Liverpool manager.
Mignolet was rated very highly at Sunderland before Liverpool signed him. It's very tough to say how keepers who play for much smaller clubs do when they move to bigger clubs where there's a lot more scrutiny and pressure. Some might say Liverpool aren't that big of a club in any case which I suppose is a fair point but the expectations and pressure will be much higher.
Did Kopp actually say this?
Well that's just as worrying as him considering Benteke for Dortmund!
Lots of average signings going on for Liverpool. Jurgen has really shot himself in the foot signing for Liverpool.
Wrong career move.
Wrong career move.
Is Klopp still being hamstrung by the transfer committee?
The signings Liverpool have made seem like their signings under their last manager, players who have performed well in the PL, but not necessarily for an extended period.
I do think Liverpool will do much better in the league this season, but only by the virtue of the fact they have no European football. I expect them to be pushing for top 4 for them to fall short towards the end of the season (once other teams stop playing European games).
The signings Liverpool have made seem like their signings under their last manager, players who have performed well in the PL, but not necessarily for an extended period.
I do think Liverpool will do much better in the league this season, but only by the virtue of the fact they have no European football. I expect them to be pushing for top 4 for them to fall short towards the end of the season (once other teams stop playing European games).
Really?
I remember him having lots of decent games where he made acrobatic saves and was generally being a good shot stopper but that absolutely does not make a good keeper. EVERY half decent keeper in the league is a great shot stopper; all it requires are reflexes and athletic ability, which most keepers are scouted and trained for. Don't get me wrong cause you can get proper elite stop shoppers (one level above) like Gomez (Watford) but he lacks other fundamentals.
The hard stuff is positioning, decision making, ball handling and concentration when you're not involved at all for the whole game until those 2-3 moments.
For every De Gea, Lloris and Courtois, there are 10 Fabianskis, Howards, Mignolets etc etc
Word is that Klopp has far more say over things than Rodgers ever did and that FSG are basically head over heels with him. Presumably, part of the reason is that to a large extent Klopp sees eye to eye with the policies of the transfer committee.
It's worse than that with Mignolet.
Mignolet had some of the best stats in the league before he signed. Weirdly, he was great on crosses claimed as well.
At the end of this season, he had the 3rd worst stats in the league of the 30 keepers who played more than 5 games. That's right, he wasn't even the worst of the 1st choice keepers. Only 2 backup keepers managed to do worse than him.
He regressed badly and basically crumbled under the pressure. Can't remember seeing a keeper whose lack of proper mentality was so clearly evidenced in his game. From taking ages to making decisions to staying ridiculously rooted on his line because he is shitting himself.
So yeah, Klopp, can't even beat Borrusia Dortmund despite spending 100s of millions.
But can he beat Seville in a game which is not a friendly?So yeah, Klopp, can't even beat Borrusia Dortmund despite spending 100s of millions.
From what I saw, I was surprised Liverpool signed him because he looked like just another keeper, i.e good enough but definitely not elite. My Liverpool friends said the same.
However, after what you said, it kind of makes senses, their transfers are done on moneyball tactics and not with their eyes. It sometimes works (Payet and Kante, best chance creator and destroyer) but I wasn't convinced then and wasn't surprised at all when his form deteriorated.
The first symptoms of going insane are already here.
Moneyball + Klopp + Scousers = Hipster heaven
Should see the full session - Klopp's really nice to kids.
I don't care who you support you can't dislike this guy.
You'd be surprised.
Are you really asking this? The 'put-fake-quote-on-photo-to make-it-look-convincing' shtick is getting pretty old by now.
That's great!
Meanwhile at RAWK: "He gets us La! Our Jurgen, he is a baller. Can't believe WE.HAVE.KLOPP, someone pinch me in me arse. - YAWN"
Used to like him at Dortmund but ever since he's moved to Liverpool, I'm slowly disliking him.
He's a passion merchant and nowhere near as good as they're making him out to be.
He's a passion merchant and nowhere near as good as they're making him out to be.
He is a class manager. Our hate stems from the club not the person..
What the feck? Looks like some cheap production christian tv for kids awake 6:30 in the saturday morning.
Back to back Bundesliga titles and a Champions League final appearance say you're wrong.
Liverpool fans overrating him is neither here nor there. That's what they do. It's the one thing Liverpool actually excel at
Well, as a person he is a bit of a dick too, good manager though.
You must know him pretty well then....
He won the Bundesliga when Bayern had LVG... Enough said.Back to back Bundesliga titles and a Champions League final appearance say you're wrong.
Liverpool fans overrating him is neither here nor there. That's what they do. It's the one thing Liverpool actually excel at
When they got Heynckes back, they were in a slight transition period. Ever since 2012 or so, Dortmund have been Bayern's whipping boys. He could never get the best of them.
A Champions League final appearance is hardly an accomplishment. Klopp has lost his last 5 finals. If he was that good, how come he's failed to win his last 5 finals?
Liverpool fans act like he's on Mourinho's level. It's laughable really. His rivals are the likes of Pochettino, Bilic and Koeman. Our rivals are Pep and Conte.
I know it's easy to ignore as a fan but plenty of people have given negative comments about him, he just doesn't seem like a great guy, he's not this great hipster wacky uncle type figure people have made him out to be.
How do you know that?
All the public figures put on fronts...i do agree but nobody apart from people who know him can say what kind of person Klopp is.
I don't care who you support you can't dislike this guy.
I can't stand him
Conte is an excellent manager but if you think Klopp hasn't accomplished anything because Bayern was bad at the time, Conte walked the league because he had Juve. Even fecking Allegri, the laughing stock of Italian managers at the time, took them further than Conte ever did so be a bit realistic please.
The finals argument is silly as well, they're won or lost by small margins, defeat or victory depends on details a manger can't always control like penalties for example. Getting there with a inherited Rodgers side speaks much more volumes than losing them to sides like City and Sevilla.
I don't think it's as much us overrating him than it is you guys downplaying his past accomplishments. Always going on about his last Dortmund season as a measuring stick for example, while Mourinho did much worse last season with a much better team. The love-in with Klopp on here was pretty huge before he signed for Liverpool. He's a world class manager, and probably the only world class personnel we still have at our club so excuse us for being protective or enthousiast about him.
First symptoms? He's been fecking insane for years, probably his best quality.
I really like they guy, always have.
For some reason, I don't care about him. I will be surprised if he manages a CL spot next season with this Liverpool side.