If that the reason why you signed Benteke too? He loved scoring against Liverpool (and also United).
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Exaggeration or what. He started from the bench 5 times over the whole season and none consecutively. The two games he missed completely were for a Red card. Did he go through a spell where he didn't score/assist ? Yes, as most strikers do (even though Mane wasn't Saints' CF). What was Kane's, or Rooney's, for example ?
I don't like WhoScored ratings per se because they always seem either too low or too high, and don't differentiate enough between dominant teams and their inferior performing opposition, however they are useful in this instance. Note that anything in the high 6s is considered a good game or better by the WhoScored ratings. And if (for the two lowest scores he only played 16' and 11'), around 6.4-6.6 is as bad as it gets, whilst waiting for those good to great performances (in 16 of 36 PL matches he scored 6.95 and above), then the majority of fans would take that.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/109915/Fixtures/Sadio-Man
It's interesting to break down those ratings a little more. Since 6 is generally accepted as being Average then an 'average' range may be from 6.0 to 6.69, then below 6.0 is Poor, maybe 6.7 to 7.2 is Good to V.Good, 7.2 to 7.99 Excellent and 8.0 and above Superb. This would be in keeping with WhoScored's generally relatively lowish ratings with only exceptional games or performances getting higher ratings.
Mane's PL performances in 2015/16 would have rated :
Poor (below 6.0) : 1 (a game in which he played only 16' and received a Red Card).
Average (6.0 to 6.69) : 17 games
Good to V.Good (6.7 to 7.2) : 4 games
Excellent (7.21 to 7.99) : 9 games
Superb (8.0 plus) : 6 games (4 x MotM).
If you want to compare ratings then Mane had an average rating of 7.14. The highest rated United player was Martial (7.23 and 3 MotM).
Forget the stats already, he went missing a lot last season and that's it. He was shite during the winter.
The true question is: Where would he go, if Dortmund doesn't want him?
I still can't imagine that he would go to Spurs then. Maybe Juventus?
Could be to do with Jerome Sinclair. We ended up agreeing a £4 million compensation for his transfer but it took a while to sort out.
I'm not saying he's a bad signing, i'm expressing concern that Mane might disappear at certain periods when you need him next season which would concern me if we signed him. I don't think he's a bad player by any means, if Klopp can consistently get the best out of him like he did with Firmino then you'll have a tidy player.
Exactly and we could actually find more if we just trawl through some threads on here (/RAWK/some other forums). All it needs are just some time and energy. Thanks a lot by the way.
Sorry it's not me but you who's spouting made-up bollocks now my friend!
First, this German thing you just made it up because he's signed couple of German players! If he signed from some other leagues, you'd probably have told us a different story. You're now making it up as it suits the current narrative!
You and other Kopties who comment on here, how many of you are all together? 5, 10? That's not even a fraction of Liverpool's supporter base. So to put it in a way as though your views (the ones on RC although I don't know what all of you're saying on here at that time but still I'm considering they're thinking differently from the rest) represent the entire (/majority) Liverpool fan base is laughable. It's as laughable as me, who belong in that minority group who believes we shouldn't be spending 100m on Pogba, suggesting United fans apart from a few nutters didn't want Pogba anyway if the deal doesn't materialize. This is far from truth because the majority want him.
Like @baanke laal I could trawl through comments on here and find numerous posters claiming Klopp to lure the top top players that Brendan failed to attract, but I don't have any desire to do so. I've seen it with my eyes. I've seen it on RAWK, I've seen how thousands liking the comments 'Finally we're/they're going to sign top top players and not waste money on midtable teams' like Southampton's players' on the Mail.
Second, the 'No Europe' thing, it's because you now have the knowledge that you don't have CL/EL. But the time I's referring to that is when Klopp was appointed, Liverpool was playing in the EL. Not only that, after a few weeks people were claiming Liverpool a title challenger this season. There was a thread on here that Liverpool is a title challenger (which in OP's words was opened to jinx it), there was a thread on RAWK where they claimed that they've this feeling that something special is probably finally going to happen, there were mutiple articles in the Mail, Telegraph etc. where Liverpool was considered a title challenger after some good results under Klopp. At that point, no one knew you wouldn't even be playing in the EL. So you're using a knowledge of some event after it happened to deny something I claimed which was talked about months before that eventual outcome!
Yes, you don't have the resources that we, Arsenal, City, Chelsea etc. have so you'll (/other clubs of similar stature) have to take a different route and you'll have to be smart as well. It's not impossible as Atletico and Juve's success would show that spending huge money on star players isn't necessarily the only way to be competitive at the highest level.
Apparently money wasn't the main issue here, it's how the whole thing was conducted. So even though I've no idea whether it's true or not, I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand especially when for the same player Uninese is wanting two different fees from two different clubs.
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Oh dear. I'm sorry but comparing the Liverpool supporters on here to those on RAWK is highly derogatory. Do you know they ban you for slagging off a player one of the mods has deemed 'untouchable' ? Imagine if someone on RC slagged off Rooney and got banned for it ? Tells you all need to know about RAWK (and why they are held in contempt by other LFC forums). There are about 20 other Liverpool forums, go on them and see what the majority think of a title challenge this season.
As for Klopp's arrival etc. ... virtually everyone connected with LFC: fans, management and Klopp himself, has said 'long term project'. So you can twist that any way you like (or use quotes from RAWK to prove your point) but it will never become ' we are title challengers this season' from the 'Pool supporters on RC. I can understand some people thinking 'no Euro football + Klopp + team strengthening = title challenge' but we are still far removed from that scenario at this point in time.
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Buying way way too much quality for my liking
A 30 year old defender. 
They're going down the same route as always this summer. Buying dross.
They're going down the same route as always this summer. Buying dross.
Buying way way too much quality for my liking
They can not think of anything original. Stealing the captions too now.
A 30 year old defender.
They're going down the same route as always this summer. Buying dross.
Well, we're not going to spend £30m on a 5th choice CB.
Right, well... I've had a really good look at this chap Klavan (3 mins of youtube, ).
And 4th/5th choice CB looks like a good position for him to me.
). And 4th/5th choice CB looks like a good position for him to me.
Why not Subotic instead?
Would seem a logical option but he's just failed his medical at Middlesbrough. No point signing a crock.
How do Liverpool honestly expect to win anything buying players like this?
Said it from the beginning... Klopp is the WRONG manager for Liverpool. He's one of those "development" managers who develops kids and sells them on when the big clubs get interested. He won't be able to keep them at Liverpool. They're not attractive enough.
Can't see them finishing in the top 6 this year to be honest. But the fans will continue to make excuses for him anyway. Last season, "It was Rodgers' team", this season "Oh, they're not giving him enough money"... blah blah blah.
Said it from the beginning... Klopp is the WRONG manager for Liverpool. He's one of those "development" managers who develops kids and sells them on when the big clubs get interested. He won't be able to keep them at Liverpool. They're not attractive enough.
Can't see them finishing in the top 6 this year to be honest. But the fans will continue to make excuses for him anyway. Last season, "It was Rodgers' team", this season "Oh, they're not giving him enough money"... blah blah blah.
Ah alright. I just remembered he was available, and with the Klopp-connection and all. I thought negotiations broke down. Hadn't seen he failed his medical. Never mind then.
Whoa, I haven't been following - what happened to him? He's not that old, right?
Honestly not getting the outrage in here over Liverpool buying Klavan. He's a backup CB.
Seems a bit silly when they've got Sakho, Lovren, Matip and Gomez and they're not in Europe. They had Kolo Toure but decided not to renew his contract. He was one of their best players against Sevilla. Think if they really wanted another backup CB despite the number of options they have they'd have been better off keeping on Toure.
How many CBs do a club not in Europe need? The four they had would have been enough without signing Klavan.
Sakho and Gomez are out initially. Probably not long term but neither have great injury records.
He's cheap and provides cover, I think it's fine - ideally he doesn't play much though.
Ah, didn't realise Sakho was injured. Guess it makes a bit more sense
The issue with their signings is that apart from Mane, how many of them actually improve their starting XI?
He's only 27, but it seems he's been plagued by injury problems. A shame, as he was a title winning CB previously.
Yea, had an Achilles thing and will be out for several weeks, I think. Also who knows what's going to happen with WADA; last I read they may appeal, so who knows if Sakho ends up sitting out more games again. It seems Man United fans are using the Klavan signing to have a laugh at us more than anything... even when we haven't said much about him.
I'm hoping most of them can! Karius, Matip and Grujic have promise. Especially Karius, I really hope he's better than Mignolet. Still waiting on a LB and some form of a CM... though the latter is likely to be Wijnaldum.
That is a shame indeed. I hope he can carry on, 27 is far too early to end a football career.
Does Mane really improve their Starting XI?
I guess they would say Matip being a CB replacing Kolo/Skrtel, and the new Goalkeeper improves their Starting XI.
Mane, Karius, Matip are all going to be starting XI players. The former two are undoubtedly upgrades on what we had last year (Lallana and Mignolet). Matip could very well be too.
Wijnaldum scored the same amount of league goals as Mkhitaryan last year, believe it or not. He'd fit in nicely, and so would a Clyne replica at LB.
Who will Wijnaldum replace? I admit I don't know much about Karius.
Aye, although it's not serious as far as I know.
Then again he does have a pretty patchy injury record in general for us.
Karius is better than Mignolet, but not sure about the rest.
Grujic is supposed to be talented, but haven't seen much of him.
From what i've just watched of a 2015/2016 best saves video, he is definitely an upgrade on Mignolet. Looks to have a strong 2 handed diving save (that feels like a poor choice of words), gets down quickly, has a strong decisive punch etc.
Although I didn't see anything distribution wise, so can't make a comment on that aspect.
I feel like you must have a big signing coming this window, in relation to those who have come in anyway.
Although I didn't see anything distribution wise, so can't make a comment on that aspect.
I feel like you must have a big signing coming this window, in relation to those who have come in anyway.
Do you reckon Kaurius is a cert to start? I'm hoping he does start the season but I've a feeling Klopp might stick with Migs until he fecks up - which will probably mean Kaurius will be on for the second half at the Emirates.
Klopp has a long track record of buying players that aren't even on anyone's radar, just for them to turn out to be world beaters. Beware.
That's true - he is the proverbial cat with nine lives.
I think he'll start. Mignolet's had enough chances.
When he does eventually leave I will remember him for letting the ball go out at Burnley more than anything else - mega brain fart.
Klopp convinced him to cancel his Olympics' plans to stay with the club, surely he wouldn't do that if he isn't a guaranteed starter? Karius will play and deservedly so imo.
Karius was already high on the list of keepers Klopp wanted to succeed Weidenfeller with us. He clearly rates him very highly and this also warranted in general and especially after the very strong season he had at Mainz (amongst the top 5 of the Bundesliga, which has a lot of high level GK as a whole). i also doubt a loyal player like Karius would have left International football with Mainz to sit on the bench at Pool, eventhough he certainly earns more money now. He was IMO clearly bought as new number one. It would be nearly criminal to field Mignolet, who worse in pretty much every area, over him at the start of the season. Overall the most convincing transfer Pool has done so far in the window.