We've had our best ever start to a PL season. Why would we want to sack him/dislike him?
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Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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We've had our best ever start to a PL season. Why would we want to sack him/dislike him?
Opt for logic instead of hatred. It'll make your life better.
He has his fair share of critics among our fan base. It's not like we all think that he can do no wrong.
Your opinion is probably based on Liverpool fans defending him when fans of other clubs criticize him. It's not cult worship, it's fans getting defensive when others make a criticism they've probably made themselves. I've noticed that this is a common trait with our fan base.
If he wins the Poo Cup though he can have whatever he wants.
I don’t hate anyone, you’ve got me wrong. Who said anything about sacking Klopp either?! I certainly didn’t, he’s a very good manager.
And for the record, I like my life a lot thank you very much, why did you feel the need to get personal?
All I was pointing out is that Liverpool fans are extremely cultish when it comes to their managers. Rodgers, Rafa, Klopp. I think only Hodgson is the one person involved with Liverpool that the fans never did take to.
Well Benitez won the clubs first European Cup since the 80's in his first season. I think the hero worship combined with our low standards in the 90's explains that. Rodgers gained his status for bringing us closer than we've ever been to a PL title, and Dalglish was already a club legend. Houllier lifted the club's standards initially as well.
Klopp's taken us from a mid-table mess to consecutive seasons in the CL and being in most people's list when discussing who might win the league this season.
We've got lower standards than United fans do due to decades of mediocrity so it's a bit easier to get into our good books.
He is right though, nobody makes a cult following of their manager as Liverpool fans do. For example Jose won us the league cup and Europa league, do we deify him?
But the way Liverpool fans talked about Rodgers or Houllier or Benitez and now Klopp, anybody who is doing decently, is not matched by any fan base.
Woy Hodge-Podge is fairly enthusiastically hated.
I think if you win the League Cup in 2016, you win the Europa League, particularly having been in the lead at half time. You're then in the CL a season earlier, and who knows what happens from there.
Take this as offensively as you want, but it's really easy for you, as a Liverpool fan, to disregard the importance of winning even minor trophies, because the only silverware you've had to celebrate over the last twelve years has been one minor trophy. If you disregard the importance of winning things, it disregards the failure of Liverpool to win something. It's exactly what Arsenal fans did for years with Wenger, and got roundly ridiculed for.
It's not about whether Klopp gets fired tomorrow, because he isn't getting fired tomorrow. The point is that the line we hear, time and time again, is how Klopp is the one to take Liverpool to the next level. Now, he's done part of the job getting you back in the CL picture, but it's not progress if year in, year out, you're securing fourth on the last day and not winning anything. It's stagnation.
He's got a big couple of months ahead of him. Two massive CL games to contend with, while trying to maintain the results you've been having in the league. Get through the CL games and secure a place in the knockout stages, and keep pace with City/Chelsea at the top of the league, and he's looking rosy. Crash out of the CL in the group stage and stumble through a busy winter period, and the pressure is very much on.
The expectations prior to the season were quite high. The excellent start to the season made them go through the roof. Now Klopp and Liverpool are judged against those expectations and are coming a bit short.
All in all Liverpool are doing very well in the league. The problems in midfield and attack might seriously hinder their league campaign though.
All in all Liverpool are doing very well in the league. The problems in midfield and attack might seriously hinder their league campaign though.
Agreed 100%.
As for the "stagnation", I'd like to think a foundation is important. I'd rather be perennial CL contenders and build from there, than rise to the top like Conte's Chelsea only to crash down a year later. Every year under Klopp has been better than the year before imo, so let's see how this season pans out.
They've just had a silly loss - as teams do.
They aren't quite as fluent as previously, offset by better defending & keeping.
I do tend to think we're jumping on any excuse we can find to do them down here - which I'm not particularly opposed to, but we might be being a little bit hasty.
It's going to be next season before Klopp feels any real pressure I would have thought. You have to give the level of investment a proper chance.
I read somewhere that the workrate is a bit down though & no one is getting overrun early-doors like they were in the last half of last season.
I also hope Napoli are prepping their most armour-plated bus for that last CL matchday, innit.
They aren't quite as fluent as previously, offset by better defending & keeping.
I do tend to think we're jumping on any excuse we can find to do them down here - which I'm not particularly opposed to, but we might be being a little bit hasty.
It's going to be next season before Klopp feels any real pressure I would have thought. You have to give the level of investment a proper chance.
I read somewhere that the workrate is a bit down though & no one is getting overrun early-doors like they were in the last half of last season.
I also hope Napoli are prepping their most armour-plated bus for that last CL matchday, innit.
Liverpool are a damn good side and Klopp is a good manager, no one has said otherwise.
We're just pointing out that he's not the messiah and some of us don't get the worship he gets. They're a good side that has won nothing under him.
Where do you get the idea he is 'worshipped'? I don't know where you get your info, but it doesn't seem to be entirely accurate. He's a great manager doing a good job for us. But he's fallible. Most definitely.
Anyway, Benitez split the fanbase in the end (I wasn't disappointed to see him go) and Rodgers wasn't up to it without Suarez. Dalglish is a Liverpool legend but plenty could see he wasn't right for the job second time round.
Ultimately, yes, as a fanbase we do back our managers, though I am not sure why we are being criticised for it. It's a really quite strange criticism to level at fans... Damn you for liking your manager. Damn you to hell!
How long do you build the foundations for though? You've qualified for the CL now by securing fourth on the final day two seasons running, with the second season involving a run to the CL final?
I agree that we need to wait a bit before drawing any conclusions on this season. The end of January especially could be a good indicator for your season. We could be looking at Liverpool side in the 5th Round of the FA Cup, the Last 16 of the FA Cup, and still in the race for the Premier League title, or we could be looking at a Liverpool side that's failed to get further than the 4th Round of the FA Cup for the fourth year straight, out of Europe entirely, and facing an uphill battle to finish in the top four. A lot of middle-ground between those two scenarios, so it'll be interesting to see how things pan out. However, if it's closer to the latter than the former, it's not even stagnation, it's a step backward.
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I see this season as defining for Klopp because he's only behind Pep in terms of spending whilst he's been at Liverpool, it's not like City have won every trophy and it's a monopoly league (eg it's very achievable for him to have won something by now, even if only a minor domestic trophy). If you think every season there are 3 domestic titles, PL, FA and Carabao - the following have won these whilst he has been in charge.
Ranieri, Pellegrini, Mourinho, Pep (2), Conte (2), Van Gaal, Wenger.
If you look at the above, Ranieri won with the miracle Leicester team and was sacked, Pellegrini was sacked, Mourinho seems always on the verge of the sack, Conte was sacked, Van Gaal was sacked and Wenger was pushed out. Yet Klopp survives and is lauded as an amazing manager.
Liverpool play good stuff, we should applaud that but he needs a trophy badly.
On form players can carry a team far but it's great management that turns that into titles. Yet to be seen whether Klopp last season was just carried by Salahs brilliance in the same way as Rodgers was with Suarez.
Liverpool fans and even Spurs fans can downplay expectations all they want but national and club level management isn't that different, when you have a good group of players the manager needs to show something for it.
Liverpool fans and even Spurs fans can downplay expectations all they want but national and club level management isn't that different, when you have a good group of players the manager needs to show something for it.
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That comment really butthurt him doesn't it ? Truth hurts sometimes.
Seems an innocuous comment from the Egypt coach, not sure why Klopp's reacted like that.
@el3mel you must be somewhat conflicted re: Salah as an Egyptian United fan?
@el3mel you must be somewhat conflicted re: Salah as an Egyptian United fan?
I'm pretty fine as long as he's doing well and scoring loads of goals while they're winning feck all like last season, so by this he'll be the one succeeding, not them.
Call me mad, but if a crazy bid came in the summer for Salah (150 mill+), I'd sell. Same applies to the other two.
You only value him at £50m?
You know what, I'm perfectly fine with that tooI'm pretty fine as long as he's doing well and scoring loads of goals while they're winning feck all like last season, so by this he'll be the one succeeding, not them.
And losing to United (and Brighton) every season!You know what, I'm perfectly fine with that too
Exactly.
Well played.
Yes, he manages our biggest rival, but this is funny.
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"The whole population of Paris counter attacked us"
The pitch was dry, it was windy and we would have won if it wasn't for that United offside goal.
There's something that people don't get. He's basically a counter attacking managers in big games. His strategy depends on high pressing and cutting the ball to utilize space in counters. Devoid them of space in these games, and they're done for. Almost all big teams who face them do this now, even City earlier this season.
Unlike what many believe, he's not someone who takes the priority of attacking. He just doesn't park the bus, that's about it, but he presses and tries to cut the ball to counter.
Unlike what many believe, he's not someone who takes the priority of attacking. He just doesn't park the bus, that's about it, but he presses and tries to cut the ball to counter.
5th CL away loss in a row isn't it?
Liverpool were supposed to be good in the cups and Jurgen Klopp was supposed to be a big game manager right?
Except his second season when he got less points but let’s not let Truth get in the way of a good story shall we
What a surprise that a Liverpool fan prefers the top 4 trophy over a real trophy. Stereotypes about fans of a football club are usually just generalisations, but with Liverpool fans it fits perfectly.
He needs a midfield asap. Needs to stop thinking Milner, Gini and Henderson are quality.
"I'd rather we be serial losers than winning the league in the manager's first season"
Their delusion knows no bounds.More long throws than shots on target (1 from a penalty).
Still better than Mourinho