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He has done well to tighten the defence, but this thing has costed him in the Champions League where you need to perform in a single game.
Klopp should give Jose a call for advice on winning big European matches. It’s something he consistently fails at and ironically Liverpool have always had pedigree in Europe.Liverpool played Red Star, but United played Juventus, that's the difference...
Sorry couldn't resist.
No I'm not. The point I'm making is you have always been competitive before klopp came. Your managers before klopp have won more than him in there first 3 years. Your manager before klopp has got you closer to the title than you have for 27 years. You played great football before klopp came. Someone please tell me what has got Liverpool fans so obsessed with klopp. ?To be fair, Liverpool fans worshipped BR and RB as well. You’re barking up the wrong tree here.
So klopp has transformed you from a mid table team to finishing 4th. Oh and 3 finals which is classed as a bigger achievement than mourhino winning 2 trophies.Except that one-season wonder by Rodgers, we've had almost 10 years of 6th, 7th and 8th place finishes. I think it's very odd that you somehow don't remember this.
Klopp has given us two CL seasons in a row now, two European cup finals and pretty much every transfer he makes has been succesful. It's hardly being "brainwashed" to be happy about our situation.
But he shows pashun and wears a cap! He’s just like me and you!I honestly don't know if he is doing a particularly great job. All I know is the job he is doing is massively overstated and the English media love to wank all over him.
But he shows pashun and wears a cap! He’s just like me and you!
Klopp’s dark side lurks underneath the faux grin though. He knows he has to deliver this season after spending a fortune of Liverpool’s cash on his own type of players.
Trophies please Mr Klopp or it’s yet more failure.
Exactly. If he wins nothing this season he's been there near 4 full seasons with feck all to show for it bar a CL Final / EL Final (lost both) and some good football.
Mourinho has a fairly sizeable win % difference than Klopp since both took over, but obviously Klopp has been there 8 or 9 months more. Yet Mourinho is seen by the media as a colossal failure (despite winning 2 trophies and reaching an FA Cup Final) while Klopp sits on this pedestal with the media. I know Mourinho brings a-lot on himself but I have no idea how Klopp has remained so immune to criticism. Given his outlay, if he finishes this season with no silverware, serious questions should be asked of him but they won't due to his cult following from Liverpool fans and the media.
Bringing entertaining football last year and actually being friendly during interviews goes a long way and will get you a lot more respite from the media. However hard it is to pathom for a United fan, Klopp does exactly that. Mourinho is a miserable old cnut for most of the time and even if he wins, like yesterday, he can't resist to make it all about him with the needless gesturing post-match. It's his "me against the world" attitude in the media that gets him most scrutiny.Exactly. If he wins nothing this season he's been there near 4 full seasons with feck all to show for it bar a CL Final / EL Final (lost both) and some good football.
Mourinho has a fairly sizeable win % difference than Klopp since both took over, but obviously Klopp has been there 8 or 9 months more. Yet Mourinho is seen by the media as a colossal failure (despite winning 2 trophies and reaching an FA Cup Final) while Klopp sits on this pedestal with the media. I know Mourinho brings a-lot on himself but I have no idea how Klopp has remained so immune to criticism. Given his outlay, if he finishes this season with no silverware, serious questions should be asked of him but they won't due to his cult following from Liverpool fans and the media.
Saking him for the sake of it would be the worst decision we could possibly make. Then repalce him with who? Another inferior manager who won't do better with the squad than Klopp currently does? One that has to implement his own style of play, i.e. another one or two years down the drain because our players have to adapt (I know it didn't take Sarri as long for example but that's normally not the case). We took a corner with appointing Klopp and we should stick with him.Hey they also lost a League Cup final too!
Interesting to see how things will pan out, by all accounts their football this season hasn't been great to watch. You get away with not winning anything at Liverpool if you play nice football but if that's gone then who knows.
Hey they also lost a League Cup final too!
Interesting to see how things will pan out, by all accounts their football this season hasn't been great to watch. You get away with not winning anything at Liverpool if you play nice football but if that's gone then who knows.
Bringing entertaining football last year and actually being friendly during interviews goes a long way and will get you a lot more respite from the media. However hard it is to pathom for a United fan, Klopp does exactly that. Mourinho is a miserable old cnut for most of the time and even if he wins, like yesterday, he can't resist to make it all about him with the needless gesturing post-match. It's his "me against the world" attitude in the media that gets him most scrutiny.
As for his job security, he'd have to set fire to Anfield for the fans and owners to turn on him right now. Only four years ago, we started a CL game at Bernabeu with the likes of Manquillo, Moreno, Allen, Borini and Markovic. On Tuesday we had players like Firmino, Fabinho, Gomez (and in principle Shaqiri) on the bench. This just shows you how much of a difference he's made in a relatively short period of time. If you only look at money spent, it would be sensible to assume he has to win something rather sooner than later to keep the critics away. However our overall team quality at the end of the 14/15 season was garbage for the most part, after Gerrard retired and Suarez & Sterling were sold. We had a lot of ground to catch up, which we've now done for 90%. Very few other managers would have transformed the atmosphere and the performances of the club like Klopp has done the past three years. If not for this City side that's simply too good for everyone, we'd be top of the league. We're currently on pace for our best start ever in PL history, and still top of our CL group, so it's not all doom and gloom as some of the posters on here would have you believe. And yes, you've won more trophies under Mourinho than we have under Klopp, but our progress under Klopp is much better than your progress under Mourinho right now.
We're waiting for more than a decade for another serious trophy - one year more or less won't make a difference to most of us, I know it doesn't for me anyway.
The fans and the media have built him up so much i think it will take more than just one season for them to admit he might not be the messiah.
Nah, I don't think I'm blinded by anything in this case (just read my tagline). He can be a prick of course, and he's an incredibly sore loser but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing (Guardiola is exactly the same), but in general he's friendly, outspoken, funny sometimes, just likeable to a lot of people, especially Liverpool fans of course.Believe me, I don't find Mourinho remotely entertaining these days, so you're barking up the wrong tree with that one. I don't feel he's the right fit for the club although things have slightly improved recently but our start to the season and his role in that, is for me , still completely unforgiveable. I'm also not a fan of managers creating a 'siege mentality' or a 'us against the world' atmosphere as I find it totally unnecessary. Maybe Livepool fans are blinded, but Klopp also comes across as massive prick a-lot of the time. I think you guys are so in the 'Klopp bubble' that you are all totally blinded to it.
As for the rest, in this day and age unfortunately it's all about silverware v money spent and right now, Klopp needs to start winning things. Again, Livepool fans are so immersed in the 'Klopp bubble' that all you guys can do is view him in this weird romantic notion, despite him being there 3 seasons and losing 3 finals. It's all very weird.
Nah, I don't think I'm blinded by anything in this case (just read my tagline). He can be a prick of course, and he's an incredibly sore loser but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing (Guardiola is exactly the same), but in general he's friendly, outspoken, funny sometimes, just likeable to a lot of people, especially Liverpool fans of course.
So I certainly don't view him a romantic notion or anything, I'm just being realistic - there's no better option for us out there and we're doing well currently, so why even entertain the idea of looking for another manager? I know some fans are all about silverware, maybe especially true for United fans who haven't know differently for the past decades, but nothing is a given, certainly not with this City team dominating on domestic level. I don't think I'll ever "expect" a trophy from Liverpool or its manager, although realistically you can expect us to at least give it a shot and compete this season, and that's currently what we're doing.
I honestly don't know if he is doing a particularly great job. All I know is the job he is doing is massively overstated and the English media love to wank all over him.
But yet, Klopp is the messiah while Mourinho is washed up. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Mourinho is the right fit for us, but he's been more successful than Klopp who is constantly lauded as some genius.
But, Mourinho is washed up!
Maybe it boils down to the idea that (to the neutral supporter and to the press) Klopp is relatively amenable, while Mourinho's an epic bell to most supporters (including Utd ones, seemingly!) and he's lost control of the narrative with the press.
To judge the jobs they are doing is wholly subjective, though. You could spin it either way, depending on your preference. For me, I'm comfortable with the job Klopp is doing (big few weeks coming up, mind) and would prefer him over Mourinho all day.
That said, things are picking up for Mourinho. Closing in on the top four and an excellent result last night. So, who knows.
You don't know how good a job he's doing but the job he's doing is overstated? Kind of contradictory.
Klopp has turned us into a consistent top four side. That's an improvement. He's taken us to a CL and EL final. That's an improvement. He is wasting less money of tripe. That's an improvement.
I have no idea if oppo fans rate the job he is doing, but I rate it highly. He is doing better than fellow managers on a smaller budget (you're gonna bring up one summer out of ten, aren't you?!). I hope he sticks around for a long time.
Of course you could which is why it's hilarious Klopp is hailed as the messiah because he's 'rock and roll' and hip, whereas Mourinho is chastised despite Mourinho actually being more successful during both their tenures at both clubs. At the end of the day, Klopp avoids criticism to a laughable extent and Liverpool supporters have really bought into the 'Klopp cult'. Each to their own of course but if he ends this season with no silverware, I really don't think he's doing all that great of a job.
But, Mourinho is washed up!
Maybe it boils down to the idea that (to the neutral supporter and to the press) Klopp is relatively amenable, while Mourinho's an epic bell to most supporters (including Utd ones, seemingly!) and he's lost control of the narrative with the press.
To judge the jobs they are doing is wholly subjective, though. You could spin it either way, depending on your preference. For me, I'm comfortable with the job Klopp is doing (big few weeks coming up, mind) and would prefer him over Mourinho all day.
That said, things are picking up for Mourinho. Closing in on the top four and an excellent result last night. So, who knows.
Ask yourself this: at the time of his appointment, did you expect him to get us to a CL and EL final within less than three full seasons? I bet you didn't, so it's unreasonable to consider him a failure right now because he hasn't won us a trophy (not saying you are, mind)..Each to their own of course but if he ends this season with no silverware, I really don't think he's doing all that great of a job.
Ask yourself this: at the time of his appointment, did you expect him to get us to a CL and EL final within less than three full seasons? I bet you didn't, so it's unreasonable to consider him a failure right now because he hasn't won us a trophy (not saying you are, mind)..
I'm actually quite opposed to trophies as the decisive criterium to analyse a manager's influence and impact on the team (and club as a whole). One mere League Cup wouldn't have changed the narrative or perspective regarding this Liverpool squad, even an FA Cup barely would. We need to win the CL or the PL. If he had won the League Cup final against City, it's not like it would make a difference (at least to me) in the grand scheme of things.
Karius would've still had his butter hands in the CL final. If you're good enough, you're good enough. Having a winner's mentality certainly helps but disagree that it plays a major factor. We could've beaten Real on another day if fortune went our way, i.e. Karius was just decent and Salah didn't get injured. That's regardless of any League Cup success beforehand.I think you're severely underestimating the mental impact that winning even a minor competition like the League Cup has on a team. Your players have absolutely zero experience of getting over the line, and that experience is vital when it comes to winning the CL and PL.
Which managers are actually expected to win anything then? It seems these days only Pep and Jose are expected to win anything the rest all have endless excuses
Ask yourself this: at the time of his appointment, did you expect him to get us to a CL and EL final within less than three full seasons? I bet you didn't, so it's unreasonable to consider him a failure right now because he hasn't won us a trophy (not saying you are, mind)..
As I said multiple times on here: if we end up with 85+ points this season and still don't win the PL, then fair enough. He put us in the position to win it and we competed, not our fault that City is on another level. To consider our season a failure in that case just because we didn't win it isn't right imo.
I'm actually quite opposed to trophies as the decisive criterium to analyse a manager's influence and impact on the team (and club as a whole). One mere League Cup wouldn't have changed the narrative or perspective regarding this Liverpool squad, even an FA Cup barely would. We need to win the CL or the PL. If he had won the League Cup final against City, it's not like it would make a difference (at least to me) in the grand scheme of things.
How much would he have spent by then? 1b?If Klopp still hasn't won anything by May 2020, then I'll begin to see what some see regarding trophies.
How much would he have spent by then? 1b?
No problem mate, he's a top manager until he has not won a trophy in 8 years . Conveniently he won't be Liverpool manager anymore so they'll have someone else to declare as their saviour.