We all know that was a one off once Suarez took off.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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We all know that was a one off once Suarez took off.
Agree with pretty much everything there, to be fair.
Financially it more or less has been. We aren't spending money we don't have. We've reinvested money through player sales and money saved up through previous years/Tv deal/CL money.
I really don't understand why this is so hard for many people to grasp. Personally I don't give a feck about it either way I've waited ages for this moment to come around and we've added some real quality to the squad.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, nobody wants to win the net spend trophy. I want trophies, it's been way too long. But we've slowly built up to this moment, it'll be disappointing if we don't challenge but we were a mid table side for years till Klopp put this squad together. Nobody is going to demand his head if we finish 4th as disappointing that would be.
Why would they?? We play some of the best football in Europe when we're on it. Hopefully we'll keep building and the next few years will bring trophies and success.
Suarez was a major reason for the success that season but he wasn’t alone: Sturridge was banging them in also, whilst Sterling and Coutinho revelled in the roles Rodgers’ system created for them. Gerrard was having a good ‘swansong’ season too (he wasn’t as effective the following season and was being phased out of the team).
Absolutely. And Rodgers deserves credit for getting the most out of them. But it was a stars-aligning season - Not a marker for where we really were as a team in a longer term context. At least not once Suarez left.
Sturridge being crippled was the real killer. If he'd have stayed fit Rodgers might still be in a job.
I don't necessarily mean in terms of his job security, because I think he's safe as long as he's in and around the top 4, but as a key moment in this project he's at the helm of, this strikes me as a real do or die stage.
You've invested heavily, you're off the back of one of your best seasons in a while. The fans are content that you are now back as one of the top 4 clubs, and CL qualification is now a bare minimum expectation. United haven't invested as well as expected, Spurs haven't invested at all, and Arsenal and Chelsea are both in recovery mode. Your best players seem content, and you've brought in some real quality to join them (although absolutely not on a shoestring budget). You have the second most expensive keeper ever, the most expensive defender ever, and hundreds of millions of pounds of investment in your midfield and attack. You have an incredibly expensive squad, regardless of how you got the money to assemble it.
You want to show signs of progress, yes? Then progress is obviously progressing from that team that finds themselves still battling for 4th on the final day, to a team in contention for (not necessarily winning) the title, and with your new found depth, showing some signs of actually attempting to win one of the domestic cups, alongside another decent showing in the CL (quarter finals onwards).
If Liverpool yet again have disappointing exits in the domestic cups, fail to replicate last season's feats in Europe, and yet again find themselves in a dogfight for 4th rather than within a sniff of the title, when it seems clear as day to me that the only real obstruction (and it pains me to say this) appears to be City, then everything might not be quite as rosy. You're suddenly looking at your best players flirting with moves to Barcelona, Madrid, Juventus, even City. You're looking at your fairly secure position as a top 4 team being threatened by improving Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal sides. You're looking (I hope) at United finding their feet alongside City at the top of the pile.
Before you know it you're going into next season after yet another trophyless season, desperate to find a use for the extra couple of hundred million in your transfer budget after accepting the departures of a couple of your best players, looking over your shoulders at three improving clubs, with one or two strong teams ahead of you.
Mount a title challenge while performing well in the other competitions and you greatly improve your chances of avoiding all of this, as well as providing yourself a strong platform to push on to that final level; actually winning things.
Right, here we are. Arsenal and Chelsea new managers and no real remarkable signings, Spurs no investment, United missing out on key targets, all while you strengthen throughout your squad. This is a stars aligning season, except you've got the platform to maintain it, not slip back down again because your one world class player who tried to leave one summer still had itchy feet the next. I hope to god you feck things up and United are actually stronger than I think, but I don't think you can guarantee yourselves this opportunity again.
Good post although I don't agree entirely with it. I don't think it's 1 year so much as 2 or 3 providing we add some attacking depth. Contingent on our best players staying and that'll only happen if we win trophies.
I agree that there's a chance you might still be in a similar position next summer, or even the summer after, but my point is that you are in this position now, and have no way of guaranteeing the status quo into next season. Mess it up this time and that could well be it for the foreseeable future.
I more or less agree. We can handle a "merely top four season and out of the cups" season, but klopp will be going into the next season under pressure to deliver something tangible.
I don't expect titles per se, but I do expect enough improvement that we can say we had a good go at the league title. And it is probably a fair point that longterm this will probably also define our platform for challenging in the seasons to come.
A lot of the stars are aligning. We just need that big fat spot blotting out the sun to drop as well, in the shape of the most comprehensive title winners ever managed by the most successful serial winning league manager in the past 10 years. The annoying thing that them dropping a level, say to 92-93 points (7-8 points is distinct drop l'd say), still puts them as overwhelming favourites to win it again.
If we finish in the high 80s, I'd call it a 'performance target achieved, but goal not reached' season.
City are a huge hurdle for anyone unless their performance suffers a huge drop off (the only hope of which I think would be a real switch in focus to winning the CL). If they were to get around 90-95 points, I think remaining within 6-9 points going into the month or two would probably constitute a good attempt at challenging, for both United and Liverpool.
I don't think anyone apart from City can have an expectation to win the league this season, but Untied and Liverpool are the two teams best positioned to close the gap this year.
Good post and I mostly agree. To end up next May with no trophies, an early exit in CL and a battle for fourth would be immensely disappointing. I can't say I expect us to catch City as they could basically field two teams capable of competing for the title. But a domestic title, a good run in the CL and 3 or 2nd would account for a fine season, imo.
As for the bolded part, that is a fear we Liverpool fans have learned to live with. Of course there's a chance we end up in May with no trophy, 4th, no CL glory and Mane and Salah looking elsewhere, but I somehow feel like that tendency is changing. With our team looking better than ever, new contracts for our entire front three and a manager who seems to be liked be everyone and a playing style any player must enjoy.
I'll believe it when Mane signs his (which basically means Mane, Salah, Firmino, Keita, VVD and Allison all tied to longterm contracts within less than a year). But even then, I think much will depend on how our prospects look at the end of the season. I reckon our CL run will have done wonders for players' belief in our project. Need to back it up this season as well.
I fully understand your optimism, but you had new contracts, a popular manager and an enjoyable playing style when Suarez and Coutinho left too. From the perspective of this though, you aren't going to progress if you're constantly in a cycle of trying to replace your best players, so regardless of them staying because of their contracts, or staying because you've challenged for the league, the key thing is that they stay.
Oh, I thought Mane had signed too. Do you know how long he's got on his current contract?
And yes, this season is pivotal in that our important players need to see that we can build on a great last season.
Indeed, and for us to convince them to, we need to show we mean business this season. I struggle to imagine us beating City to the title, but less will do too.
I don't think anyone's pinning their hopes on beating City to the title. Getting close would be an achievement unless they have a severe drop off from last season.
After the game, not three months later and with the next season already under way. The fact that Klopp can't let this go speaks volumes about his mindset and how the lost finals weigh on him. He is scared out of his mind he may never get the chance again and will go down in history as what he is today: A LOSER.
A LOSER who has won multiple trophies while spending the square total of feck all at Dortmund.
Also, Ramos is a cheating ****, and if that happened to Pogba in a CL final, you'd feel the same way.
Lastly, https://www.soccerladuma.co.za/news...mourinho-still-haunted-by-ghost-goal-1/198497
10 years on, still implying it wasn't a goal. Is he a loser, too?
@theriddler is rattled.
I didn't say 5 times though.
Why do so many on this forum love the scouse ?
They won't unless they start playing worse. The question is, at what point do their best players get tempted away?
They don't, they're just being objective.
A LOSER who has won zero trophies while spending the square total of £380 million at Liverpool.
Of which £170M worth of players have played the sum total of 1 match or 0 matches in 1 instance...
You had a dig about how many European Cups we've won and someone had a dig back at how many titles you've won.
Think that's fair enough.
Salah was just as good last season as Suarez was in 2014. It's possible Klopp benefited from a freak season and maybe takes off after this season though I think Liverpool may be able to keep stars more nowadays.
He might be a cheeky git but when you're right, you're right.£175 million actually but let's not quibble of minor details.
In summary: £380 million spent. Zero trophies accumulated. One public masturbation charge.
Genius.
This word should be banned from here, and everywhere else for that matter.
Why lid ?
It’d be more beneficial if I just banned those that used it I suppose.
Good point. At least the Nevilles can still use all their fingers to show how many European cups you have won.
I bet you're the sort of bitter Liverpool fan who used to regularly boast about winning 18 titles aren't you?
Don't do that so much anymore do you ?
I bet you're the sort of bitter Liverpool fan who used to regularly boast about winning 18 titles aren't you?
Don't do that so much anymore do you ?
In no aspect of my Iam bitter . You orrible dirty Manc.
I bet you're the sort of bitter Liverpool fan who used to regularly boast about winning 18 titles aren't you?
Don't do that so much anymore do you ?
They do it all the time, just to Everton fans now though and probably Ronaldo aswell.
This might just be their year.
So it definitely isn’t then?