There are always excuses for Klopp. We’ll get more next season.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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There are always excuses for Klopp. We’ll get more next season.
That's on you — the money had been paid, right? One of the strangest deals ever to be honest, can't remember anything like it with such big money transfers.
So the wages and add-ons only get included for United players I'm guessing?
Since when do wages get included in the transfer fee?
Since the tabloid press started doing it.Since when do wages get included in the transfer fee?
I think that was the point, that it shouldn't be but we see it all the time when the press are talking about aunited transfers.Since when do wages get included in the transfer fee?
With Klopp, I think he has overachieved this year with the CL final. But given the 3 finals, nearly 3 full seasons in the PL, and overall resources at hand it would be fair to say he's underachieved by not winning anything.
Since when do wages get included in the transfer fee?
It was a joke based on this strange phenomena that has arised in recent times. For some reason when there is a big transfer for United things other than the transfer fee are reported and included. It happened with Martial being reported as a £59m transfer despite his transfer fee being £37m. They combined his transfer fee with his add ons to get the £59m figure.
The same happened with Lukaku who was reported as 'costing' us £90m despite having a £75m fee. The response to Sanchez was hysterical from the press who added up his wage, image rights and bonuses for his whole 5 year contract and reported this as what the transfer was.
It'll be a poetic justice id mourinho is sacked and managed liverpool while we get klopp.
His big money buys have been spot on so far tbf.
Klopp really needs to win something next season. Bigtime. Even a domestic cup would be something, this habit of folding in cup finals needs to be broken....let's hope he doesn't, though.
That's bollocks, Ranieri has nearly relegated Leicester City, if they keep him until Lecister City get relegated officially, they would lose 100+m from EPL TV money. Chelsea did same thing. in the end, every club is business, it need money to survive. I would understand if you use Mancini as an example.
You mean more mental. He looks like a crazy guy bouncing down the line as it is. Eg his reaction to Reals disallowed offside goal. Sorry can’t post clip.
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He is obviously avoiding success lest he turn his “proper club” into a “Disney world”
Stay true.
A bit like us you mean?
And how exactly did they flop - they got to the Champions League final ffs
Finished lower than last season and won nothing (again)
And lost the final, also finished below us and 25 points below city. Didn't even do well in domestic cups either.
That’s why, i asked how long can Liverpool carry on with klopp if there is no success
As we've seen with Arsenal, if he can continue to qualify for the CL, from a business standpoint they'll be doing well enough for his job to be safe. Throw in the occasional cup run, possibly even a league challenge akin to 2008/09 and 2013/14 and he'll be grand, even if they never win anything under him.
The problem is (and this counts for United too) that the current PL climate makes it much more difficult to guarantee yourself CL qualification without mounting a proper title challenge. United, ultimately, finished quite comfortably in second, but we were still quite late in the season and the question about our top 4 status was still being asked even though we'd sat 2nd for months.
Should Klopp miss out on CL qualification, and still not have won anything, then he's in danger. Until then, he'll probably be alright even with the growing amount of dust in Liverpool's trophy cabinet.
As long as Klopp get them top 4 regularly, they don't care. Liverpool just doesn't have DNA in winning trophies anymore. Passion, progressive and playing amazing football, all they can do, worldwide probably will not remember how beautiful football Liverpool has played before in decades while us, Chelsea and City winning trophies that'll be remembered by fans.
But their fans expect it. And for me I don’t think they will accept say, going to another three finals in the next three years and not end up winning it.
Klopp'll just go out on the piss afterwards, get thousands of likes on Twitter, and all will be forgotten.
Cup finals are a bit of a lottery.. Obviously he's lost a lot of them now, but you've got to get there and the fact that he has consistently surely counts for a something.. Keep getting there and he will win something eventually - it's not like he's losing them due to an inherent flaw.
I think, as long as they keep progressing, Liverpool will stick with him for a fair while yet.. And rightly so - they've become a team we're talking about again. I think if you're competing, it's acceptable now. Same for us. There are 5 very good teams in England right now - winning is difficult.
I think, as long as they keep progressing, Liverpool will stick with him for a fair while yet.. And rightly so - they've become a team we're talking about again. I think if you're competing, it's acceptable now. Same for us. There are 5 very good teams in England right now - winning is difficult.
Well, actually...
First final, against Bayern, won 5-2. 3-1 up by half-time, 4-1 up by the hour.
Second final, against Bayern, lost 2-1. 0-0 at half-time, 1-0 down on 60 minutes, 1-1 by the 70th minute, 2-1 down at full-time.
Third final, against Bayern, lost 2-0. 0-0 at full-time, conceded 2 in extra time.
Fourth final, against Wolfsburg, lost 3-1. 1-0 up after five minutes, 3-1 down by half-time.
Fifth final, against City, drew 1-1, lost on penalties. 0-0 at half-time, 1-0 down by the 50th minute, 1-1 at full-time, lost on penalties.
Sixth final, against Sevilla, lost 3-1. 1-0 up by half-time, 1-1 a minute into the second half, 3-1 down by the 70th minute.
Seventh final, against Real Madrid, lost 3-1. 0-0 at half-time, 1-0 down on 50 minutes, 1-1 on 55 minutes, 2-1 down on 65 minutes, 3-1 at full-time.
At half-time in cup finals, Klopp's teams are up 5-4. At full-time after extra-time, they're down 16-10. Twice his sides have taken the lead in finals, only to go on and concede 3 and lose. Three times, his sides have leveled from behind, only to go on and lose.
Without spending ages going through all of the results, there definitely seems to be a distinct pattern of Klopp's teams, particularly his Liverpool side, conceding goals in the latter stages of games, without scoring more in the same period to counteract that, and it's something that has proven to be true in 6 straight cup finals now.
Assessing Liverpool and Klopp is really difficult. They seem to do a lot of things right and look to take off, and then.....nothing.
They’re a bit like Leeds in the late 60s.
The opposite, for me, was Chelsea who came in with money early to mid 2000s and did everything right. I know people will say well, they had a lot of money, but as we are now proving, you need more than money.
Let’s hope Liverpool stay “Leeds” and not become “Chelsea”.
They’re a bit like Leeds in the late 60s.
The opposite, for me, was Chelsea who came in with money early to mid 2000s and did everything right. I know people will say well, they had a lot of money, but as we are now proving, you need more than money.
Let’s hope Liverpool stay “Leeds” and not become “Chelsea”.
Saw this posted on facebook too - all the Liverpool fans were delighted with it. I'd be cringing myself. He just lost the Champions League final.
In fairness that Leeds team actually won a few titles and cups, Klopp and Liverpool have won nothing, though there's no guarantee that it'll stay that way. (Hopefully it does)
Theres no cringe left in my body after our last three managers. I applaud Klopp for coming this far with that crappy bunch of players + two good ones. Great manager in my book.
I didn’t realise that went back to his Dortmund days. Definitely a flaw he needs to work on. Surely he’s realised that his sides consistently get knackered and switch off at the end of games?
From Hong Kong to Kiev:
At the end of the storm,
there's a golden sky...
The inside story of how Jurgen Klopp
weathered the worst to lead Liverpool
into the Champions League final
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/the-ins...iverpool-to-the-champions-league-final-178445
Interesting article (written before the final obvi) about everybody's favorite manager in here.
At the end of the storm,
there's a golden sky...
The inside story of how Jurgen Klopp
weathered the worst to lead Liverpool
into the Champions League final
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/the-ins...iverpool-to-the-champions-league-final-178445
Interesting article (written before the final obvi) about everybody's favorite manager in here.
When are they releasing the book?
I thought it would be something like "you'll never walk alone past Ramos"
Why, when it comes to Liverpool FC, does the very basic stuff of pre-season tours & European tournaments - travelling - get cast as epic journeys in the quest for the Holy Golden Fleece of Destiny? Ffs...
I remember watching the CL final against Bayern and thinking they looked completely gassed and waiting for him to change it up, and he just didn't.
Who knew the bum rush pressing would make players tired and top teams would capitalise in the final 30 minutes of games?
Nope, he was the underdog so he didn't have a chance in any of those games. So basically Klopp sits in this convenient middle ground where he elevates players but doesn't elevate them enough to win unless he's the favourite. So whats the point of him?